April 9, 1865 Lee Surrenders to Grant

[gipper]

The entire history of slavery is one of bloodshed. That is partly why it was ended. It also doesn't work in a capitalist system, and that aided its demise. There was further bloodshed in many places involved with terminating this horrible error. France, for example, ended slavery as a result of a bloody resolution only to re-instate it and have further bloodshed around the institution (remember Haiti?) and its end.
If we wish to ignore that attempting to abrogate the sworn obligation to Perpetual Union through violent rebellion took place, then we could blame the war on anything else. That treason did, however, take place and it necessitated all the violence that resulted. All guilt is on the perpetrators of that betrayal.

Where is this sworn obligation to Perpetual Union, other than Lincoln’s demented brain?

 

[there4eyeM]

Where is this sworn obligation to Perpetual Union, other than Lincoln’s demented brain?

It is in the founding documents of the nation. They are in English, so many people may not understand.

 

[gipper]

It is in the founding documents of the nation. They are in English, so many people may not understand.

No. All thought secession was legal including Jefferson and Madison. No one but Lincoln and fellow authoritarians believed in a perpetual union.

No state would have ratified the Constitution, if they couldn’t leave it.

 

[gipper]

No wonder you guys admire Z so much. He has shut down the media, conscripted all males, imposed martial law etc…just like your beloved Lincoln.

 

[rightwinger]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. The south never refused to abandon slavery. They were never asked to. Lincoln wanted them to have it for eternity. However he did say pay the tax or die and they refused. So, he killed them.

Now you are just talking Goofy
I ain’t playing

 

[gipper]

Now you are just talking Goofy
I ain’t playing

See? I know so little that the truth is unknown and unacceptable to you.

 

[rightwinger]

See? I know so little that the truth is unknown and unacceptable to you.

Not engaging in your twisted view of history

 

[gipper]

Not engaging in your twisted view of history

And yet all you have to do is read Lincoln’s own words. Is that too hard for you?

 

[there4eyeM]

No. All thought secession was legal including Jefferson and Madison. No one but Lincoln and fellow authoritarians believed in a perpetual union.

No state would have ratified the Constitution, if they couldn’t leave it.

As stated, one must understand English. The U.S. was definitely founded as permanent and the very words "Perpetual Union" were used. When the succeeding, current Constitution was written it clearly stated that it was in order to make that Union more perfect. While this seems also to escape the notice of other secessionist apologists, it doesn't change the facts. It is not that leaving was expressly forbidden, it was that leaving was so out of the question that it was not addressed. The only legal separation would have been by getting the other states to agree to change the Constitution. The 'south' realized this would never happen and took extra-Constitutional steps that led to the war.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Sherman understood the horrors of war. As a matter of fact he viewed himself as God's "terrible swift sword". How many people burned to death in Atlanta when he ordered his arsonist troops to torch the city? We don't know because the history books don't dwell on the subject. General David "Black Dave" Hunter was another war criminal who pillaged and raped and murdered his way down the Shenandoah Valley during the Civil War on orders from the drunken commanding general.

You’re incredibly moronic and obviously a byproduct of some university with your out of touch fictional history.
No one ever documented how many or even about civilian deaths in Atlanta because it never happened. Hunters raid was 100% focused on destruction of infrastructure with not one report of a rape or murder of one civilian.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And yet all you have to do is read Lincoln’s own words. Is that too hard for you?

Name one person the entire world who didn’t think the same as Lincoln in 1858.
None.
You idiots try to inject current society norms into the past to make you feel superior and high and mighty.

Well guess what. In a hundred years your kind of ilk will look back at you and your animal eating, fossil fuel using you and paint you as a horrific example of a human being.

Bottom line is Lincoln always opposed slavery and gave his life ending it in America.

Today there’s more slaves in the world than at any time in human history. So why do you support politicians who play nice with those nations?

You’re more pathetic than Lincoln ever was is the answer.

 

[gipper]

Name one person the entire world who didn’t think the same as Lincoln in 1858.
None.
You idiots try to inject current society norms into the past to make you feel superior and high and mighty.

Well guess what. In a hundred years your kind of ilk will look back at you and your animal eating, fossil fuel using you and paint you as a horrific example of a human being.

Bottom line is Lincoln always opposed slavery and gave his life ending it in America.

Today there’s more slaves in the world than at any time in human history. So why do you support politicians who play nice with those nations?

You’re more pathetic than Lincoln ever was is the answer.

No. Lincoln was an embarrassing racist even for his time. Read up.

You have to understand that dishonest Abe was one of the most corrupt corporatist politicians even to stain our nation. He was also an ignorant MFer.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No. Lincoln was an embarrassing racist even for his time. Read up.

You have to understand that dishonest Abe was one of the most corrupt corporatist politicians even to stain our nation. He was also an ignorant MFer.

There’s a reason you can’t name one person who didn’t harbor the same thoughts. Because there was no one.
Again, it’s unethical to apply one time periods morality to another.

 

[gipper]

There’s a reason you can’t name one person who didn’t harbor the same thoughts. Because there was no one.
Again, it’s unethical to apply one time periods morality to another.

Oh brother. Nearly everyone in the nation in 1860 wasn’t as racist as Abe. Trying to claim everybody does it, is weak and uninformed.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Oh brother. Nearly everyone in the nation in 1860 wasn’t as racist as Abe. Trying to claim everybody does it, is weak and uninformed.

Democrats today think blacks are not equal to whites. Everything you do you’re treating them as inferior.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Democrats today think blacks are not equal to whites. Everything you do you’re treating them as inferior.

Sorry can't hear you over the sound of the new Democratically confirmed Supreme Court Justice.

 

[gipper]

Democrats today think blacks are not equal to whites. Everything you do you’re treating them as inferior.

What? Stick to the topic duopoly boy.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Sorry can't hear you over the sound of the new Democratically confirmed Supreme Court Justice.

Picking someone based upon their skin color because they can’t stand on their own merit validates my point, shitforbrains.

 

[Weatherman2020]

What? Stick to the topic duopoly boy.

You’re the one applying labels to other cultures of a people who died 150 years ago. And you get pissed at your racist party of 2020. Simply hilarious.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Oh brother. Nearly everyone in the nation in 1860 wasn’t as racist as Abe. Trying to claim everybody does it, is weak and uninformed.

Wow! You still can’t name anyone!
How’d I know!