Any debate on global warming now OVER!?

[abu afak]

Yup, the debate is Over.
Skookerasbil LOST.
He Started the Wrongest thread EVER made here with his NINE Year running "Skeptics are Winning" thread in 2013-2022.
Nailed it!
Astonishing Call in 2013!

And it's looking like 2024 might beat 2023!


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[ding]

Skeptics are Winning

Agreed.

 

[skookerasbil]

Laughed my balls off this morning taking a gander....
at THIS...

"Doesn't Fit MSM Narrative": Latest Arctic Ice Data Shows 26% Larger Than 2012 | ZeroHedge

 

[skookerasbil]

For the sceptics....

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh...wait...what's this?

Coal BOOMING

Coal demand is up. Thank data centers and industrialization. - Marketplace

The sceptics

 

[skookerasbil]

Bah Bah Booey

Green fAiL...a case study...


Green Fail and Wasteful Spending

 

[Robert W]

Laughed my balls off this morning taking a gander....
at THIS...

Thanks for telling us you are a female.

 

[mamooth]

Mamooth wants be praised that he is in charge of Climate. Where is the heat Mamooth?

This illustrates the problem with most deniers. They're not very smart.

What's more, their low intelligence prevents them from understanding how dumb they are. Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

Look at the deniers here now. Robert, Skook, Ding, EMH ... not what you'd call a brain trust. That's denialism now, low-IQ trolls and conspiracy nutters. All the kewl conspiracy fruitcakes have moved on to more modern conspiracy theories. Denialism is an old fogey conspiracy theory now.

 

[mamooth]

We use the greybody form of SB ...

That's essentially tossing in a fudge factor to get earth's average temp to match the "it's only S-B" theory.

To be taken seriously, a theory has to explain the current fast warming.

It could be claimed that the albedo feedback cycle explains all the warming.

However, that doesn't explain why we haven't seen such cycles in the recent past.

And, running the numbers, albedo feedback only explains about 10% of the current warming. Left to itself, albedo feedback would fade out. Albedo feedback just reinforces the greenhouse gas effects.

 

[Robert W]

This illustrates the problem with most deniers. They're not very smart.

What's more, their low intelligence prevents them from understanding how dumb they are. Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

Look at the deniers here now. Robert, Skook, Ding, EMH ... not what you'd call a brain trust. That's denialism now, low-IQ trolls and conspiracy nutters. All the kewl conspiracy fruitcakes have moved on to more modern conspiracy theories. Denialism is an old fogey conspiracy theory now.

Mamooth wants be praised that he is in charge of Climate. Where is the heat Mamooth?

 

[jc456]

This illustrates the problem with most deniers. They're not very smart.

What's more, their low intelligence prevents them from understanding how dumb they are. Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

Look at the deniers here now. Robert, Skook, Ding, EMH ... not what you'd call a brain trust. That's denialism now, low-IQ trolls and conspiracy nutters. All the kewl conspiracy fruitcakes have moved on to more modern conspiracy theories. Denialism is an old fogey conspiracy theory now.

And yet you can’t name the problem

 

[EMH]

This illustrates the problem with most deniers. They're not very smart.

What's more, their low intelligence prevents them from understanding how dumb they are. Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

Look at the deniers here now. Robert, Skook, Ding, EMH ... not what you'd call a brain trust. That's denialism now, low-IQ trolls and conspiracy nutters. All the kewl conspiracy fruitcakes have moved on to more modern conspiracy theories. Denialism is an old fogey conspiracy theory now.

You are the "denier."

You deny the truth of Climate Change... and you cannot refute one word of it.

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

www.usmessageboard.com

Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

https://science.nasa.gov/dwarf-planets/pluto/facts/ Pluto has a thin, tenuous atmosphere that expands when it comes closer to the Sun and collapses as it moves farther away – similar to a comet. The main constituent is molecular nitrogen, though molecules of methane and carbon monoxide have...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ReinyDays]

That's essentially tossing in a fudge factor to get earth's average temp to match the "it's only S-B" theory.

To be taken seriously, a theory has to explain the current fast warming.

It could be claimed that the albedo feedback cycle explains all the warming.

However, that doesn't explain why we haven't seen such cycles in the recent past.

And, running the numbers, albedo feedback only explains about 10% of the current warming. Left to itself, albedo feedback would fade out. Albedo feedback just reinforces the greenhouse gas effects.

How are you defining "fast warming"? ... a single degree in 45 years? ... that's pretty weak ... we get a single degree warming per hour every morning it's not raining ... and there's nothing in SB that wouldn't confirm this ... just we have to add CO2 to the atmosphere by a power of 4 more to raise temperatures ... or are you claiming we're not adding CO2 fast enough? ...

Do you know what albedo is? ... solar radiation that is reflected back into space without being absorbed, and without increasing temperature on the surface ... very roughly 30% of the 1,360 W/m^2 ... you have this "feedback" backwards ... warmer surface temperatures raise humidity 7% per degree ... which causes an increase in average cloudiness ... which increases albedo, which then cools the Earth's surface ... this is a negative feedback ... one of the agents that gives us a robust climate ...

Do you have an alternative to a "fudge factor" in SB? ... it's a ratio, like in trigonometry ... we use them all the time in mathematics ... 1 is transparent, 0 is opaque ... do you have a better way? ... this is something I'm looking for, the numerical relationship between our "fudge factor" and CO2 concentrations ... we can figure the emissions in a free market, easy, but what will that do to radiative forcing? ...

We can test SB in the lab ... and we're fully aware of it's shortcomings ... but everything here in below 10,000K ... so SB works fine ...

Albedo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mamooth]

we get a single degree warming per hour every morning it's not raining

That's the "weather is the same as climate" nonsense.

Do you know what albedo is?

That's a fine deflection from the valid points I raised about your theory.

Do you have an alternative to a "fudge factor" in SB?

Well, yeah. Greenhouse gas warming. No fudge factors needed.

Again, if albedo is the sole controlling factor, why haven't we seen albdeo do the controlling in the recent past? Why didn't earth either melt out or freeze up completely and stay that way?

 

[ding]

That's the "weather is the same as climate" nonsense.


That's a fine deflection from the valid points I raised about your theory.


Well, yeah. Greenhouse gas warming. No fudge factors needed.

Again, if albedo is the sole controlling factor, why haven't we seen albdeo do the controlling in the recent past? Why didn't earth either melt out or freeze up completely and stay that way?

For the past 3 million years when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the oceans and the atmosphere warm. That's what's going on today.

 

[jc456]

That's the "weather is the same as climate" nonsense.


That's a fine deflection from the valid points I raised about your theory.


Well, yeah. Greenhouse gas warming. No fudge factors needed.

Again, if albedo is the sole controlling factor, why haven't we seen albdeo do the controlling in the recent past? Why didn't earth either melt out or freeze up completely and stay that way?

does climate have a timeframe?

 

[San Souci]

Man-made climate change is a fact.

This was settled a long time ago. Glad you finally caught up.

All Fake.

 

[jc456]

All Fake.

Ha can’t provide evidence to his position

 

[ding]

I think you're missing some context here. First, it doesn't matter what is causing glaciers to melt, they are melting. Second, we are adapted to the climate as we have it right now, ANY change will require major adjustments and there will be winners and losers. Lastly, while it is true climate has fluctuated widely in the past, it has often brought major extinctions and I'd rather my family wasn't on that list.

Here is the reality. The planet entered into an ice age approximately 3 to 5 million years ago. Plate tectonics led to thermally isolated polar regions. The south pole has a continent parked over it and the north pole has an ocean parked over it that is mostly isolated due to surrounding lands. The difference in how the polar regions are isolated from warm marine currents affects their temperature threshold for extensive glaciation and how far glaciers can spread. The southern pole will glaciate at a temperature that is 4 to 5C warmer than the northern hemisphere but the glaciers will spread in the northern hemisphere much more than they will in the southern hemisphere because of the surrounding lands. The ocean in the southern hemisphere effectively moderates glaciation because it requires a much colder temperature to spread over water than it does land. Whereas in the northern hemisphere glaciation can spread to fairly significant parts of three continents - NA, Europe and Asia - at a temperature that is only 2C colder than today.

It is for this reason that the northern hemisphere has been driving the climate of the planet for the past 3 to 5 million years. When the northern hemisphere glaciates, the entire planet - oceans and atmosphere will cool. When the northern hemisphere deglaciates the entire planet will warm - oceans and the atmosphere.

After you have verified everything that I have just told you I will be glad to share the next part with you but you have to decide which pill you are going top swallow. Do you want to know the truth or are you happy living your life the way it is.

 

[Robert W]

Here is the reality. The planet entered into an ice age approximately 3 to 5 million years ago. Plate tectonics led to thermally isolated polar regions. The south pole has a continent parked over it and the north pole has an ocean parked over it that is mostly isolated due to surrounding lands. The difference in how the polar regions are isolated from warm marine currents affects their temperature threshold for extensive glaciation and how far glaciers can spread. The southern pole will glaciate at a temperature that is 4 to 5C warmer than the northern hemisphere but the glaciers will spread in the northern hemisphere much more than they will in the southern hemisphere because of the surrounding lands. The ocean in the southern hemisphere effectively moderates glaciation because it requires a much colder temperature to spread over water than it does land. Whereas in the northern hemisphere glaciation can spread to fairly significant parts of three continents - NA, Europe and Asia - at a temperature that is only 2C colder than today.

It is for this reason that the northern hemisphere has been driving the climate of the planet for the past 3 to 5 million years. When the northern hemisphere glaciates, the entire planet - oceans and atmosphere will cool. When the northern hemisphere deglaciates the entire planet will warm - oceans and the atmosphere.

After you have verified everything that I have just told you I will be glad to share the next part with you but you have to decide which pill you are going top swallow. Do you want to know the truth or are you happy living your life the way it is.

Why do they think man is in charge of climate? They won't claim they are in charge? Well what man do they blame. Actually let's say the planet warmed 3 degrees in 150 years, so what?