Anti-Semitism Explained

[MHunterB]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

 

[MHunterB]

As to Sunny's equivocating post that he is 'more of a revisionist':

NO. You remain among the 'deniers', for you deny the *intent* of Nazi policies and actions was murderous. You deny that it was deliberate and pretend all those millions of people died 'accidentally'.

It doesn't fool anyone. Not only are you a Holocaust denier, you're a coward and a liar.

 

[dreolin]

I'd like to point out to everyone that the US has no laws against Holocaust denial. NONE.

And yet so many people keep 'attacking' over those laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial:
1 Overview and commentary
2 By country 2.1 Austria
2.2 Belgium
2.3 Bosnia and Herzegovina
2.4 Czech Republic
2.5 France
2.6 Germany 2.6.1 § 130 Public incitement
2.6.2 Other sections

2.7 Hungary
2.8 Israel
2.9 Liechtenstein
2.10 Lithuania
2.11 Luxembourg
2.12 Netherlands
2.13 Poland
2.14 Portugal
2.15 Romania
2.16 Spain
2.17 Switzerland

3 European Union
4 Prosecutions and convictions
5 See also
6 References
7 External links


Here's my question: Given the opinion of so many that 'the Jews have an unduly strong influence over the US and its laws and policies' - why is it that there is no such law in the US?

Does anyone else understand that omission as an anomaly ? How do you explain it?
It should be obvious by now that whoever the 'they' is in 'What are they afraid of? - it is not American Jews.

It is clear that such law would be struck down by the Supreme Court.

Your link doesn't seem to work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

 

[GHook93]

Great you're a liberal Jew or as I call them ignorant fools who believe if you're some fake compasion to your enemies that will never show you the same compasion once they get the upper hand. Wrong, try to find and understanding no doubt, but be mindful of your enemy and their motives, never weaken yourself to the benefit of your enemies. Never keep your guard down and don't give in before the final bell rings. Fools like you will apologize for Islamist, believe open borders is a good thing and bashing Israel for fighting back, sometimes in very brutal ways, agains the Arabs aggressor.

One advantage of a 14 year-old computer is a 14 year-old Texts Directory with all my scribblings from over the years. Consequently this post. And while I don't expect slobbering anti-semites to read it and think "Oh wow, how wrong I've been!" I figure some will benefit from it.

It occurs that rather than argue with every antisemitic poster in every thread I should just post some info from actual Jewish and Zionist sources revealing our positions. Not that I believe truth can combat hate, but it might prove helpful for some of the fence-sitters. First, let's explain a bit about the Jewish view of non-Jews since that comes up rather a lot:

• You don't have to be Jewish to find favor in G-d's eyes
• G-d gave only seven basic commandments to gentiles
• Yiddish words for gentiles are goy, shiksa and shkutz
• Judaism does not approve of interfaith marriage, but it is very common
• Jews do not proselytize, but it is possible to convert to Judaism

"Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.

Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people. Although we refer to ourselves as G-d's chosen people, we do not believe that G-d chose the Jews because of any inherent superiority. According to the Talmud (Avodah Zarah 2b), G-d offered the Torah to all the nations of the earth, and the Jews were the only ones who accepted it. The story goes on to say that the Jews were offered the Torah last, and accepted it only because G-d held a mountain over their heads! (In Ex. 19:17, the words generally translated as "at the foot of the mountain" literally mean "underneath the mountain"!) Another traditional story suggests that G-d chose the Jewish nation because they were the lowliest of nations, and their success would be attributed to G-d's might rather than their own ability. Clearly, these are not the ideas of a people who think they are better than other nations.

Because of our acceptance of Torah, Jews have a special status in the eyes of G-d, but we lose that special status when we abandon Torah. Furthermore, the blessings that we received from G-d by accepting the Torah come with a high price: Jews have a greater responsibility than non-Jews. While non-Jews are only obligated to obey the seven commandments given to Noah, Jews are responsible for fulfilling the 613 mitzvot in the Torah, thus G-d will punish Jews for doing things that would not be a sin for non-Jews."

Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews


"Zionism: The national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. Has come to include the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel.

Zionism avocated, from inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions - left and right, religious and secular - joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained.

The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.
Types of Zionism:
General Zionism | Messianic Zionism | Revisionist Zionism | Christian Zionism | Socialist Zionism"

A Definition of Zionism | Jewish Virtual Library


"Anti-Semitism (also Antisemitism) is the prejudice, discrimination, and hatred of Jews as a national, ethnic, religious, or racial group.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," a text debunked many years ago as a fraud perpetrated by Czarist intelligence agents, continued to appear in the Middle East media, not as a hoax, but as established fact. Government-sponsored television in Syria ran lengthy serials based on the Protocols. The presentations emphasized blood libel and the alleged control by the Jewish community of international finance. The clear purpose of the programs was to incite hatred of Jews and of Israel. Copies of the Protocols and other similar anti-Semitic forgeries were readily available in Middle Eastern countries, former Soviet republics and elsewhere. Similarly, allegations that Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks were widely disseminated."

Report on Global Anti-Semitism (2004)



During the Cold War, Soviets had a term for westeners working on behalf of Sovet interests: "useful idiot." That is, they mocked and disparaged Americans and others who were pro-communist for their efforts to spread communist dogma throughout democratic nations. I guess because the communists themselves knew the downside but were trapped within those political systems.

Today, the antisemites are repeating the same sort of "idiot" mentality working on behalf of pro-Islamic forces while insisting they don't like Islamicists any more than Jews. Judaism might not be your cup of tea (and surely a religion which tolerates other faiths, and doesn't insist you must become like us for G-d to love you is obviously the worst thing in the world) but we're not cutting people's heads off when they don't convert to Judaism or Christianity.

By perpetuating antisemitic ideology, you're only helping Islamic interests. If that's your goal fine, but if you're of the American conservative persuassion worrying about Sharia Law in the US, and similar "threats" then ask yourself why you would side with those very same Islamics against the Jews. "The enemy of my enemy may be my friend."

 

[Iceman]

Jews have been thrown out of multiple countries(every European country and several in the Middle East) hundreds of times over 2000 years, but something is wrong with everyone else but the Jews...

The arrogance of these people is astonishing.

 

[CharlieH]

No Jews no wars.

 

[dreolin]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

Is "outside pressure" your loophole phrase?

A lot of the laws mentioned aren't Holocaust denial laws per se but are laws in broader scope that roll holocaust denial in.

I think, in many cases, Jewish groups or organizations are behind the prosecutions under such laws.

I am not really sure what your point is.

Also, you may want to look into the Holocaust Denial laws in Australia and see which groups are fighting against their repeal...mostly Jewish groups or Jewish individuals. So what, but why try to shove it of on someone else and say they are not behind it or have little to do with it, if that is what you are saying.

 

[Roudy]

Jews have been thrown out of multiple countries(every European country and several in the Middle East) hundreds of times over 2000 years, but something is wrong with everyone else but the Jews...

The arrogance of these people is astonishing.

Wow he repeats anti Semitic bullshit like a fucking parrot.

Can you asswipes ever come up with something original?

 

[Roudy]

No Jews no wars.

No Nazis no toilets.

 

[Roudy]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

Is "outside pressure" your loophole phrase?

A lot of the laws mentioned aren't Holocaust denial laws per se but are laws in broader scope that roll holocaust denial in.

I think, in many cases, Jewish groups or organizations are behind the prosecutions under such laws.

I am not really sure what your point is.

Also, you may want to look into the Holocaust Denial laws in Australia and see which groups are fighting against their repeal...mostly Jewish groups or Jewish individuals. So what, but why try to shove it of on someone else and say they are not behind it or have little to do with it, if that is what you are saying.

You have a problem with Holocaust Denial laws? Write a letter to the German Government and let them know your thoughts. Perhaps they, the perpetrators of the Holocaust, found a reason for it to be necessary.

 

[Iceman]

Roudy, you jealous no one cares about the Kurds? You should be happy your people are historically irrelevant, as opposed to historically disliked...

 

[Whip]

Fukin' Hasbara. Make me sick. Ajit Vadakayil: HASBARA , JEWISH PROPAGANDA ON SOCIAL MEDIA WORSE THAN GOEBBELISM ? CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, you jealous no one cares about the Kurds? You should be happy your people are historically irrelevant, as opposed to historically disliked...

Ha ha. Keep guessing ya Nazi dipshit. You should wear a condom on your head because if you're gonna act like a dick you might as well dress like one.

 

[Coyote]

Fukin' Hasbara. Make me sick. Ajit Vadakayil: HASBARA , JEWISH PROPAGANDA ON SOCIAL MEDIA WORSE THAN GOEBBELISM ? CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

From your source: The Jewish crimes are now known to the white Christian man who died in millions to carve out the state of Israel in two World Wars , hijacked by Jews Winston Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt and Gen Eisenhower- all stooges of Rothschild.

You realize this is an utter crap source? Just saying....

I see little of value beyond pointing my finger and laughing hysterically....except, idiots like you really believe this stuff

 

[Coyote]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

Is "outside pressure" your loophole phrase?

A lot of the laws mentioned aren't Holocaust denial laws per se but are laws in broader scope that roll holocaust denial in.

I think, in many cases, Jewish groups or organizations are behind the prosecutions under such laws.

I am not really sure what your point is.

Also, you may want to look into the Holocaust Denial laws in Australia and see which groups are fighting against their repeal...mostly Jewish groups or Jewish individuals. So what, but why try to shove it of on someone else and say they are not behind it or have little to do with it, if that is what you are saying.

You make good points - do you mean laws that are less specifically Holocaust denial and more anti-hate speech?

 

[Votto]

No, no. You people have it all wrong. Here is anti-Semitism explained.

 

[Coyote]

No Jews no wars.

Uh....what?

WW1
Vietnam
N Korea
Iraq
Afghanistan
Rwanda
Croatian War
Seirra Leone
Algerian War of Independence
Georgian Civil War
East Prigorodny Conflict
Somali Civil War
Bosnian War
Cenapa War


....trying to figure out how Jews were involved....or could have prevented these (a partial list) of wars....

 

[Coyote]

No, no. You people have it all wrong. Here is anti-Semitism explained.

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mmhh...really bad fashion sense?


You might have a point...

 

[MHunterB]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

Is "outside pressure" your loophole phrase?

A lot of the laws mentioned aren't Holocaust denial laws per se but are laws in broader scope that roll holocaust denial in.

I think, in many cases, Jewish groups or organizations are behind the prosecutions under such laws.

I am not really sure what your point is.

Also, you may want to look into the Holocaust Denial laws in Australia and see which groups are fighting against their repeal...mostly Jewish groups or Jewish individuals. So what, but why try to shove it of on someone else and say they are not behind it or have little to do with it, if that is what you are saying.

Fighting against the repeal -IMHO - is not the same thing as suggesting such laws in the first place. And I was unaware that repeal was even being considered in Australia, or anyplace else: do you have a link?

My 'point', such as it was, was that *individual nations have created such laws as those individual nations' citizens thought best, for their (national) individual reasons* I do not see a reason to regard the enactment of such laws as anything but revulsion and a means to signal rejection of the Nazi enterprise.

I have no idea what your bolded "question" is supposed to mean.

As for the prosecution of violation of such laws being due to 'Jewish groups' - I doubt it. DA's do not proceed unless there is a good chance of obtaining a conviction: if there had been no violation, there'd be no case to prosecute.

If you disapprove of such prosecution, that of course is your right. I wonder, do you feel any sense of disgust when someone proclaims that the Irish wildly exaggerated the extent of the Famine, or claims the conditions on the 'coffin ships' were also exaggerated - or perhaps due to the actions of the Irish themselves? (NB: I absolutely hold no such view, I am simply attempting to give a possible 'comparative' to much Holocaust denial as we've read in this very thread....)

 

[dreolin]

Indeed: the Wiki article describes the different legal systems involved and explains the 'omission' in the US. It also describes the debate between different(actual credentialed) historians.

The various nations have made such laws based on their own 'national' perceptions. Australia has such a law - despite having a minute Jewish population. The passing of such laws cannot be reasonably attributed to 'Jewish pressure'.....but of course 'reasonably' des not apply to bigots and conspiranutter 'True Believers'.

Israel has such a law because it is home to the greatest percentage of Holocaust survivors. I think it's understandable on that basis, never mind anyone's religion.....

I suspect if one were to research the topic, that each nation enacting such Holocaust denial laws had its own particular reasons for doing so - whether or not one agrees with those reasons, I do not see any evidence of any 'outside pressure' being involved.

Is "outside pressure" your loophole phrase?

A lot of the laws mentioned aren't Holocaust denial laws per se but are laws in broader scope that roll holocaust denial in.

I think, in many cases, Jewish groups or organizations are behind the prosecutions under such laws.

I am not really sure what your point is.

Also, you may want to look into the Holocaust Denial laws in Australia and see which groups are fighting against their repeal...mostly Jewish groups or Jewish individuals. So what, but why try to shove it of on someone else and say they are not behind it or have little to do with it, if that is what you are saying.

You have a problem with Holocaust Denial laws? Write a letter to the German Government and let them know your thoughts. Perhaps they, the perpetrators of the Holocaust, found a reason for it to be necessary.

I have a problem with any legislation that prohibits free speech, and that includes your insignificant and meaningless meandering. All Holocaust denial laws really accomplish is to allow those who deny the Holocaust to be viewed by many as champions of free speech, turning what should be villains into would be heroes by confusing the issue. Perhaps you would rather have these people discuss history in hushed tones in a beer hall.

As ar as I am concerned, any American who embraces such laws is betraying the ideals of our Constitution. We should be peacefully spreading our way of life to the rest of the world in word and deed, not the other way around.

Why should I write Germany? Why would they listen to me? I am not German.