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Another Trump impeachment bombshell: Plot to oust acting AG and force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Now you’re simply being childish and obstinate. It’s not up to us to provide proof to you. It is up to the Department of Justice to provide proof to the courts of Trump’s illegal activities.

Quite frankly it’s of no value whatsoever to have a fool like you admit to anything when it comes to Donald Trump.

In your case denial is not just a river in Egypt. But none of your denials have any value or meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump’s malfeasance.
I'm simply stating my opinion same as you. Still waiting any evidence of malfeasance. If it's your claim it's your obligation to provide evidence otherwise might just admit you're lying through your teeth and blindly accepting the claims of idiots who likewise are unable to provide proof.
 

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Trump also plotted to turn candy bars into broccoli. The fiend!
 

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Now you’re simply being childish and obstinate. It’s not up to us to provide proof to you. It is up to the Department of Justice to provide proof to the courts of Trump’s illegal activities.

Quite frankly it’s of no value whatsoever to have a fool like you admit to anything when it comes to Donald Trump.

In your case denial is not just a river in Egypt. But none of your denials have any value or meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump’s malfeasance.
I'm simply stating my opinion same as you. Still waiting any evidence of malfeasance. If it's your claim it's your obligation to provide evidence otherwise might just admit you're lying through your teeth and blindly accepting the claims of idiots who likewise are unable to provide proof.

The evidence of trumps crimes were presented at his impeachment, and it’s in the thousands of court filings made in the over 3,000 trials he’s been involved in.

Only those investigating a crime or prosecuting it have actual access to the evidence so really on your basis nobody should ever be charged with a crime because the public hasn’t seen the ovens.

I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime. Where is your evidence?

You’ve been claiming that Obama spied on the Trump campaign but you’ve never produced a shred of evidence to support that idea.

Are you sure this is the hill you wanna die on, fool?
 

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Georgia is on the precipice of becoming a drive by state. You guys talk about revenue sharing. Blue cities in red states eat that up. Atlanta was built on that. And now the price is being paid.

 

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Now you’re simply being childish and obstinate. It’s not up to us to provide proof to you. It is up to the Department of Justice to provide proof to the courts of Trump’s illegal activities.

Quite frankly it’s of no value whatsoever to have a fool like you admit to anything when it comes to Donald Trump.

In your case denial is not just a river in Egypt. But none of your denials have any value or meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump’s malfeasance.

Hi George, the site's Chinese misinformation officer. Easiest job in the world with the Democrat Party doing most of your work for you.

You talking about proof is pretty funny, George. As if you ever needed any ...
 

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Now you’re simply being childish and obstinate. It’s not up to us to provide proof to you. It is up to the Department of Justice to provide proof to the courts of Trump’s illegal activities.

Quite frankly it’s of no value whatsoever to have a fool like you admit to anything when it comes to Donald Trump.

In your case denial is not just a river in Egypt. But none of your denials have any value or meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump’s malfeasance.
I'm simply stating my opinion same as you. Still waiting any evidence of malfeasance. If it's your claim it's your obligation to provide evidence otherwise might just admit you're lying through your teeth and blindly accepting the claims of idiots who likewise are unable to provide proof.

The evidence of trumps crimes were presented at his impeachment, and it’s in the thousands of court filings made in the over 3,000 trials he’s been involved in.

Only those investigating a crime or prosecuting it have actual access to the evidence so really on your basis nobody should ever be charged with a crime because the public hasn’t seen the ovens.

I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime. Where is your evidence?

You’ve been claiming that Obama spied on the Trump campaign but you’ve never produced a shred of evidence to support that idea.

Are you sure this is the hill you wanna die on, fool?

Hi George, the site's Chinese disinformation officer.


Bringing up impeachment is pretty funny. Democrats impeached Trump for trying to steal the election, then impeached Trump for suggesting elections can be stolen. You have mastered doublespeak. You fully believe both, don't you George? Be honest ...
 

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Much more from The New York Times...


This certainly adds more weight against Trump in his Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?
What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex, lies habitually, incited a mob to stop the Congress from approving his successor, tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor, called Mexicans rapists, fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute. Why anyone would vote for this guy again is a mystery
You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. Begging questions simply proves you cannot prove your "facts".
Everything I wrote has been proven.

He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
So? How exactly is that anybody else's business? If I had his money I would pay Stormy Daniels for sex too.
Glad you don't deny it--earlier you called it a "fact".
Paying someone for sex is behavior that is reprehensible and beneath the person I want running the nation. So you wouldn't get my vote.
But of course...he lied about it. Right? Are you okay with him lying about it?


He incited a mob and was impeached

Absolutely unproven that he incited anybody to do anything or that the protest was a mob. If you believe he was impeached you must also believed that everyone charged with a crime was considered guilty.
He was impeached...twice.
It is a fact that about 8,000 people lost on election night in 2020...city council elections, county elections, state elections, elections to the US House, US Senate and the Presidency. You know how many are still saying they were cheated? One person. Your blob. Nobody else on the ballot--the same ballot where his name appeared--is saying there was widespread voting irregularities. The rest took their defeat like adults. Not your blob. He had his son say to the crowd, "We're coming for you." His personal attorney appealed for "Trial by combat". When the crowd was storming the nation's capitol, the President didn't call for peace and he didn't deploy the national guard. VP Pence had to do it.

He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
Not a crime. And not found guilty
Again, is this the behavior you want in a President? Someone who tells others to "find votes" for him after he was declared the loser? Really?

He called Mexicans rapists
He called some Mexicans rapists which is true.
Wow.. really? You don't say.

He has fired people via tweet
So? You claim this is illegal for a President to do? Prove it.
Again, where did I say it was illegal?
Its a total dick move. Again, is this the behavior you want from your President?


His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent
And he was correct. Whining about it proves nothing.
Good to see you don't mind kids being put into cages to punish the parents as something to be upset by.

It speaks volumes as to why your blob lost so badly.

And again, ALL of the above, plus many more not listed here (e.g. shithole countries, baiting North Korea, shoving a prime minister, taunting football players, repositioning the Bronx in Germany etc etc etc), relate directly to character, not "policy", which puts the lie to all these yahoos bent on making the Rump Cult into something about "right" and "left" simply because they can't deal with the reality. Exactly as Rump himself --- don't like the reality? Just make up a new one.
I ran out of ink....

I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
I like how 9thIDdoc went from "You know no such things. Most of what you claim as fact is a despicable lie and have long been proven as such.. " to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
And now you're lying about what I wrote even though it's written here to be seen by anyone who cares to look. Guess you're just one of those folks totally incapable of telling the truth. You wrote:

What we know about the man is that he pays porn stars for sex,
"We" don't know any such thing
lies habitually,
Your despicable lie
incited a mob
despicable lie
to stop the Congress from approving his successor
despicable lie
tried to influence state officials to swing at least one state's electors in his favor,
despicable lie
called Mexicans rapists,
despicable lie
fires people by tweet and put kids into cages along the border--not as a last resort--but as a deterrent. All of that is fact and is not in dispute.
despicable lies
to confirming everything I wrote and just saying "it doesn't matter".
despicable lie

Again, all of the above is verifiable and has been proven to be fact. You acknowledged it all last night.
Then fuggun verify and prove away liar. All you got is bullspit.
He paid Stormy Daniels for sex.
He incited a mob and was impeached
He is recorded telling the Georgia SoS to "find him" votes
He called Mexicans rapists
He has fired people via tweet
His COS said that the kids in cages are a deterrent

All of this is proven.
Insisting something is "proven" doesn't prove a dam thing no matter times you stutter. Show proof (not highly biased uninformed opinion) or STFU.

These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.
These are accepted facts. You can stomp your feet and attempt to call them into doubt but all are proven...as you acknowledged yesterday.

Another lie. Just can't quit can you?

Now you’re simply being childish and obstinate. It’s not up to us to provide proof to you. It is up to the Department of Justice to provide proof to the courts of Trump’s illegal activities.

Quite frankly it’s of no value whatsoever to have a fool like you admit to anything when it comes to Donald Trump.

In your case denial is not just a river in Egypt. But none of your denials have any value or meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump’s malfeasance.
I'm simply stating my opinion same as you. Still waiting any evidence of malfeasance. If it's your claim it's your obligation to provide evidence otherwise might just admit you're lying through your teeth and blindly accepting the claims of idiots who likewise are unable to provide proof.

The evidence of trumps crimes were presented at his impeachment, and it’s in the thousands of court filings made in the over 3,000 trials he’s been involved in.
The evidence of trumps crimes were presented at his impeachment, and it’s in the thousands of court filings made in the over 3,000 trials he’s been involved in.
Only those investigating a crime or prosecuting it have actual access to the evidence so really on your basis nobody should ever be charged with a crime because the public hasn’t seen the ovens.

I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime. Where is your evidence?

You’ve been claiming that Obama spied on the Trump campaign but you’ve never produced a shred of evidence to support that idea.

You’ve been claiming that Obama spied on the Trump campaign but you’ve never produced a shred of evidence to support that idea.
The evidence of trumps crimes were presented at his impeachment, and it’s in the thousands of court filings made in the over 3,000 trials he’s been involved in.
And what crimes has he been proven guilty of? None. Zero. Zip. Nada. You just destroyed your own argument.

Only those investigating a crime or prosecuting it have actual access to the evidence so really on your basis nobody should ever be charged with a crime because the public hasn’t seen the ovens.
It is the court system-and only the court system-that rules on what evidence is valid and what crimes have/have not been committed.

I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.

You’ve been claiming that Obama spied on the Trump campaign but you’ve never produced a shred of evidence to support that idea.
When exactly have I ever made such a claim? I really don't care if he did or not. In my opinion Obama publicly proved his incompetence regularly and often and I see no need to add anything.

Are you sure this is the hill you wanna die on, fool?
Don't know, guess one hill's as good as another. But you best go big or stay on the porch.
 

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Having an intelligent factual discussion with a Dimbo is like having a meaningful conversation with a boulder, regardless of the facts and being proven wrong they will not budge.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
No double standard. Trump was accused tried and not found guilty. He was exonerated. And the Left waisted time trouble and hugh amounts of tax payer money in the process.
Mrs. Clinton admitted crimes. Investigations showed she committed crimes. But the government chose to not prosecute her. She has not been exonerated and until and unless she ever is reasonable people will consider her an unpunished criminal. The obvious double standard was applied by the government; not me.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Trump claimed election fraud in 2016.. He claimed 3-5 million illegals voted.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Trump claimed election fraud in 2016.. He claimed 3-5 million illegals voted.
And that claim has never been disproved, has it? I think he was probably correct.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Trump claimed election fraud in 2016.. He claimed 3-5 million illegals voted.
And that claim has never been disproved, has it? I think he was probably correct.

He never proved his claim nor did anything about it. Trump is getting revenge on the country because he lost and you're helping him.. He doesn't want to be president. He wants to be the center of attention and he wants YOUR money.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Trump claimed election fraud in 2016.. He claimed 3-5 million illegals voted.

OK
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Hillary has never admitted any of the things that you claim. James Comey did not say she broke the law with her server, he said she did not break the law.

Comey was, in fact, very clear that no laws were broken.

Trump has been found guilty on multiple occasions. He’s been barred from being a trustee for any charity because of his abuse of his family charity including using it to make it legal donations to politicians.

Trump settled the fraud trial for $25 million. Even Trump says if you settle something it’s an admission of guilt. Trump has paid fines and settled in multiple cases involving crimes including the federal racial discrimination cases brought in the rate late 70s.

Not to mention that your whole concept of having to prove that you didn’t commit a crime that you haven’t been charged with, is that utterly ridiculous.

But you’re still telling yourself that Hillary is the criminal here.
 

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I’m still waiting for any evidence of Hillary Clinton’s crimes you keep calling Hillary a criminal but you’ve never produced shred of evidence that she actually committed a crime.
The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's crimes is public and she has claimed she accepted responsibility for her actions re: Benghazi which most thinking folks consider criminal negligence in the performance of her duties as SoS and which directly resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and others. There was also the little matter of her massive security breaches made with her computer that even Obama's head of FBI publicly admitted was criminal but refused to prosecute. Trump has been found legally not guilty in courts of law. Hillary has not.
So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Trump responsible for what he may or may not have done, unless he has been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---
We should condemn Hillary Clinton for what she may or may not have done, even though she hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?


So, you're arguing that we shouldn't hold Democrats responsible for election fraud, unless they been found guilty of it in a court of law,
-- but ---

We should condemn Trump for what he may or may not have done, even though he hasn't been found guilty of any of it in a court of law.

Do you see the double standard you are applying here?
Nice try, but no. Flipping it around to demand that every Democrat prove that they didn't do something is logically impossible. If I accuse you of punching me in the face, the DA has to prove that you punched me in the face; they can't declare everyone here guilty until a court proves that no forum poster ever punched me in the face—especially if they've already leveled charges 60 times in courts all across the country, to no avail.

But I'll clarify. Most things that people do don't make it to court. Nixon was never found criminally guilty of ordering the Watergate breaking, nor was Clinton for getting a knob shine under the Resolute Desk, but do you think they did them? There is a point at which a reasonable person can infer that yeah, they probably did that, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "If it wasn't proven in court, he didn't do it!" is close-minded, at best.


It's exactly the same, stupid fuck. With election fraud, you say it has to be proven in a court or shut up. But with Trump you make wild accusations.

What you're arguing is the typical Democrat argument that you aren't subject to your own standards. The very definition of a double standard

Trump claimed election fraud in 2016.. He claimed 3-5 million illegals voted.
And that claim has never been disproved, has it? I think he was probably correct.

Before the election Trump kept stating that if he lost to Biden the Election was rigged. This has been a theme in Trump's life for more than 40 years. He has always claimed the system was rigged against him and that he's treated unfairly.

Look what he has done tothe country with his lies and accusations.
 

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