AOC Is A Communist

[Red Front]

that may happen but it hasn't yet and won't be soon... socialism, I E Democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net is The best we will do till then... Now if we can get the corrupt GOP to stop having a corrupt bubble and bust and World Depression every other time they get in....

that may happen but it hasn't yet and won't be soon.

If capitalism doesn't destroy us first, by starting WW3, as it is doing now in Ukraine in pursuit of its profits, by selling over a hundred billion dollars in weapons to the US government and the EU, then it will happen. It's not maybe. The US fell into a deep depression in the 1930s for having just 23% unemployment and advanced automation and AI, is estimated by expert economists to take at least 60% of menial jobs and now estimates are about the same if not more for white-collar professions. Everything from paralegals to specialists who detect cancer in CT Scans will be out of a job.

My brother sells insurance to truck drivers, and he goes to the truck driver business conventions. In the last one he attended, the industry is now preparing to purchase self-driving, fully automated 18-wheelers. Conveys of 20, 30 self-driving 18-wheelers are now entering the market. That's a loss of at least five million jobs in the United States alone.

If capitalism doesn't destroy everything, It's not "maybe" or in the far future, when society will be forced to adopt socialism and later high-communism, it's within 20 years, 30 years tops. At this current rate of technological development, with artificial intelligence and robotics, I wouldn't be surprised if it's as soon as just a decade from now, in the 2030s.


.. socialism, I E Democratic fair capitalism

There is no such thing as fair capitalism comrade. Even if production is in the hands of democratically run labor cooperatives, the people will still face the chaos of markets and the inevitable cronyism. Corruption as a result of cooperatives competing with each other in the marketplace where still lead to the government passing laws in favor of some cooperatives at the expense of others and the public at large. Markets and money are superfluous, and inefficient once advanced automation is available.

What we need is rational central planning of the economy by a democratic federal, government in close collaboration with independent factories, managed by local municipalities (local governments under the authority of worker-run councils). This is true democracy, not capitalist production with its pursuit of profits at all costs. Non-profit, socialist production is not what you're saying.

with a good safety net is The best we will do till then...

You obviously have some type of financial capitalist interest in keeping it alive, hence your weird interpretation of socialism. Are you a capitalist?

Now if we can get the corrupt GOP to stop having a corrupt bubble and bust and World Depression every other time they get in....

The booms and busts are endemic to capitalism. That's how markets work. Boom and bust, and then socialism saves the day like Superman, with public funds:

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That's not socialism. Socialism isn't just a social safety net and labor unions, it's the proletarian ownership of the means of production. It's the dictatorship of the proletariat (a worker's democracy). That's true socialism. What you are referring to is simply a mixed economy, with some socialist principles and perhaps even parties in government that call themselves "socialist" but they really aren't, because they continue allowing capitalists to run the show. They become tools of capitalism. A means to maintain the capitalist system, rather than fully transitioning to socialism. In a way these types of "socialists" are the worst enemies of socialism. They only go "half-ass", hurting and confusing everyone.

Germany is supposedly socialist now, under its socialist party and so is Spain, but they are pumping Ukraine with weapons, because weapons manufacturers are pushing their cronies in government to buy more weapons. The Russo-Ukrainian war has made tens of billions of dollars for Europe's defense industry. That's capitalism. I mention Europe because I remember you told me you lived in Spain. Here in the US we have the same situation. The MIC i.e. Military-Industrial Complex, is pushing American politicians to flood Ukraine with American weapons. Same shit. We're on the brink of destroying all life on this planet, in the pursuit of capitalist profits. True socialists, HATE CAPITALISM. We hate it. It will destroy the world.

Why don't we adopt clean, safe nuclear energy? The fossil fuel industry lobbies the US government to continue subsidizing them to the tune of tens of billions yearly and investing in coal plants, rather than clean, safe, modern nuclear plants. Certain industries with a lot of power have their cronies in government, that push their agenda through congress or parliament, at the expense of the public good. Capitalism is garbage, it will destroy humanity if we don't adopt another system of production.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[Red Front]

Every fucking retarded communist revolution in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to fruition.
They HAD to eliminate the THINKING PEOPLE that KNEW that communism DOESN'T WORK!!!!
You constantly say that communism gives all the power to all the people, and that there will be no State in charge. Perhaps the most absurd and ideological nieve notion of utopia ever.
Look at all those fucking STUPID illustrations you plaster here, a load of pipe dream nonsense!!!!
You, and your dreams of communist utopia are PATHETIC!!!!

Every fucking retarded communist revolution in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to fruition.


You're confusing capitalism with communism. Read the history of capitalist colonialism and imperialism, it's killed a lot more people than communism.

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They HAD to eliminate the THINKING PEOPLE that KNEW that communism DOESN'T WORK!!!!


Actually plenty of thinking people became committed communists.



You constantly say that communism gives all the power to all the people, and that there will be no State in charge.

Yes, the people grant the state the mandate to govern and rationally plan the economy in collaboration with worker-run and managed factories. Right now under capitalism, you're living under a non-democratic capitalist-run plutocracy and spend most of your waking hours in an absolute dictatorship called the "workplace", where there are no elections. At least a democratic government holds elections, whereas a privately owned business enterprise doesn't. Privately owned, business corporations are the most destructive and oppressive tyrannies that exist today (especially the big multinational corporations that swallow up whole local economies and spread poverty in pursuit of profits).

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She works 60 hours weekly for a large multinational, that makes tens of billions of dollars in profits yearly, and yet she still has to be on food-stamps (public assistance) to get by. Look at her sitting there like a human robot. That's "capitalist freedom".


Perhaps the most absurd and ideological nieve notion of utopia ever.

Not "utopia", just better than what we have now and necessary, due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Communism is coming, so you might as well become a communist right now comrade.

Look at all those fucking STUPID illustrations you plaster here,

I believe they're awesome.

a load of pipe dream nonsense!!!!

You can be a bitter pessimist if you want, but I prefer optimism.

You, and your dreams of communist utopia are PATHETIC!!!!

A communist utopia is better than a capitalist dystopia.

 

[Dadoalex]

Clearly I was referring to the harrassment of the working class for exercising independence.

That is what socialism is about. Socialists world wide in the passty and present share one tyrait. They hate the poor and the working class and especially the wealthy

????

Are you kidding????

socialists "hate the poor?" "Hate the working class?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Were it not for Socialists you'd be working for whatever you could get till you drop dead with no retirement, no health care, and probably owing your masters everything you own at death.

You are
Lying, ignorant, or just plain stupid.

 

[Soupnazi630]

????

Are you kidding????

socialists "hate the poor?" "Hate the working class?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Were it not for Socialists you'd be working for whatever you could get till you drop dead with no retirement, no health care, and probably owing your masters everything you own at death.

You are
Lying, ignorant, or just plain stupid.

Wrong

Socialists have done nothing to heklp with retirement or health care escept make both worse.


People were able to get both without the help of socialists.

Socialists do nothing for the poor they care only about taking money from people who have it and destroying it

 

[francoHFW]

that may happen but it hasn't yet and won't be soon.

If capitalism doesn't destroy us first, by starting WW3, as it is doing now in Ukraine in pursuit of its profits, by selling over a hundred billion dollars in weapons to the US government and the EU, then it will happen. It's not maybe. The US fell into a deep depression in the 1930s for having just 23% unemployment and advanced automation and AI, is estimated by expert economists to take at least 60% of menial jobs and now estimates are about the same if not more for white-collar professions. Everything from paralegals to specialists who detect cancer in CT Scans will be out of a job.

My brother sells insurance to truck drivers, and he goes to the truck driver business conventions. In the last one he attended, the industry is now preparing to purchase self-driving, fully automated 18-wheelers. Conveys of 20, 30 self-driving 18-wheelers are now entering the market. That's a loss of at least five million jobs in the United States alone.

If capitalism doesn't destroy everything, It's not "maybe" or in the far future, when society will be forced to adopt socialism and later high-communism, it's within 20 years, 30 years tops. At this current rate of technological development, with artificial intelligence and robotics, I wouldn't be surprised if it's as soon as just a decade from now, in the 2030s.


.. socialism, I E Democratic fair capitalism

There is no such thing as fair capitalism comrade. Even if production is in the hands of democratically run labor cooperatives, the people will still face the chaos of markets and the inevitable cronyism. Corruption as a result of cooperatives competing with each other in the marketplace where still lead to the government passing laws in favor of some cooperatives at the expense of others and the public at large. Markets and money are superfluous, and inefficient once advanced automation is available.

What we need is rational central planning of the economy by a democratic federal, government in close collaboration with independent factories, managed by local municipalities (local governments under the authority of worker-run councils). This is true democracy, not capitalist production with its pursuit of profits at all costs. Non-profit, socialist production is not what you're saying.

with a good safety net is The best we will do till then...

You obviously have some type of financial capitalist interest in keeping it alive, hence your weird interpretation of socialism. Are you a capitalist?

Now if we can get the corrupt GOP to stop having a corrupt bubble and bust and World Depression every other time they get in....

The booms and busts are endemic to capitalism. That's how markets work. Boom and bust, and then socialism saves the day like Superman, with public funds:

​

That's not socialism. Socialism isn't just a social safety net and labor unions, it's the proletarian ownership of the means of production. It's the dictatorship of the proletariat (a worker's democracy). That's true socialism. What you are referring to is simply a mixed economy, with some socialist principles and perhaps even parties in government that call themselves "socialist" but they really aren't, because they continue allowing capitalists to run the show. They become tools of capitalism. A means to maintain the capitalist system, rather than fully transitioning to socialism. In a way these types of "socialists" are the worst enemies of socialism. They only go "half-ass", hurting and confusing everyone.

Germany is supposedly socialist now, under its socialist party and so is Spain, but they are pumping Ukraine with weapons, because weapons manufacturers are pushing their cronies in government to buy more weapons. The Russo-Ukrainian war has made tens of billions of dollars for Europe's defense industry. That's capitalism. I mention Europe because I remember you told me you lived in Spain. Here in the US we have the same situation. The MIC i.e. Military-Industrial Complex, is pushing American politicians to flood Ukraine with American weapons. Same shit. We're on the brink of destroying all life on this planet, in the pursuit of capitalist profits. True socialists, HATE CAPITALISM. We hate it. It will destroy the world.

Why don't we adopt clean, safe nuclear energy? The fossil fuel industry lobbies the US government to continue subsidizing them to the tune of tens of billions yearly and investing in coal plants, rather than clean, safe, modern nuclear plants. Certain industries with a lot of power have their cronies in government, that push their agenda through congress or parliament, at the expense of the public good. Capitalism is garbage, it will destroy humanity if we don't adopt another system of production.

Conservatives and right wingers Tories, GOP, PUTIN are the Savage capitalists, socialism is just like the Democratic Party if we could get anything passed...

Nobody in their right mind is for a dictatorship of any kind proletariat fascist communist, not a chance and that includes Putin, and Trump with martial law. Democracy is the answer socialism is the answer, end of story. French Socialists Italian German Scandinavia you name it are not interested in any proletarian dictatorship, that is totally discredited communism. When a fascist dictatorship attacks a democracy, there is no question that they have to be defended. You should read Kurt Vonnegut player piano which imagines Schenectady lOL where nobody has to work anymore.....

 

[Soupnazi630]

Conservatives and right wingers Tories, GOP, PUTIN are the Savage capitalists, socialism is just like the Democratic Party if we could get anything passed...

Nobody in their right mind is for a dictatorship of any kind proletariat fascist communist, not a chance and that includes Putin, and Trump with martial law. Democracy is the answer socialism is the answer, end of story. French Socialists Italian German Scandinavia you name it are not interested in any proletarian dictatorship, that is totally discredited communism. When a fascist dictatorship attacks a democracy, there is no question that they have to be defended. You should read Kurt Vonnegut player piano which imagines Schenectady lOL where nobody has to work anymore.....

Democracy is tyranny and socialism is always a failure that is the end of the story

 

[francoHFW]

Democracy is tyranny and socialism is always a failure that is the end of the story

But democracy will always be better than anything else... and that's not socialism as understood by every socialist and Socialist Party ever, that is communism which is just about dead, brainwashed functional moron. We are all socialists now!, said the president of Finland when Obamacare passed.... But he didn't realize what scum the GOP are....

 

[Red Front]

Conservatives and right wingers Tories, GOP, PUTIN are the Savage capitalists, socialism is just like the Democratic Party if we could get anything passed...

Nobody in their right mind is for a dictatorship of any kind proletariat fascist communist, not a chance and that includes Putin, and Trump with martial law. Democracy is the answer socialism is the answer, end of story. French Socialists Italian German Scandinavia you name it are not interested in any proletarian dictatorship, that is totally discredited communism. When a fascist dictatorship attacks a democracy, there is no question that they have to be defended. You should read Kurt Vonnegut player piano which imagines Schenectady lOL where nobody has to work anymore.....

The government is always a dictatorship, dictating laws and policy, it will either do it on behalf of a small minority of wealthy capitalist elites or on behalf of the public. When the government is governing on behalf of the public or majority, that's a democracy. So you're now resorting to semantics. I'm not in any way in favor of a fascist dictatorship. Unfortunately, you are, because you're defending capitalism, a dictatorial, totalitarian system that exploits human labor, and places the means of production in the hands of capitalists. That's not socialism, no matter how you try to slice it.

Russia is defending itself against NATO and a Ukrainian government that was turning Ukraine into a NATO launching pad and base. You're ignoring the 2014 US-sponsored coup, which led to anti-Russian fascists, ousting the democratically elected president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, and replacing him with Petro Poroshenko, an admitted fascist, who hates everything Russian. Why should the Russo-Ukrainians of the Donbas and Crimea accept the undemocratic, anti-Russian coup government? You're now revealing yourself not as a defender of democracy but of fascism.

 

[Soupnazi630]

But democracy will always be better than anything else... and that's not socialism as understood by every socialist and Socialist Party ever, that is communism which is just about dead, brainwashed functional moron. We are all socialists now!, said the president of Finland when Obamacare passed.... But he didn't realize what scum the GOP are....

No it is not

Democracy is simple tyranny. A republic based on stricty law respecting capitalism and property rights is the best way to go

Every socialist and socialist party ever is opposed to freedom and fair capitalism

That president of finland was a moron. Citing a moronn who agrees with you is not an argument

 

[francoHFW]

Wrong

Socialists have done nothing to heklp with retirement or health care escept make both worse.


People were able to get both without the help of socialists.

Socialists do nothing for the poor they care only about taking money from people who have it and destroying it

well Socialists, not communists for crying out loud, have done nothing in the United States or the UK because they have been banned basically since they were against World War one. Socialist parties in other countries have given them the 40 hour workweek the one month at least vacation a living wage health care day care paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and they tax the rich more like their fair share. God knows what the hell you're talking about, you are totally baffled by GOP BS. The Communists did all that too but they want the state to own all business and industry, which doesn't work with human beings. So they need a dictatorship to do that, and that doesn't work either.

 

[Dadoalex]

Wrong

Socialists have done nothing to heklp with retirement or health care escept make both worse.


People were able to get both without the help of socialists.

Socialists do nothing for the poor they care only about taking money from people who have it and destroying it

Let's ask folks on SS and Medicare about that, shall we?

 

[Soupnazi630]

well Socialists not, not communists for crying out loud, have done nothing in the United States or the UK because they have been banned basically since they were against World War one. Socialists parties in other countries have given them the 40 hour workweek the one month at least vacation a living wage health care day care paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and they tax the rich more like their fair share. God knows what the hell you're talking about, you are totally baffled by GOP BS. The Communists did all that too but they want the state to own all business and industry, which doesn't work with human beings.

They have never been banned basically or otherwise.

they are rejected by trrhe common man who is smarter and a braindead socialist.
The US rejects socialism but has a basic forty hour work week, Living wages for all, Health care and more kids in college than any nation

ALL WITHOUT SOCIALISM

There is no such thing as a fair share taxation and you are simply celbrating theft.

What I am talking about are basic facts which you understand but hate

 

[Soupnazi630]

Let's ask folks on SS and Medicare about that, shall we?

Sure especially when both collapse because they are unsustainable

 

[Red Front]

well Socialists not, not communists for crying out loud, have done nothing in the United States or the UK because they have been banned basically since they were against World War one. Socialists parties in other countries have given them the 40 hour workweek the one month at least vacation a living wage health care day care paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and they tax the rich more like their fair share. God knows what the hell you're talking about, you are totally baffled by GOP BS. The Communists did all that too but they want the state to own all business and industry, which doesn't work with human beings. So they need a dictatorship to do that, and that doesn't work either.

You need a dictatorship of capitalists, to own the factories and all of the facilities and machinery of production. The fact that in a mixed economy, workers get more perks, doesn't justify capitalism any more than a slave master who treats his slaves well, justifies the institution of slavery. You assume that only under capitalists government can be "democratic", but not under socialism. You're the one who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Capitalism keeps society addicted to fossil fuels when we already have the technology to use something better. Capitalists start wars because it's profitable for them.

You're unable to adequately address the issue of advanced automation and artificial intelligence eliminating wage labor, which leads to massive unemployment and social unrest. The only solution is non-profit, socialist production.

 

[francoHFW]

You need a dictatorship of capitalists, to own the factories and all of the facilities and machinery of production. The fact that in a mixed economy, workers get more perks, doesn't justify capitalism any more than a slave master who treats his slaves well, justifies the institution of slavery. You assume that only under capitalists government can be "democratic", but not under socialism. You're the one who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Capitalism keeps society addicted to fossil fuels when we already have the technology to use something better. Capitalists start wars because it's profitable for them.

You're unable to adequately address the issue of advanced automation and artificial intelligence eliminating wage labor, which leads to massive unemployment and social unrest. The only solution is non-profit, socialist production.

You are talking about Savage capitalists not socialists and fair capitalism. So tell me when a communist government has gotten in anywhere but through violent revolution or invasion..... I'm 72 years old and your automation eliminating wage labor will not happen in my lifetime, they'll think of something and it is our duty to make sure they give workers all the benefits they deserve. And lying rich people and big oil big money GOP swine aren't in control.... America is a savage capitalist conundrum with the damn GOP....

 

[Red Front]

You are talking about Savage capitalists not socialists and fair capitalism. So tell me when a communist government has gotten in anywhere but through violent revolution or invasion..... I'm 72 years old and your automation eliminating wage labor will not happen in my lifetime, they'll think of something and it is our duty to make sure they give workers all the benefits they deserve. And lying rich people and big oil big money GOP swine aren't in control.... America is a savage capitalist conundrum with the damn GOP....

It's the socialists who are invaded. Russia was invaded by 14 countries and was in a state of war from its founding to its dissolution in 1991. Class warfare is hardly ever peaceful. Those who are in power, don't relinquish it voluntarily.

You're not a socialist, because you speak as an imperialist and defend them, in Ukraine and throughout the world. You call facts "fake news", in defense of American imperialism. Russia wasn't the one spreading a military alliance into Western Europe, it was the US and Western Europe spreading a Cold War military alliance to Russia's doorstep. Right on its border. All of this is ultimately motivated by profits. NATO is a cash cow for the American MIC-Military Industrial Complex and the EU defense industry. Weapons manufacturers love NATO and having Russia as the "boogieman", that way they can continue selling weapons to their customers.

Every state or government is a dictatorship. It's always ruling on behalf of one or another socioeconomic class, at the expense of the other. I prefer the dictatorship of the working class or the 96%. I prefer majority rule, to minority rule. Capitalism is the rule of a small minority of wealthy capitalist elites, at the expense of the public at large (96% of the population = the working class).

 

[francoHFW]

It's the socialists who are invaded. Russia was invaded by 14 countries and was in a state of war from its founding to its dissolution in 1991. Class warfare is hardly ever peaceful. Those who are in power, don't relinquish it voluntarily.

You're not a socialist, because you speak as an imperialist and defend them, in Ukraine and throughout the world. You call facts "fake news", in defense of American imperialism. Russia wasn't the one spreading a military alliance into Western Europe, it was the US and Western Europe spreading a Cold War military alliance to Russia's doorstep. Right on its border. All of this is ultimately motivated by profits. NATO is a cash cow for the American MIC-Military Industrial Complex and the EU defense industry. Weapons manufacturers love NATO and having Russia as the "boogieman", that way they can continue selling weapons to their customers.

Every state or government is a dictatorship. It's always ruling on behalf of one or another socioeconomic class, at the expense of the other. I prefer the dictatorship of the working class or the 96%. I prefer majority rule, to minority rule. Capitalism is the rule of a small minority of wealthy capitalist elites, at the expense of the public at large (96% of the population = the working class).

I am a Democratic fair capitalist or a socialist as understood by every socialist and socialist party ever. You are way out there And don't know the real world difference between socialism and communism- Democracy, I'm more interested in what is wrong with our country and who can solve it. Your theory about the future may be right but I don't care, and you better not call it communism or socialism in the English speaking world or it won't work lOL they're terminally confused about it.... And so are you it appears. My hero is Francois Mitterrand, the French Socialist of the 80s. A resistance fighter, a whole other family showed up at his funeral with another wife and more children and there was no problem about it lOL Vive La France!

 

[Red Front]

I am a Democratic fair capitalist or a socialist as understood by every socialist and socialist party ever. You are way out there And don't know the real world difference between socialism and communism- Democracy, I'm more interested in what is wrong with our country and who can solve it. Your theory about the future may be right but I don't care, and you better not call it communism or socialism in the English speaking world or it won't work lOL they're terminally confused about it.... And so are you it appears. My hero is Francois Mitterrand, the French Socialist of the 80s. A resistance fighter, a whole other family showed up at his funeral with another wife and more children and there was no problem about it lOL Vive La France!

I am a Democratic fair capitalist....

At least you're admitting now you're a capitalist. There's no such thing as a "democratic capitalist" any more than a democratic king or democratic fief lord or slave master. Capitalism is an authoritarian system of for-profit production that commodifies and exploits human labor (human lives), for the profit of the wealthy capitalist parasite who owns the factory and machinery. There's no democracy in the capitalist workplace hence the constant struggle between the capitalist owner-elites and their workers. Paying a person $100 daily, when they're producing $700 daily in goods and services is thievery. Capitalism alienates people from what they produce and from each other. It also takes control of the government with $.

....or a socialist as it understood by every socialist and socialist party ever.

Really? You're confused. What type of socialism is this? One where socialists are proud to call themselves capitalists? Perpetuating the power of the capitalist imperialists? Karl Marx coined the term "socialism" and communism, yet you ignore everything Marx said about socialism and capitalism, pretending you're both a capitalist and a socialist. You're a contradiction.

You are way out there And don't know the real-world difference between socialism and communism Democracy.

In the "real-world" Marx defined what socialism is and how it's the revolutionary process that leads to communism. Communism is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. How the hell did you conclude from that, that communism isn't democratic? Your definitions of socialism and communism are absurd. Absurdo.

I'm more interested in what is wrong with our country and who can solve it. Your theory about the future may be right but I don't care, and you better not call it communism or socialism in the English speaking world or it won't work lOL they're terminally confused about it....

I can agree with you on this point. Due to decades of capitalist Cold War propaganda, the American public is completely brainwashed, hence using terms like communism won't fly here. It's a bad idea. Socialism is becoming more common and accepted in the US, especially among the youth, but communism is misunderstood.

 

[Dadoalex]

Sure especially when both collapse because they are unsustainable

Because you refuse to pay for something doesn't make it unsustainable.

Raise current FICA taxes
Eliminate upper limit on FICA taxes
reduce FICA taxes by 2% on incomes over $2M

There ya go.