AOC Is A Communist

[Soupnazi630]

Please.
Working Americans can't afford the legal/accounting talents needed to commit tax fraud.
That's for the wealthy who'll be paying more of their fair share.

Yes they can and do

Once again over half of all americans cheat on taxes. Mainly by not reporting income.

One need not have an accountant to commit tax fraud/ You are way out of touch with reality.

The acerage bartender or server does not report all their tips. Millions have side gigs often under the table with cash paid for various services. People run a trade or business out of their home and do not report the income.

The list is endless and that is precisely why those new IRA agents were hired. It has already been admitted that they will not go after a single billionaire but after all the working stiffs who refuse to play the game and report their hard earned money.

That is what your fucking socialism is about at the core.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Communism has never been put in without violent revolution or invasion and never will be. They are done. socialism is simply fair capitalism and always democratic According to Socialists and Socialist parties always.... You are terminally baffled by Savage Capitalist English speaking new bs gop propaganda, time to go back to listening to France more again instead of scumbag English tory capitalist swine.

Socialism is violengtly opposed to any fair capitaslism only democratic as a meansxof acheiving totalitarianism

 

[tahuyaman]

AOC Is A Communist​

Duh.

 

[tahuyaman]

AOC is a Democratic Socialist who believes Government should do more for We the People

No. She’s a communist. Government should do less you moron. Only idiots think government has your best interests in mind.

 

[rightwinger]

No. She’s a communist. Government should do less you moron. Only idiots think government has your best interests in mind.

A Government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from this earth

 

[Red Front]

Every communist tried to implement socialism first, as a overture into communism.

That's right. Communism was something considerably untenable. A stateless society, without socioeconomic classes and the need for money is impossible without the advanced technology and a people who are socially, psychologically, and ideologically prepared for that system of production. The only way to have a high-tech communist society is with a population that is technically and socially evolved enough to naturally desire it and create it.

The only other time in our history when we didn't have a state, socioeconomic classes, and money, was under primitive tribal communism, over 7 thousand years ago, before agriculture. We organized labor around meeting our needs and surviving, without markets or the profit-motive (the pursuit of private capital accumulation).

Hunter-gatherer societies today, have no markets, and they rarely barter with each other within the tribe or with other tribes, lest they facilitate and empower those competing with them for resources. Tribes are often at war over the control of hunting grounds and prey stock. Tribes share almost everything with their own members, even their spouses. In primitive communism, there is scarcity. Not much technology. It was the default, first system of production and labor.

You make the wooden shaft of the spears (because you're good at making wooden spear shafts), I make the spear tips (I'm good at that), and we go on the hunt together. My wife and your wife take care of our children and do other important tasks in the village, and a few men stay behind with the elderly, guarding and protecting the tribe. We organized labor like this for tens of thousands of years. There was no "state" apparatus, to protect the haves from the have-nots. Masters from their slaves, property owners from those who didn't own property. That came later with agriculture. Landlords, fief lords, slave masters, slave-labor, serfs..etc. A state is required for that.

So that is "primitive communism". What is high-communism (i.e. high-tech communism)? It's when production technology becomes so advanced and efficient, that human labor is hardly needed, if at all.

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Capitalism is based upon human wage labor and the private ownership of the means of production (the facilities, and machinery of production) in the pursuit of profits (private capital accumulation). Without human wage labor, there are no paying consumers or markets. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence technology significantly reduce or completely eliminate wage labor, hence the need to adopt a non-profit, centrally planned, rational, democratic system of production. This system is called socialism, which in the beginning still has a state and maybe a monetary currency or credit system but it never has a legitimate socioeconomic class other than the working class. In socialism, the state no longer serves the masters at the expense of the slaves or employees/exploitees.

The state is always a dictatorship. It's either dictating for the rich and powerful at the expense of the working class or it's dictating on behalf of the working class. That is the "dictatorship of the proletariat" or worker's democracy. Rule of the majority as opposed to the rule of a small, wealthy elite class of masters. That stage of socialism, where there is still a state and the factories and all of the robots are in the hands of the people (collectively owned by the public) and working 24/7, in the service of consumers, is the stage before high-communism.

High-communism no longer needs the state apparatus, or money. It's "Star Trek":

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We're not going to have that for at least another 100 years.

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"Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law."

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[tahuyaman]

A Government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from this earth

That’s not communism you nit-wit.

 

[francoHFW]

You means Socialism?

socialism is simply fair capitalism and always democratic says every socialist and socialist party ever.

 

[francoHFW]

That's right. Communism was something considerably untenable. A stateless society, without socioeconomic classes and the need for money is impossible without the advanced technology and a people who are socially, psychologically, and ideologically prepared for that system of production. The only way to have a high-tech communist society is with a population that is technically and socially evolved enough to naturally desire it and create it.

The only other time in our history when we didn't have a state, socioeconomic classes, and money, was under primitive tribal communism, over 7 thousand years ago, before agriculture. We organized labor around meeting our needs and surviving, without markets or the profit-motive (the pursuit of private capital accumulation).

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Hunter-gatherer societies today, have no markets, and they rarely barter with each other within the tribe or with other tribes, lest they facilitate and empower those competing with them for resources. Tribes are often at war over the control of hunting grounds and prey stock. Tribes share almost everything with their own members, even their spouses. In primitive communism, there is scarcity. Not much technology. It was the default, first system of production and labor.

You make the wooden shaft of the spears (because you're good at making wooden spear shafts), I make the spear tips (I'm good at that), and we go on the hunt together. My wife and your wife take care of our children and do other important tasks in the village, and a few men stay behind with the elderly, guarding and protecting the tribe. We organized labor like this for tens of thousands of years. There was no "state" apparatus, to protect the haves from the have-nots. Masters from their slaves, property owners from those who didn't own property. That came later with agriculture. Landlords, fief lords, slave masters, slave-labor, serfs..etc. A state is required for that.

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So that is "primitive communism". What is high-communism (i.e. high-tech communism)? It's when production technology becomes so advanced and efficient, that human labor is hardly needed, if at all.

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Capitalism is based upon human wage labor and the private ownership of the means of production (the facilities, and machinery of production) in the pursuit of profits (private capital accumulation). Without human wage labor, there are no paying consumers or markets. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence technology significantly reduce or completely eliminate wage labor, hence the need to adopt a non-profit, centrally planned, rational, democratic system of production. This system is called socialism, which in the beginning still has a state and maybe a monetary currency or credit system but it never has a legitimate socioeconomic class other than the working class. In socialism, the state no longer serves the masters at the expense of the slaves or employees/exploitees.

The state is always a dictatorship. It's either dictating for the rich and powerful at the expense of the working class or it's dictating on behalf of the working class. That is the "dictatorship of the proletariat" or worker's democracy. Rule of the majority as opposed to the rule of a small, wealthy elite class of masters. That stage of socialism, where there is still a state and the factories and all of the robots are in the hands of the people (collectively owned by the public) and working 24/7, in the service of consumers, is the stage before high-communism.

High-communism no longer needs the state apparatus, or money. It's "Star Trek":

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We're not going to have that for at least another 100 years.

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"Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law."

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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I'm not holding my breath LOL.... Pure theory

 

[Red Front]

socialism is simply fair capitalism and always democratic says every socialist and socialist party ever.

Capitalism isn't democratic and the capitalist always takes control of the state with their money. That has nothing to do with socialism. The only form of capitalism, that is close to democracy, is when all of the productive enterprises, the corporations, are owned and operated collectively by the workers. When production is done by worker-owned cooperatives, that's the closest capitalism will ever get to democracy. The problem with that form of capitalism is that you still have competition between corporations and the profit motive, which can and usually does lead to the state serving the interests of some labor cooperatives at the expense of other cooperatives and of the public at large.

How do you pretend to maintain markets and paying consumers, when technology significantly reduces or eliminates wage labor?

 

[Red Front]

I'm not holding my breath LOL.... Pure theory

It's a fact. Do you plan to keep humanity tied to capitalism forever? Do you actually believe that technology will never significantly reduce or eliminate wage-labor? How do you figure?

 

[Red Front]

AOC Is A Communist​

Duh.

How is she a communist?

 

[Soupnazi630]

socialism is simply fair capitalism and always democratic says every socialist and socialist party ever.

Wrong

None of them say that

It is anti fair capitalism and only democratic when it serves the need to establish tyranny

 

[francoHFW]

Wrong

None of them say that

It is anti fair capitalism and only democratic when it serves the need to establish tyranny

That's Communism, brainwashed functional moron. Non English speaking countries have had socialist and Communist Parties at the same time and the difference is democracy and all that entails. Socialism won easy, that's why every modern country is Socialist, although the English speaking ones have to call the parties\s labor or green or social Democrat or Democratic Socialist or whatever. They basically band Socialist parties because they were against World War one. Eugene Debs the American Socialist was put in jail for four years, and he was never for anything but fair capitalism and democracy....

 

[francoHFW]

It's a fact. Do you plan to keep humanity tied to capitalism forever? Do you actually believe that technology will never significantly reduce or eliminate wage-labor? How do you figure?

that may happen but it hasn't yet and won't be soon... socialism, I E Democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net is The best we will do till then... Now if we can get the corrupt GOP to stop having a corrupt bubble and bust and World Depression every other time they get in....

 

[SeaMajor7]

Capitalism isn't democratic and the capitalist always takes control of the state with their money. That has nothing to do with socialism. The only form of capitalism, that is close to democracy, is when all of the productive enterprises, the corporations, are owned and operated collectively by the workers. When production is done by worker-owned cooperatives, that's the closest capitalism will ever get to democracy. The problem with that form of capitalism is that you still have competition between corporations and the profit motive, which can and usually does lead to the state serving the interests of some labor cooperatives at the expense of other cooperatives and of the public at large.

How do you pretend to maintain markets and paying consumers, when technology significantly reduces or eliminates wage labor?

Every fucking retarded communist revolution in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to fruition.
They HAD to eliminate the THINKING PEOPLE that KNEW that communism DOESN'T WORK!!!!
You constantly say that communism gives all the power to all the people, and that there will be no State in charge. Perhaps the most absurd and ideological nieve notion of utopia ever.
Look at all those fucking STUPID illustrations you plaster here, a load of pipe dream nonsense!!!!
You, and your dreams of communist utopia are PATHETIC!!!!

 

[Dadoalex]

What is their "fair share" exactly?

I pay about 22%
30% on income over 10M seems fair.

 

[Dadoalex]

Yes they can and do

Once again over half of all americans cheat on taxes. Mainly by not reporting income.

One need not have an accountant to commit tax fraud/ You are way out of touch with reality.

The acerage bartender or server does not report all their tips. Millions have side gigs often under the table with cash paid for various services. People run a trade or business out of their home and do not report the income.

The list is endless and that is precisely why those new IRA agents were hired. It has already been admitted that they will not go after a single billionaire but after all the working stiffs who refuse to play the game and report their hard earned money.

That is what your fucking socialism is about at the core.

Socialism is about cheating on taxes?

I think you might be confused or a MAGADONIAN. There's little difference.

 

[Soupnazi630]

That's Communism, brainwashed functional moron. Non English speaking countries have had socialist and Communist Parties at the same time and the difference is democracy and all that entails. Socialism won easy, that's why every modern country is Socialist, although the English speaking ones have to call the parties\s labor or green or social Democrat or Democratic Socialist or whatever. They basically band Socialist parties because they were against World War one. Eugene Debs the American Socialist was put in jail for four years, and he was never for anything but fair capitalism and democracy....

No it is socialism.

Language has nothing to do with it. Most modern countries are NOT socialist. Those that are socialist have failed because socialism always fails. Like Venezuela

Debs was opposed to fair capitalism and like all socialists only viewed democracy as a means to an end which was tyranny.

No one banned socialist parties

 

[Soupnazi630]

Socialism is about cheating on taxes?

I think you might be confused or a MAGADONIAN. There's little difference.

Clearly I was referring to the harrassment of the working class for exercising independence.

That is what socialism is about. Socialists world wide in the passty and present share one tyrait. They hate the poor and the working class and especially the wealthy