AOC Is A Communist

[surada]

The USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Where is the word "communism" there? Communism according to Marx, is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. Was the USSR stateless? Obviously not. Did they have a currency? Money? Yes. Socialism is the process that leads to communism. As technology advances, society becomes more communistic and democratic. Your claim that communism isn't democratic is false.

You can't expect a socialist country that identifies itself as Marxist and is being threatened with war and economic sanctions, to remain completely democratic and to succeed economically. Socialist nations are like flowers growing in a field of weeds, that are trying to strangle them. The capitalists are the weeds and those flowers might grow thorns and become more militaristic, even authoritarian, under such hostile, austere conditions.

Russia has land, timber, water, oil and lots of other natural resources and remain impoverished and backwards.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It wii, AND i suggested a 5% cut in defense spending. In other words, bit of both.

I did give the opportunity to be specific on your ideas but...

Like all MAGADONIANS tour strong on blame but performance is lame.

No it will not and that is established fact.

Once again you ignore that people do not want to pay taxes and avoid it at ever turn. Raising taxes ALWAYS results in people paying less. Ity is not just billionaires either. Over half of all Americans hide or avoid paying taxes in one way or another.

Your fantasy methoffs are based on ignorance of reality and economic stupidity

 

[Soupnazi630]

Keep talking, Super Duper. Benefits? The only modern country without a living wage health care daycare cheap college + training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich, this is ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with you? Google the demise of the middle class, you have no idea what is going on.....

Wrong dumbass all wages are living wagers.

swe have all of those things you cains we do not.The middle class is alive and well

You are clueless and out of touch

 

[Red Front]

Russia has land, timber, water, oil and lots of other natural resources and remain impoverished and backwards.

Even more so under capitalism. Russia now is an oligarchy. Russia in 1917 adopted socialism and in 1918 (less than a year later) was invaded by 14 countries, including the United States, Britain, France..etc. That war lasted into the 1920s. The socialists turned an underindustrialized, agrarian society with an 87% illiteracy rate, into an industrial juggernaut, and world power, with a 90%+ literacy rate, the largest hydroelectric plant in the world, fully electrified by the late 1930s, with an impressive production output in steel, and more mechanized farms than in the United States.

USSR: change in output of coal and steel 1930-1940 | Statista

Over the 1930s, the Soviet Union's output of raw materials increased dramatically, with steel output increasing by a factor of eight, and coal output by a factor of nine.

www.statista.com

You can poopoo that because that's what you always do, but that's fine because I don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything. I write this for others, not you.

The Russian Soviets were in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. If they weren't fighting foreign invaders, they were fighting capitalist forces within the Soviet Union and a cold war that depleted much of the young nation's resources. The Cold War wasn't an "arms race" between the Soviets and the US, it was an "arms chase". The Soviets were constantly chasing the US, with respect to weapons systems. The Soviets initiated the non-proliferation treaties for nuclear weapons. They didn't want a nuclear war or to continue with the "arms race" and by the 1980s, the Soviets were shell-shocked and war-weary, hence trying to placate the US with Perestroika reforms and Glastnos. The United States with Saudi Arabia engineered the oil crisis of the mid-80s, when prices plummeted, hurting the Soviet economy and that led to more market reforms and breadlines.


Breadlines in the Soviet Union were unheard of apart from the 1920s, during the revolutionary Russian war and WW2, when Russia was invaded by 4 million Germans, and then, after 40 years of impressive economic growth, in the 1980s, they tried to end the Cold War by meeting some of the demands of the United States, with "market reforms"/ Perestroika. Factories began being managed completely by workers without central planning and in some cases, completely privatized. That's when huge food shortages occurred and the Soviet economy stopped growing. The pro-capitalist cronies in the Soviet government dissolved the USSR in 1991 and the years that followed in the 1990s led to Russia's social and economic rape. They were raped socially (drugs, violent crime, the mafia, prostitutes, HIV..etc) and economically by capitalist oligarchs.

Putin saved Russia by applying socialist principles to the Russian economy, starting in 2000. Russia isn't socialist, but it did adopt some very important socialist policies, like nationalizing its oil and other natural resources. That has greatly improved Russia's economy and the standard of living of its citizens. There's more law and order now, and less crime, than in the 1990s.

 

[surada]

Even more so under capitalism. Russia now is an oligarchy. Russia in 1917 adopted socialism and in 1918 (less than a year later) was invaded by 14 countries, including the United States, Britain, France..etc. That war later into the 1920s. The socialists turned an underindustrialized, agrarian society with an 87% illiteracy rate, into an industrial juggernaut, and world power, with a 90%+ literacy rate, the largest hydroelectric plant in the world, fully electrified by the late 1930s, with an impressive production output in steel, and more mechanized farms than in the United States.

USSR: change in output of coal and steel 1930-1940 | Statista

Over the 1930s, the Soviet Union's output of raw materials increased dramatically, with steel output increasing by a factor of eight, and coal output by a factor of nine.

www.statista.com

You can poopoo that because that's what you always do, but that's fine because I don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything. I write this for others, not you.

The Russian Soviets were in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. If they weren't fighting foreign invaders, they were fighting capitalist forces within the Soviet Union and a cold war that depleted much of the young nation's resources. The Cold War wasn't an "arms race" between the Soviets and the US, it was an "arms chase". The Soviets were constantly chasing the US, with respect to weapons systems. The Soviets initiated the non-proliferation treaties for nuclear weapons. They didn't want a nuclear war or to continue with the "arms race" and by the 1980s, the Soviets were shell-shocked and war-weary, hence trying to placate the US with Perestroika reforms and Glastnos. The United States with Saudi Arabia engineered the oil crisis of the mid-80s, when prices plummeted, hurting the Soviet economy and that led to more market reforms and breadlines.


Breadlines in the Soviet Union were unheard of apart from the 1920s, during the revolutionary Russian war and WW2, when Russia was invaded by 4 million Germans, and then, after 40 years of impressive economic growth, in the 1980s, they tried to end the Cold War by meeting some of the demands of the United States, with "market reforms"/ Perestroika. Factories began being managed completely by workers without central planning and in some cases, completely privatized. That's when huge food shortages occurred and the Soviet economy stopped growing. The pro-capitalist cronies in the Soviet government dissolved the USSR in 1991 and the years that followed in the 1990s led to Russia's rape. They were raped economically by capitalist oligarchs.

Putin saved Russia by applying socialist principles to the Russian economy, starting in 2000. Russia isn't socialist, but it did adopt some very important socialist policies, like nationalizing its oil and other natural resources. That has greatly improved Russia's economy and the standard of living of its citizens.

So now we're saying Russia has been a victim for more than 100 years.

 

[Red Front]

So now we're saying Russia has been a victim for more than 100 years.

Russia doesn't play the victim, but the reality of the situation that you disingenuously deny, is that any nation that outwardly identifies itself as having a Marxist economy and tries to hand over the means of production (facilities, machinery, materials), to its people, is economically embargoed, threatened with war and actually bombed, invaded..etc, by the US and its allies (vassals). That supposedly according to you, has no bearing on a new nation's ability to function. Socialists have to be 100% successful and victorious, all of the time, despite of the obstacles and challenges presented by powerful capitalist-run nations, like the US.

You're not approaching this topic, with any goodwill at all. There's no intention to understand anything, from anyone else's perspective. You have your point of view and it's absolutely perfect and correct, and socialists are 100% incorrect. I don't believe capitalism is absolutely incorrect in everything it does or that capitalist apologists have nothing to teach me. But you're a capitalist extremist, that assumes socialism is always WRONG, and has nothing to offer. I usually just avoid discussing anything with people who think like you. As I said, I really don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything, but rather to others who might be sincerely interested in knowing more about the topic.

 

[surada]

Russia doesn't play the victim, but the reality of the situation that you disingenuously deny, is that any nation that outwardly identifies itself as having a Marxist economy and tries to hand over the means of production (facilities, machinery, materials), to its people, is economically embargoed, threatened with war and actually bombed, invaded..etc, by the US and its allies (vassals). That supposedly according to you, has no bearing on a new nation's ability to function. Socialists have to be 100% successful and victorious, all of the time, despite of the obstacles and challenges presented by powerful capitalist-run nations, like the US.

You're not approaching this topic, with any goodwill at all. There's no intention to understand anything, from anyone else's perspective. You have your point of view and it's absolutely perfect and correct, and socialists are 100% incorrect. I don't believe capitalism is absolutely incorrect in everything it does or that capitalist apologists have nothing to teach me. But you're a capitalist extremist, that assumes socialism is always WRONG, and has nothing to offer. I usually just avoid discussing anything with people who think like you. As I said, I really don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything, but rather to others who might be sincerely interested in knowing more about the topic.

Why would anyone care about Russia's economy?

I've always thought capitalism should be tempered by a bit of socialism.

 

[Red Front]

Why would anyone care about Russia's economy?

I've always thought capitalism should be tempered by a bit of socialism.

Capitalism can't survive without socialism. When you consider the business cycle, of booms and busts, followed by government bailouts to avoid a complete collapse of our economy and catastrophic failure, you realize we should have more socialism, than capitalism. Capitalism with its markets needs to be regulated by socialism until technology renders markets and wage labor superfluous and unnecessary. If capitalism was more regulated, we might be able to avoid those booms and busts, and the bailouts, but unfortunately, laisse faire capitalism simply doesn't work and that's what we have today. Both Republicans and some Democrats insist on unregulated capitalism.

Marketless socialism has been proven to work, provided it employs technology. Industrialization is important for socialism at a national scale.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Even more so under capitalism. Russia now is an oligarchy. Russia in 1917 adopted socialism and in 1918 (less than a year later) was invaded by 14 countries, including the United States, Britain, France..etc. That war lasted into the 1920s. The socialists turned an underindustrialized, agrarian society with an 87% illiteracy rate, into an industrial juggernaut, and world power, with a 90%+ literacy rate, the largest hydroelectric plant in the world, fully electrified by the late 1930s, with an impressive production output in steel, and more mechanized farms than in the United States.

USSR: change in output of coal and steel 1930-1940 | Statista

Over the 1930s, the Soviet Union's output of raw materials increased dramatically, with steel output increasing by a factor of eight, and coal output by a factor of nine.

www.statista.com

You can poopoo that because that's what you always do, but that's fine because I don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything. I write this for others, not you.

The Russian Soviets were in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. If they weren't fighting foreign invaders, they were fighting capitalist forces within the Soviet Union and a cold war that depleted much of the young nation's resources. The Cold War wasn't an "arms race" between the Soviets and the US, it was an "arms chase". The Soviets were constantly chasing the US, with respect to weapons systems. The Soviets initiated the non-proliferation treaties for nuclear weapons. They didn't want a nuclear war or to continue with the "arms race" and by the 1980s, the Soviets were shell-shocked and war-weary, hence trying to placate the US with Perestroika reforms and Glastnos. The United States with Saudi Arabia engineered the oil crisis of the mid-80s, when prices plummeted, hurting the Soviet economy and that led to more market reforms and breadlines.


Breadlines in the Soviet Union were unheard of apart from the 1920s, during the revolutionary Russian war and WW2, when Russia was invaded by 4 million Germans, and then, after 40 years of impressive economic growth, in the 1980s, they tried to end the Cold War by meeting some of the demands of the United States, with "market reforms"/ Perestroika. Factories began being managed completely by workers without central planning and in some cases, completely privatized. That's when huge food shortages occurred and the Soviet economy stopped growing. The pro-capitalist cronies in the Soviet government dissolved the USSR in 1991 and the years that followed in the 1990s led to Russia's social and economic rape. They were raped socially (drugs, violent crime, the mafia, prostitutes, HIV..etc) and economically by capitalist oligarchs.

Putin saved Russia by applying socialist principles to the Russian economy, starting in 2000. Russia isn't socialist, but it did adopt some very important socialist policies, like nationalizing its oil and other natural resources. That has greatly improved Russia's economy and the standard of living of its citizens. There's more law and order now, and less crime, than in the 1990s.

The soviet Union was a model of the failures of socialism and communism.

The invasions were happening in the middle of civil war which was the real cause of lack of progress. The state of war was a result of their own government trying to force their system on the world

The industrial juggernaut was a fraud. They had massive factories which produced junk which they had to force people to buy, They had the largest hydroelectric plant which provided poewer for a tiny village half the time. The other half it sat stagnant and did nothing.

All of this accomplished through slave labor which is the essence of communism.

Any statistic concerning the progress of a communist government is government propaganda which cannot be trusted as it is always falsified However they probably did increase the literacy rate which benefited the brainwashing and control over the slaves.

Breadlines were not unheard of after the twenties. That is amanufactured LIE from you. It is proven fact that breadlines and lines for EVERYTHING were the norm through out the entire existence of the USSR


Socialism and communism faiiled massively to even feed the population of the USSR which is why they had to import massive amounts of American grain every year. We kept them from starvation as they built nuclear weapons and ignored every non proliferation treaty

You are a liar and you are dreaming up fake history as you go

 

[Lastamender]

Afraid of the people you serve?
Sure
In MAGADONIA
Where MAGATS eat their own.

The people you serve are your boss. Aren't they stupid?

 

[Ame®icano]

AOC is a Democratic Socialist who believes Government should do more for We the People

Democratic Socialist = Communist

 

[Ame®icano]

Not really, many non-Communist countries use Democratic Socialism. Sweden, Norway, Finland
They use their Government to provide more services to the people.

None of them call themselves socialist.
They all refer to themselves as capitalist countries.

 

[surada]

Democratic Socialist = Communist

Good grief. You can't be that ignorant.

 

[francoHFW]

Even more so under capitalism. Russia now is an oligarchy. Russia in 1917 adopted socialism and in 1918 (less than a year later) was invaded by 14 countries, including the United States, Britain, France..etc. That war lasted into the 1920s. The socialists turned an underindustrialized, agrarian society with an 87% illiteracy rate, into an industrial juggernaut, and world power, with a 90%+ literacy rate, the largest hydroelectric plant in the world, fully electrified by the late 1930s, with an impressive production output in steel, and more mechanized farms than in the United States.

USSR: change in output of coal and steel 1930-1940 | Statista

Over the 1930s, the Soviet Union's output of raw materials increased dramatically, with steel output increasing by a factor of eight, and coal output by a factor of nine.

www.statista.com

You can poopoo that because that's what you always do, but that's fine because I don't respond to your posts to convince you of anything. I write this for others, not you.

The Russian Soviets were in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. If they weren't fighting foreign invaders, they were fighting capitalist forces within the Soviet Union and a cold war that depleted much of the young nation's resources. The Cold War wasn't an "arms race" between the Soviets and the US, it was an "arms chase". The Soviets were constantly chasing the US, with respect to weapons systems. The Soviets initiated the non-proliferation treaties for nuclear weapons. They didn't want a nuclear war or to continue with the "arms race" and by the 1980s, the Soviets were shell-shocked and war-weary, hence trying to placate the US with Perestroika reforms and Glastnos. The United States with Saudi Arabia engineered the oil crisis of the mid-80s, when prices plummeted, hurting the Soviet economy and that led to more market reforms and breadlines.


Breadlines in the Soviet Union were unheard of apart from the 1920s, during the revolutionary Russian war and WW2, when Russia was invaded by 4 million Germans, and then, after 40 years of impressive economic growth, in the 1980s, they tried to end the Cold War by meeting some of the demands of the United States, with "market reforms"/ Perestroika. Factories began being managed completely by workers without central planning and in some cases, completely privatized. That's when huge food shortages occurred and the Soviet economy stopped growing. The pro-capitalist cronies in the Soviet government dissolved the USSR in 1991 and the years that followed in the 1990s led to Russia's social and economic rape. They were raped socially (drugs, violent crime, the mafia, prostitutes, HIV..etc) and economically by capitalist oligarchs.

Putin saved Russia by applying socialist principles to the Russian economy, starting in 2000. Russia isn't socialist, but it did adopt some very important socialist policies, like nationalizing its oil and other natural resources. That has greatly improved Russia's economy and the standard of living of its citizens. There's more law and order now, and less crime, than in the 1990

That is communism, stop confusing the two. Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry. Socialism is always democratic end of story. Stop confusing the Rubes

 

[francoHFW]

None of them call themselves socialist.
They all refer to themselves as capitalist countries.

They used to call themselves socialists, but it's not worth the trouble with the brainwashed Anglo Americans.....

 

[BackAgain]

Keep talking, Super Duper. Benefits? The only modern country without a living wage health care daycare cheap college + training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich, this is ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with you? Google the demise of the middle class, you have no idea what is going on.....

Francis still lost on how the quote function works. Stupid simpleton ass muncher that he is.

 

[francoHFW]

The soviet Union was a model of the failures of socialism and communism.

The invasions were happening in the middle of civil war which was the real cause of lack of progress. The state of war was a result of their own government trying to force their system on the world

The industrial juggernaut was a fraud. They had massive factories which produced junk which they had to force people to buy, They had the largest hydroelectric plant which provided poewer for a tiny village half the time. The other half it sat stagnant and did nothing.

All of this accomplished through slave labor which is the essence of communism.

Any statistic concerning the progress of a communist government is government propaganda which cannot be trusted as it is always falsified However they probably did increase the literacy rate which benefited the brainwashing and control over the slaves.

Breadlines were not unheard of after the twenties. That is amanufactured LIE from you. It is proven fact that breadlines and lines for EVERYTHING were the norm through out the entire existence of the USSR


Socialism and communism faiiled massively to even feed the population of the USSR which is why they had to import massive amounts of American grain every year. We kept them from starvation as they built nuclear weapons and ignored every non proliferation treaty

You are a liar and you are dreaming up fake history as you go

If it's not democratic and fair capitalism, it is not socialism. As understood by every socialist and socialist party ever. Don't listen to communists, nazis, or the new BS GOP/ Murdoch, they are the three biggest liars in history....

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is communism, stop confusing the two. Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry. Socialism is always democratic end of story. Stop confusing the Rubes

Wrong

socialism is also tyrannical merely hiding behind a facade of democracy

Stop trying to weasel awway from facts

 

[Soupnazi630]

If it's not democratic and fair capitalism, it is not socialism. As understood by every socialist and socialist party ever. Don't listen to communists, nazis, or the new BS GOP/ Murdoch, they are the three biggest liars in history....

Socialism is tyranny and always opposed to fair capitalism

That has been established on this threaad

 

[francoHFW]

Francis still lost on how the quote function works. Stupid simpleton ass muncher that he is.

GOP base skull, the thickest material known to man.... We are still the only modern country without a living wage cheap college and taxing the rich Etcetera Etcetera. Because of boobs like you who will take anything.... You are the Snowflakes...