April 9, 1865 Lee Surrenders to Grant

[Zincwarrior]

Dumbest potus speech EVER. He's killing and destroying half the nation, yet speaks of liberty, freedom, and government of by for the people. Lmfao!

Secess would say that I guess.

To everyone else it rings of the sacrifice of good men for those ideals.

 

[gipper]

Secess would say that I guess.

To everyone else it rings of the sacrifice of good men for those ideals.

Lol. That’s dumb. The Union soldier was fighting to prevent freedom, not save it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Lol. That’s dumb. The Union soldier was fighting to prevent freedom, not save it.

They were fighting to keep the Union together. The South was fighting so that the top 1% (wealthy plantation owners) could keep their labor prices down by using slaves, whipping, raping, and killing them as they felt like.

 

[gipper]

They were fighting to keep the Union together. The South was fighting so that the top 1% (wealthy plantation owners) could keep their labor prices down by using slaves, whipping, raping, and killing them as they felt like.

And by fighting to keep the Union together they were destroying the liberty and freedom of southerns.

The southern soldier was fighting for freedom and self determination, and to protect their homeland from invaders.

The vast majority of southerns didn’t own slaves.

 

[Zincwarrior]

And by fighting to keep the Union together they were destroying the liberty and freedom of southerns.

The southern soldier was fighting for freedom and self determination, and to protect their homeland from invaders.

The vast majority of southerns didn’t own slaves.

Southerns? Are you a US citizen?

What liberty and freedom were the "Southerns" losing? (well excluding the 5mm slaves of course which you appear to be wearing blinders to.

 

[gipper]

Southerns? Are you a US citizen?

What liberty and freedom were the "Southerns" losing? (well excluding the 5mm slaves of course which you appear to be wearing blinders to.

You are a bit slow. When Lincoln attacked the South, what do you think happened to southerns?

When you lose your life or livelihood caused by an invading army, is that a loss of freedom?

 

[there4eyeM]

Native English speakers of good education where the crafters and signers of the papers that formed America. Perpetual Union is most definitely and clearly stated. Suggesting they did not know what that meant is to reject all they did.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You are a bit slow. When Lincoln attacked the South, what do you think happened to southerns?

Lincoln didn't attack the south. Terrorist militias attacked Fort Sumter. The United States then responded to eliminate the terrorist groups and their shadow governments.

Interesting that you did not answer. Are you a US citizen?

 

[gipper]

Native English speakers of good education where the crafters and signers of the papers that formed America. Perpetual Union is most definitely and clearly stated. Suggesting they did not know what that meant is to reject all they did.

Link it.

 

[gipper]

Lincoln didn't attack the south. Terrorist militias attacked Fort Sumter. The United States then responded to eliminate the terrorist groups and their shadow governments.

Interesting that you did not answer. Are you a US citizen?

Lol. That’s absurd. Get informed.

 

[there4eyeM]

Link it.

If you aren't kidding, you're the only one who doesn't know it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Lol. That’s absurd. Get informed.

Sigh.

1. Are you now arguing the CSA didn't fire on Fort Sumter?
2. Are you a US citizen? If so, what state did you live where you skipped US history?

 

[Correll]

READ

And then, only if you are a "made" man. Associate criminals, are free to leave if they wish.

 

[Unkotare]

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[gipper]

The confederacy had every intention to become an expansionist power and a net exporter of slaves all for the purpose to preserving the institution. They desired above all else a place to ship their excess slaves as they had depleted much of their soil. They had plans to make slavery last forever. It's debatable if it would been stable but If the Confederacy was allowed to exist they would have invaded Mexico and southward in fairly short order.

Check it out. This column in the MSM and posted on Drudge today. The truth about Dishonest Abe is slowly coming out. He wanted to deport all blacks. I’ve stated this for years on this board.

Abraham Lincoln’s disastrous effort to get Black people to leave the U.S.​

But Page takes a contrarian view. His research unearthed records of colonization schemes into 1864 that Lincoln “did not publicize rather deliberately and that historians have overlooked,” Page said, undermining the notion that the president’s support was primarily a public act for racist White audiences.

Taken together, he believes the plans “completely sink the idea that colonization was anything other than sincere and lifelong for Abraham Lincoln.”

‘The superior position’​

From the beginning of his political career in the Illinois legislature in the 1830s and 1840s, Lincoln publicly opposed the enslavement of African Americans. In 1837, he co-signed a protest to state resolutions against abolition, declaring that the “Institution of Slavery is founded both in Injustice and bad policy.”

Lincoln was not then an abolitionist, deferring to the states to decide whether to eradicate slavery. And like almost all European Americans at the time, the president viewed Whites as superior.

“There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality,” he said in 1858 in one of the famous debates with Stephen Douglas as he unsuccessfully vied for a U.S. Senate seat. “And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Abraham Lincoln’s disastrous effort to get Black people to leave the U.S.

 

[rightwinger]

Check it out. This column in the MSM and posted on Drudge today. The truth about Dishonest Abe is slowly coming out. He wanted to deport all blacks. I’ve stated this for years in this board.

Abraham Lincoln’s disastrous effort to get Black people to leave the U.S.​

But Page takes a contrarian view. His research unearthed records of colonization schemes into 1864 that Lincoln “did not publicize rather deliberately and that historians have overlooked,” Page said, undermining the notion that the president’s support was primarily a public act for racist White audiences.

Taken together, he believes the plans “completely sink the idea that colonization was anything other than sincere and lifelong for Abraham Lincoln.”

‘The superior position’​

From the beginning of his political career in the Illinois legislature in the 1830s and 1840s, Lincoln publicly opposed the enslavement of African Americans. In 1837, he co-signed a protest to state resolutions against abolition, declaring that the “Institution of Slavery is founded both in Injustice and bad policy.”

Lincoln was not then an abolitionist, deferring to the states to decide whether to eradicate slavery. And like almost all European Americans at the time, the president viewed Whites as superior.

“There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality,” he said in 1858 in one of the famous debates with Stephen Douglas as he unsuccessfully vied for a U.S. Senate seat. “And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Abraham Lincoln’s disastrous effort to get Black people to leave the U.S.

It was a common theory of the day
Never went anywhere

 

[gipper]

It was a common theory of the day
Never went anywhere

I’ve told you this for a decade. You always disputed it and still don’t know it’s factual.

 

[rightwinger]

I’ve told you this for a decade. You always disputed it and still don’t know it’s factual.

Lincoln, like many others of his day, considered sending slaves back to Africa
They found the concept impractical

 

[Leo123]

Sadly, I don’t think slavery was going to end without a fight

Democrats rarely give up their bad shit without a fight.