Zone1 Another question to ponder part 2

[TNHarley]

If gods laws are morality, why arent they being followed anymore? Doesnt make much sense, does it?

 

[Hafar1014]

If gods laws are morality, why arent they being followed anymore? Doesnt make much sense, does it?

You have to be specific and add context to get an answer

 

[TNHarley]

You have to be specific and add context to get an answer

"Gods laws" arent specific enough for you?
How about having the town elders kill your child for being a heathen? Or killing your child for cussing at you? Or to not sit where a menstruating women has sit? Or making women drink dirty water if they are suspected of cheating on their husband?

 

[TNHarley]

Lisa558

 

[TNHarley]

Why dont christians follow gods laws? Didnt jesus say this : "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

 

[ReinyDays]

If gods laws are morality, why arent they being followed anymore? Doesnt make much sense, does it?

Are you speaking to the 1st Covenant or the 2nd Covenant ... maybe you didn't notice this, but everyone who sins then dies ... with the only exception being Enoch ... so the Levitical Laws are being followed ... and death sentences imposed ...

I don't know ... seems obvious to me that God is livid with the Jews right now ... and not real happy with Muslims either ... if you swear to the 1st Covenant, this is what you can expect ... "If you live by the sword, you will surely die by the sword" -- someone smarter than me ...

Sex outside of Holy Marriage is the death sentence ... is that what TV and the movies are teaching us? ... I would question is you even know what moral values are ... you are complaining about God's morals before you complain about TV's morals ...

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God the Father laid down the rules in the OT when Man was but a child ... Man had to be taught not to have sex with his mother, not to poop on the family's hearth, return two sheep of equal value if you kill your neighbor sheep, wear the clothes of the Amish ... these Hebrews lost out in the Desert where total pigs, disgusting at every level ... watch TV to get an idea what they were doing to these poor Golden Calves ... ewwwwwwww ....

It's a good idea here to study why Moses wasn't allowed into the Land of Milk and Honey ...

Now Man is an adult ... and just like real fathers, we must learn how to treat our sons as adults and have an adult relationship ... So God the Father sent His Son (our brother) to Earth to bring us a new Covenant ... one based on mercy and love, rather than law and death ... "Love your brother as you love yourself" ...

If you love your family, you won't poop on the hearth ... right? ... so you don't need a Law to keep that from happening ... right? ... the Law is certainly still valid, go poop on your hearth and find out how quick you get punished ...

God didn't make these Laws willy-nilly ... each and every one was made to solve a problem ... go read Levitius again and think how nasty these folks were ... they were pooping on their hearths ... so now there's Law forbidding this ...

"13 - ... when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:
14 - For the Lord thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee."

Deuteronomy 23:13-14

 

[TNHarley]

each and every one was made to solve a problem

What problem did killing your children solve?

 

[norwegen]

If gods laws are morality, why arent they being followed anymore? Doesnt make much sense, does it?

Oh, they say they follow the Mosaic Law. Christians and Jews both. But they don't.

And they don't have to. It isn't their law.

 

[TNHarley]

Oh, they say they follow the Mosaic Law. Christians and Jews both. But they don't.

And they don't have to. It isn't their law.

Its not for jews?
And jesus said to continue the laws. So why arent they christian laws as well?

 

[Mr Natural]

If gods laws are morality, why arent they being followed anymore? Doesnt make much sense, does it?

It’s religion.

No thinking allowed. Just accept and shut up.

 

[TNHarley]

It’s religion.

No thinking allowed. Just accept and shut up.

Crazy how an all powerful god demands faith but not fact.

 

[norwegen]

Its not for jews?
And jesus said to continue the laws. So why arent they christian laws as well?

It was for Jews. Actual Jews. People of Judah, descended from Jacob. An ancient tribal people under the umbrella of an ancient temple.

Those were the people to whom Jesus spoke when he said to keep abiding that law. When he said to abide it for one more generation.

 

[Hafar1014]

Crazy how an all powerful god demands faith but not fact.

Remind them there is on original sin in Genesis and their heads explode

 

[Lisa558]

Its not for jews?
And jesus said to continue the laws. So why arent they christian laws as well?

Because Paul wanted to get the Jews to become Christians, and he effectively said, “look…..become Christian and you get to eat shrimp cocktail and cheeseburgers!”

 

[Lisa558]

Remind them there is on original sin in Genesis and their heads explode

There is no concept of Original Sin in Genesis, as you know. Not sure where you’re going with that.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why dont christians follow gods laws? Didnt jesus say this : "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

If something is "fulfilled" it's finished, as Jesus proclaimed on the cross.

For example, if Gentiles are now called into the church that Jesus began, all the laws of separation are null and void. If Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the type of animal sacrifice that represented him those sacrifices are no longer needed. As stated in Hebrews, with a change in priesthood comes a change in the law.

Hebrews 7:12

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The law is changed in Hebrews 7:12 when the priesthood is changed. This change is necessary because the law was originally given under the Levitical priesthood, which was based on the law of Moses. The introduction of the priesthood according to the order of Melchizedek signifies a shift in the law's application and purpose. The new law, which is associated with the Melchizedek priesthood, is a better hope and a more permanent covenant than the old law. This change is significant for Christian living, as it indicates that the law of Moses is no longer in force, and believers are called to live according to the new law of Jesus Christ.
Bible Hub+5

 

[TNHarley]

If something is "fulfilled" it's finished, as Jesus proclaimed on the cross.

For example, if Gentiles are now called into the church that Jesus began, all the laws of separation are null and void. If Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the type of animal sacrifice that represented him those sacrifices are no longer needed. As Paul stated in Hebrews, with a change in priesthood comes a change in the law.

It also means to carry out. I dont remember reading that god said the laws no longer needed to apply.

 

[Woodznutz]

It also means to carry out. I dont remember reading that god said the laws no longer needed to apply.

The Jews still carry out those laws, Christians don't. The law is spiritual for Christians, literal for Jews.

 

[TNHarley]

The Jews still carry out those laws, Christians don't. The law is spiritual for Christians, literal for Jews.

The jews dont carry out those laws anymore. Many of them anyway.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is no concept of Original Sin in Genesis, as you know. Not sure where you’re going with that.

If there is no original sin there is no reason for Jesus to save us because it doesnt exist either