Antarctica has grown ice for more than 2.7 million years, disproving "interglacials" completely

Oh, you mean like maybe an extreme weather event? LOL



Your side freaks out over a 1 degree record high, claims that's planetary "warming," and then uses "extreme weather" when it is a record low by 1 degree.

Hint- if a planet was warming for 150 years, there would be NO RECORD LOWS....
 


Very cold in Antarctica now and ice is above the 1979 average

And China still emits double USA CO2
 
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Very cold in Antarctica now and ice is above the 1979 average

And China still emits double USA CO2




Antarctica has grown ice for 40 million years and is still doing so.

Anyone who says otherwise is a complete a total liar.
 
Antarctica has grown ice for 40 million years and is still doing so.

Anyone who says otherwise is a complete a total liar.
The volcanoes under West Antarctica are causing some melting, but overall it’s been gaining
 
The last refuge of the CO2 FRAUD is essentially "water causes ice," that "ocean currents" cause "ice ages."

Pretty sad, as even a 5th grader knows water is too warm to cause ice, but that is where CO2 FRAUD is pinned.

The CO2 FRAUD defines an "interglacial" as

We call times with large ice sheets “glacial periods” (or ice ages) and times without large ice sheets “interglacial periods.” The most recent glacial period occurred between about 120,000 and 11,500 years ago. Since then, Earth has been in an interglacial period called the Holocene


which is completely refuted by the truth of Antarctica's ice core...



But as Paul Voosen reports for Science, the team recently dug even deeper into Earth's glacial history, unearthing an ice core that dates back 2.7 million years.



What is an ice age?





Can anyone here find one piece of land today not in ice age that is within 600 miles of a pole?

NO

Can anyone here find one piece of land in ice age outside of 600 miles of a pole?

NO


100% correlation

NO refutation


"Glacials" and "Interglacials" are 100% pure bullshit and proven so by Antarctica's ice core.
“Glacial” and “interglacial” aren’t arbitrary labels or fraud. They’re defined by the presence and extent of continental ice sheets over tens of thousands of years, which is exactly what ice cores, sediment layers, and other proxies track. Antarctica’s ice cores don’t refute the concepts; they provide the detailed data that allow scientists to identify glacial cycles, temperature trends, and CO2 variations across millions of years.

The idea that these terms are “pure bullshit” confuses terminology with complexity. Ice ages aren’t single events where the whole planet freezes at once; they’re periods of extended cold with large ice sheets. Interglacials are warmer phases between these periods. The correlation with poles exists because that’s where ice sheets form and persist. That’s not a flaw in the concept; it’s the very definition of the phenomena.
 
When land gets to 600 miles of an Earth pole, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during "summer" and hence starts to stack.


Stack for 1+ million years = Greenland 700k cubic miles of ice = 7% of Earth ice
Stack for 40 million years = Antarctica 8 million cubic miles of ice = 90% of Earth ice

The two continent specific ice ages of today account for 97% of Earth ice, 97.3% if you count Ellesmere island. The rest, all 2.7%, is sea ice and mountain tops...
Yes, most of Earth’s ice is concentrated on Greenland and Antarctica. That’s exactly why “glacial” and “interglacial” periods are defined the way they are: they describe the expansion and contraction of these massive continental ice sheets over geological time.

The stacking mechanism you describe, snowfall accumulating when summer melt is insufficient, is precisely how ice sheets grow. It doesn’t contradict climate science; it’s the physical process that underpins the terminology. Ice ages aren’t about sudden freezing everywhere, they’re about long-term changes in ice sheet mass and extent, which is exactly what these numbers illustrate.
 
Then you are aware that CO2 is not the cause of Earth climate change.
Ice sheet growth is driven by orbital cycles, solar insolation, and local temperature-precipitation dynamics. That’s how glacial periods form naturally. That doesn’t mean CO2 has no effect on climate. In fact, ice cores show CO2 levels and temperature rise and fall together, and the rapid increase in CO2 from human emissions today is unprecedented in speed compared with natural cycles.

Natural processes explain past ice ages, but the current warming trend can’t be explained by orbital cycles alone. The physics of greenhouse gases shows that additional CO2 traps heat, amplifying warming. Understanding natural mechanisms doesn’t negate the role of CO2 in modern climate change.
 
Really, so ice GROWS during an "interglacial" except that's not the definition...


"An interglacial period is a geological interval of warmer global temperatures lasting thousands of years that separates consecutive glacial periods within an ice age. Characterized by retreating ice sheets and rising sea levels, the current interglacial, known as the Holocene, began approximately 11,700 years ago. "



Too funny...


Can you show us a PHOTO documenting "ocean rise," and when you can't explain why you can't....
You're misrepresenting the definition of an interglacial. Interglacials are warmer periods between glacial periods, which often involve partial retreat of ice sheets, not the complete disappearance of all ice. Ice retreat is relative, not total.

As for “show me a photo of ocean rise” that’s a misunderstanding of scale and timescales. Sea level changes occur gradually over decades to millennia, and no single photo can capture it. Instead, scientists rely on tide gauge records, satellite altimetry, and geological markers to track sea level rise.
 
Yes, most of Earth’s ice is concentrated on Greenland and Antarctica. That’s exactly why “glacial” and “interglacial” periods are defined the way they are: they describe the expansion and contraction of these massive continental ice sheets over geological time.
That's not exactly correct. The glacial cycles are driven by the northern hemisphere; specifically the Arctic. The effect of which is felt worldwide - oceans and atmosphere - and even at the south pole.

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Ice sheet growth is driven by orbital cycles, solar insolation, and local temperature-precipitation dynamics. That’s how glacial periods form naturally. That doesn’t mean CO2 has no effect on climate. In fact, ice cores show CO2 levels and temperature rise and fall together, and the rapid increase in CO2 from human emissions today is unprecedented in speed compared with natural cycles.
Orbital cycles are a red herring. It's ocean currents distributing or not distributing heat to the northern latitudes. When heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic is disrupted because of density/salinity changes (which are temperature dependent), the northern hemisphere glaciates. When heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic resumes the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is doing today and the oceans and atmosphere warm until the next glacial phase is triggered.

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That's not exactly correct. The glacial cycles are driven by the northern hemisphere; specifically the Arctic. The effect of which is felt worldwide - oceans and atmosphere - and even at the south pole.

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You're right that glacial cycles are strongly influenced by northern hemisphere insolation changes, particularly in the Arctic, which act as a trigger for feedbacks across oceans and the atmosphere. That said, the definitions of "glacial" and "interglacial" are still based on the growth and retreat of the major continental ice sheets, primarily Greenland and Antarctica, because their mass dominates Earth's ice total.

In other words, Arctic orbital changes can initiate the cycles, but the net global glacial/interglacial state is measured by how these massive ice sheets expand or shrink. One explains the driver, the other defines the metric.
 
Natural processes explain past ice ages, but the current warming trend can’t be explained by orbital cycles alone. The physics of greenhouse gases shows that additional CO2 traps heat, amplifying warming. Understanding natural mechanisms doesn’t negate the role of CO2 in modern climate change.
Not when you realize the northern hemisphere is deglaciating because heat is being circulated by ocean currents from the Atlantic to the Arctic. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty INCREASED when the planet became bipolar glaciated.
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The reason for increased climate fluctuations is because the present temperature is close to the Arctic's threshold for extensive continental glaciation while the southern pole (Antarctica) is not. Just look at the annotations and data of the oxygen isotope curve and you will see that each pole has a different threshold for extensive continental glaciation. The threshold for extensive continental glaciation of south pole is like 5 degrees C warmer than today. Whereas threshold for extensive continental glaciation of north pole is like 2 degrees C cooler than today.

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Orbital cycles are a red herring. It's ocean currents distributing or not distributing heat to the northern latitudes. When heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic is disrupted because of density/salinity changes (which are temperature dependent), the northern hemisphere glaciates. When heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic resumes the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is doing today and the oceans and atmosphere warm until the next glacial phase is triggered.

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The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) and its role in transporting heat northward absolutely contributes to regional ice growth and retreat in the Northern Hemisphere, and it interacts with orbital forcing, solar insolation, and other factors.

The key point is that these natural cycles explain the timing of glacial and interglacial periods, but they don’t explain the current rapid rise in global temperatures. The speed and scale of CO2 increase from human activity today far exceed the natural variations that previously drove these cycles, so even if the AMOC or ocean currents fluctuate, the underlying warming trend is being supercharged by anthropogenic CO2.
 
Not when you realize the northern hemisphere is deglaciating because heat is being circulated by ocean currents from the Atlantic to the Arctic. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty INCREASED when the planet became bipolar glaciated.
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The reason for increased climate fluctuations is because the present temperature is close to the Arctic's threshold for extensive continental glaciation while the southern pole (Antarctica) is not. Just look at the annotations and data of the oxygen isotope curve and you will see that each pole has a different threshold for extensive continental glaciation. The threshold for extensive continental glaciation of south pole is like 5 degrees C warmer than today. Whereas threshold for extensive continental glaciation of north pole is like 2 degrees C cooler than today.

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I understand the mechanism you’re describing.

The distinction is that this explains past natural fluctuations and regional differences, but it doesn’t explain the unprecedented rate of global warming today. Human driven CO2 emissions are increasing atmospheric concentrations faster than natural processes have ever done, which adds a radiative forcing that is independent of these regional ice thresholds. In other words, even if ocean circulation continues to redistribute heat, the background warming is being amplified by anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
 
You're right that glacial cycles are strongly influenced by northern hemisphere insolation changes, particularly in the Arctic, which act as a trigger for feedbacks across oceans and the atmosphere.
No. Not strongly influenced. The climate of the planet is driven by what happens in the northern hemisphere. Even today, the warmest average temperature readings of the planet occur when the northern hemisphere receives the most sunlight and the coldest average temperature readings of the planet occur when the northern hemisphere receives the least sunlight.

And it's not insolation, it's heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic. It is well understood by the climate community what would happen if that heat circulation were to be disrupted. And when it happens it will be undeniable. And that's when all of this silliness will end and real science can begin.



 
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No. Not strongly influenced. The climate of the planet is driven by what happens in the northern hemisphere. Even today, the warmest average temperature readings of the planet occur when the northern hemisphere receives the most sunlight and the coldest average temperature readings of the planet occur when the northern hemisphere receives the least sunlight.

And it's not insolation, it's heat distribution from the Atlantic to the Arctic. It is well understood by the climate community what would happen if that heat circulation were to be disrupted. And when it happens it will be undeniable. And that's when all of this silliness will end and real science can begin.


I understand your point, and that is indeed the primary driver of large-scale ice sheet growth and retreat. The asymmetry between hemispheres matters because most of the landmass and ice is in the north, so orbital-driven sunlight changes there have outsized effects on global climate.

That said, domination doesn’t mean the southern hemisphere is irrelevant. Antarctic ice, ocean currents, and global feedbacks still respond to and interact with northern insolation changes. The global climate system is coupled. What happens in the Arctic sets off chains of response worldwide, but the southern pole, oceans, and atmosphere also modulate and amplify the effects.
 
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particularly in the Arctic, which act as a trigger for feedbacks across oceans and the atmosphere.
Do you know why the northern hemisphere and not the southern hemisphere triggers the feedbacks?
 
In other words, Arctic orbital changes can initiate the cycles,
I don't believe so. I believe it is ocean currents which triggers ABRUPT climate changes. How can slow acting orbital changes cause ABRUPT climate changes?
 
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) and its role in transporting heat northward absolutely contributes to regional ice growth and retreat in the Northern Hemisphere, and it interacts with orbital forcing, solar insolation, and other factors.
There are tons of papers describing the evidence and the reasons why changing ocean currents cause abrupt glaciation and abrupt deglaciation in the northern hemisphere. I have yet to see any evidence for orbital forcing to causing abrupt glaciation and abrupt deglaciation in the northern hemisphere. There is no evidence, there are only poor correlations which are not consistent with the time frames for glaciation and deglaciation.
 
The key point is that these natural cycles explain the timing of glacial and interglacial periods,
No, they don't. Did orbital cycles change? How do orbital cycles cause abrupt warming?

Glacial periods have shifted from shorter, more frequent 41,000-year cycles to longer, more intense 100,000-year cycles over the last million years, a change known as the Mid-Pleistocene Transition (MPT).
  • Pre-Mid-Pleistocene Transition (Before 1 Ma): Glacial and interglacial cycles occurred roughly every 41,000 years.
  • Post-Mid-Pleistocene Transition (Last 1 Million Years): Glacial cycles slowed to an average of 100,000 years, becoming more intense and creating larger, longer-lasting Northern Hemisphere ice sheets.
  • Current Cycle Timing: The last eight major glacial cycles have occurred over approximately the last 740,000 years. The most recent glaciation peaked around 18,000 years ago before giving way to the current interglacial period (the Holocene) 11,700 years ago.
 

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