'Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic'?

[Humanity]

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

Read your last sentence and you will see the racist remark as clear as day. A term you use frequently that under British law is seen as being racist.

Oh Phoney, stop making shit up man...

Got a link ??

P to R: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service


"A racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins." The definition is wide and victims may come within the definition under more than one of the references. Gypsies and some travellers, refugees or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities would be included within this definition.

a) at the time of the offence (or shortly before or after), the offender demonstrates to the victim hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group, or

b) the offence is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership (or presumed membership) of that group.

So you see you are a RACIST now hand yourself in

What a schmuck you are Phoney...

Another Phoney BS Fail...

You just couldn't make this shit up... OOppsss...

YOU DO!

 

[Mindful]

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

Read your last sentence and you will see the racist remark as clear as day. A term you use frequently that under British law is seen as being racist.

Oh Phoney, stop making shit up man...

Got a link ??

P to R: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service


"A racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins." The definition is wide and victims may come within the definition under more than one of the references. Gypsies and some travellers, refugees or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities would be included within this definition.

a) at the time of the offence (or shortly before or after), the offender demonstrates to the victim hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group, or

b) the offence is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership (or presumed membership) of that group.

So you see you are a RACIST now hand yourself in

What a schmuck you are Phoney...

Another Phoney BS Fail...

You just couldn't make this shit up... OOppsss...

YOU DO!

If I crave this expletive hurling, and vacuous teenager sort of stuff, I can go to the Badlands. You could too, and enjoy yourself to your heart's content.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

If I crave this expletive hurling, and vacuous teenager sort of stuff, I can go to the Badlands. You could too, and enjoy yourself to your heart's content.

It's a good thing he shares certain opinions on the world, otherwise he would be flagged for this obvious violation of the policies of this sub-forum which indicate such postings are not allowed. I have seen dozens of these from him and certain other antisemitic posters, however.

Those who focus their hatred on Jews do share a certain sense of camaraderie, don't they?

As to the op, it should be obvious to anybody with a functioning intellect that these obsessions on demonizing a small ethnicity are not the product of any sort of rational approach to the world, as the zealotry, itself, is a tip-off as to the deranged nature of the passion.

 

[Mindful]

If I crave this expletive hurling, and vacuous teenager sort of stuff, I can go to the Badlands. You could too, and enjoy yourself to your heart's content.

It's a good thing he shares certain opinions on the world, otherwise he would be flagged for this obvious violation of the policies of this sub-forum which indicate such postings are not allowed. I have seen dozens of these from him and certain other antisemitic posters, however.

Those who focus their hatred on Jews do share a certain sense of camaraderie, don't they?

As to the op, it should be obvious to anybody with a functioning intellect that these obsessions on demonizing a small ethnicity are not the product of any sort of rational approach to the world, as the zealotry, itself, is a tip-off as to the deranged nature of the passion.

It's the dishonest cloaking of language in so called PC terms that's the thing. Use of Zionist, when we know damn well what they mean. That term is rarely used in every day parlance amongst normal people.

Then there's the rest...........

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's the dishonest cloaking of language in so called PC terms that's the thing. Use of Zionist, when we know damn well what they mean. That term is rarely used in every day parlance amongst normal people.

Then there's the rest...........

Yep. When the term Zionism is used as if it is some sort of obvious epithet, the suggestion thus given is that self-determination for Jewish people is such an abomination that the mere suggestion that Jews should be afforded the same self-determination of any other is too horrible to even contemplate.

These dolts actually think they are being subtle when they replace the word Jew with Zionist while repeating every possible antisemitic canard.

In a way, I almost prefer the right wing Nazis to the left wing. At least the right wing Nazis are straightforward about it. The left wing Nazis all play the same game of indulging in their ethnic hatred while immediately denying they have done so.

 

[montelatici]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

 

[Mindful]

Do sit down.

 

[Roudy]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

As soon as you reduce your criticism to hate speech by using terms out of context then you become a racist. It took 20 years from the end of the war for people to realise that the words used by Germans from the 1930's were racist terms in their contextual meanings. Because we are more enlightened and educated we can see when YOU use such terms as Zionist, hasbara et al as RACIST HATE SPEECH because we understand your contextual meanings.

Ah Phoney, no surprise that you THINK you know everything...

But, unfortunately, you don't...

You clearly delusional and every post you make simply shows that you really know nothing and are one of the most hate filled 'contributors' on this board...

Link?

 

[Roudy]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

 

[SAYIT]

Yeah, except....Almost all Jews have always been Jews ancestrally. Europeans, Middle Eastern, etc. so your argument discrediting today's Jews as real Jews, is null and void. That is a another favorite antisemite / antizionist argument "today's Jews aren't really Jews, they're actually all converts to Judaism, so no ties to Israel". That's just about the most delusional moronic thing that I've heard. Funny part is they actually think that people believe this stupid crap.

No they have not....Most were other peoples who converted to Judiaism,really Roudy.

Yeah ... because for generations people have lined up to become Jews!

You continue to spout the Nazi lines, Bubba. Evidently it is your nature.

Hamas is just a Stalinist terrorist org without claim to legitimacy. Not possible to create a State while Hamas is in control of Gaza. I would suggest that the first move of Palestinian supporters is to get rid of Hamas and free the people

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Hamas was created by the Muslim Bro-hood as a social services organization and formed its military wing to defend against the PLO. Why do you post such consistently silly propaganda?

 

[montelatici]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

 

[Mindful]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

What happened to the title of the thread?

 

[Mindful]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

 

[montelatici]

The

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.[/QUOTE

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

Well, yes. The facts don't change so they tend to remain the same. Inconvenient truths enrage propagandists such as yourself. Do you think your kind can pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

And it certainly is germane to the thread. It supports the fact that criticizing expropriation and exploitation of native people by colonizers and occupiers cannot be antisemitic as colonizers of all religions, race, ethnicity, nationality can be equally criticized.

 

[Mindful]

The

re

Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

Well, yes. The facts don't change so they tend to remain the same. Inconvenient truths enrage propagandists such as yourself. Do you think your kind can pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

And it certainly is germane to the thread. It supports the fact that criticizing expropriation and exploitation of native people by colonizers and occupiers cannot be antisemitic as colonizers of all religions, race, ethnicity, nationality can be equally criticized.

We're not talking about colonialists.

What did you mean by "your kind"?

 

[Coyote]

I would agree with 1, 3 and 4.

#2 - not so much. Look at the people who post here. Many tend to have their own particular areas of interest and specialization and passion. What drives people to "single out" Israel might be the same thing which drives people to, at one time, "single out" South Africa, or "single out" Burma. There seems to be this expectation that once must be equitable in condemnations around the world and that expectation only comes up with Israel.

I know you feel compelled to defend your Islamist and Nazi friends here, but when your fellow antisemites single out Israel, they do so because it is the one Jewish state in the world.

The double standards used to attack the Jewish state are so obvious in the way that NOBODY else in the world is attacked for anything even remotely similar removes any doubt as to the ethnic basis of your hatred. Especially considering your automatic defense of those with the very worst human rights abuses in the world, your concern here has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with antisemitism.

I've never seen you speak out about human rights abuses. Where were you when the Congo was discussed, Burma, India or Mexico? Your voice was absent from those threads I had started, in fact - most of the voices here were. If Congolese women and children are being brutally raped - you don't give damn. If it's not Jewish, or if it's not Muslim - who cares? Very few apparently. You only ever speak up when Muslims are the perpetrators and you label anyone who dare's disagree "anti-semite". You are exactly the kind of person this thread is about - someone who uses the anti-semite card to shut down opposing arguments because you can't debate different points of view in a rational fashion.

I'll ask, but I doubt you'll provide anything - where have I ever defended the very worst human rights abuses? LINK? You say that, and then run away every time. If you can't find a link then admit you are a liar who is incapable of debate and must resort to trashing the people around you instead.

 

[montelatici]

The
Excluding very few Islamist fanatics that post here, the neutral's position vis-a-vis the Israeli Jews is no different than their position was or would have been towards the whites in Apartheid South Africa, the French in Algeria, the whites in Rhodesia etc.

For example, there was no hate for the Europeans that ruled South Africa, what was hated was their policies and their insistence that South Africa would have to remain a white-ruled nation through the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population.

Accusing anyone that criticizes Israel in this section of the forum, dedicated to the I/P conflict, is childish and absurd. You demand that Israeli Jews be given a pass for their brutal treatment of a population as large as their own, forget about it, it isn't going to happen. There is plenty of Muslim bashing, for good reason, in the Middle East and Europe sections, and I am one of the bashers, go there if you want to observe the criticizing of the actions of Muslim ruled states for behaving as the Israeli state behaves.

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

Well, yes. The facts don't change so they tend to remain the same. Inconvenient truths enrage propagandists such as yourself. Do you think your kind can pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

And it certainly is germane to the thread. It supports the fact that criticizing expropriation and exploitation of native people by colonizers and occupiers cannot be antisemitic as colonizers of all religions, race, ethnicity, nationality can be equally criticized.

We're not talking about colonialists.

What did you mean by "your kind"?

What do you mean they weren't colonists? What were they, day trippers, tourists? The Zionists were colonists and they were proud of it.

Zionists.

 

[Mindful]

How many times have you been told that nobody's buying your Israel / South Africa comparison? Whites were not in South Africa thousands of years before the blacks, nor did they maintain a presence and keep coming back to South Africa for thousands of years despite the many invasions and pogroms, nor is South Africa the religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land of the whites for 3000 years, as it is with Israel and the Jews. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the differences. Other things could be mentioned such as equal rights to the two million Arab Muslim citizens in Israel, and Arab Muslim representatives in the Israeli Parlaiment.

Nor does it have anything absolutely to do with the topic of this thread and in fact anything on this forum. But hey, go ahead and post it another 5000 times, just like those five irrelevant loser documents you somehow inject into every thread.

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

Well, yes. The facts don't change so they tend to remain the same. Inconvenient truths enrage propagandists such as yourself. Do you think your kind can pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

And it certainly is germane to the thread. It supports the fact that criticizing expropriation and exploitation of native people by colonizers and occupiers cannot be antisemitic as colonizers of all religions, race, ethnicity, nationality can be equally criticized.

We're not talking about colonialists.

What did you mean by "your kind"?

What do you mean they weren't colonists? What were they, day trippers, tourists? The Zionists were colonists and they were proud of it.

Zionists.

What did you mean: "your kind"?

 

[montelatici]

Well, not that it makes any difference. The European Jews hadn't been going "back", they had never been to Palestine. That's a bunch of self-serving bullshit. A myth that only Jews believe does not change the moral compass. The Koran might tell Muslims that non-believers must be converted, I not only reject that, I find it absurd and despicable, just as I reject and find despicable the biblical justification for the expropriation of the non-Jews of Palestine.

But, we have a more recent example of expropriation of the native people. Former American slave groups expropriated the native people living in what was to become Liberia and colonized. They lived separate from the natives and were able to maintain absolute rule for 130 years until finally overthrown by the native people, led by the native leader Samuel Doe in 1980.

The colonization and exploitation of the native people by the Americo-Liberians for 130 years can't be justified by the suffering caused by slavery or by the claim that the Americo-Liberian's ancestors came from Africa.

That notwithstanding, the dynamics of the European colonization of Rhodesia and South Africa are no different than the European colonization of Palestine.

You parrot this self same stuff on every thread you infest.

No doubt you'd do it on a gardening thread. Confusing growing cucumbers with your intense obsessions.

Well, yes. The facts don't change so they tend to remain the same. Inconvenient truths enrage propagandists such as yourself. Do you think your kind can pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

And it certainly is germane to the thread. It supports the fact that criticizing expropriation and exploitation of native people by colonizers and occupiers cannot be antisemitic as colonizers of all religions, race, ethnicity, nationality can be equally criticized.

We're not talking about colonialists.

What did you mean by "your kind"?

What do you mean they weren't colonists? What were they, day trippers, tourists? The Zionists were colonists and they were proud of it.

Zionists.

What did you mean: "your kind"?

Zionists.