Another place to cut government compensation cost

[Lesh]

How about paying them for the actual amount of time they have on the clock working, like everyone in the private sector.

What a crock. I was a project manager for ten years. I hated going to the office because I got nothing done. Coworkers stopping by to chit chat. Stupid parties. Endless meetings about nothing important. Rah rah corporate “town halls”…

When I worked from home , I hit the floor running and didn’t stop until my work was done or I was ready to drop. Well more than 8 hours a day.

I understand that not everyone does that but management can tell if they care. Most don’t because in most cases there isn’t really eight hours worth of work that needs doing (beyond busy work).

 

[Lisa558]

And this why your opinion about the government is worthless. You're a taker, of course you're going to do and say anything to protect the hand that feeds you. You should feel shame, but we all know that will never happen.

Yup….he’s an example of what is wrong with how the Government operates. We need to prohibit people from “retiring” from the government and getting 2/3rds of their salary, tied to inflation, and then getting “rehired” a his former salary. HE might be laughing all the way to the bank, but it’s working class taxpayers funding his scheme.

 

[1srelluc]

Using "libtard" tells us all we need to know....about you, child.

More like, just calling balls and strikes.

 

[Lisa558]

As an engineer, I was undercompensated compared to what defense contractor engineers were receiving.
My only advantage was job security, unlimited mobility in positions and being able to retire a 55

Unless you were a department chief at GS-15, you probably weren’t undercompensated. That’s a fallacy that govt workers believe.

I remember at a dinner one night with my family and one of my dad’s closet friends, the friend was moaning at how poorly he was paid compared to private industry. My father - always a private man - was so fed up with the govt workers crying about how underpaid they were, admitted his salary to the govie. His mouth dropped open in shock.

And here’s the thing: my dad’s salary (grad degree in engineering) was not as high at the govie’s, but we were all quite comfortable. Beautiful house, great vacations, restaurant outings, theater evenings, etc., etc.

Gov workers are not underpaid, except at the very top.

 

[OldFlame]

As an engineer, I was undercompensated compared to what defense contractor engineers were receiving.
My only advantage was job security, unlimited mobility in positions and being able to retire a 55

Defense contractors are over compensated, they should be in the same bracket salary wise and benefit wise as the private sector. Just the fact that you were able to retire at 55 tells the story.

 

[initforme]

Unless you were a department chief at GS-15, you probably weren’t undercompensated. That’s a fallacy that govt workers believe.

I remember at a dinner one night with my family and one of my dad’s closet friends, the friend was moaning at how poorly he was paid compared to private industry. My father - always a private man - was so fed up with the govt workers crying about how underpaid they were, admitted his salary to the govie. His mouth dropped open in shock.

And here’s the thing: my dad’s salary (grad degree in engineering) was not as high at the govie’s, but we were all quite comfortable. Beautiful house, great vacations, restaurant outings, theater evenings, etc., etc.

Gov workers are not underpaid, except at the very top.

My days in the god awful corporate world taught me the higher up a person was, the less they were capable of, they were grossly overcompensate. Useless

 

[initforme]

The road crews fixing our highways made over $100 per hour if over 40 hours. Some people complained. Idiots.

 

[OldFlame]

Yup….he’s an example of what is wrong with how the Government operates. We need to prohibit people from “retiring” from the government and getting 2/3rds of their salary, tied to inflation, and then getting “rehired” a his former salary. HE might be laughing all the way to the bank, but it’s working class taxpayers funding his scheme.

They don't care, it's why they vote and promote 'D', to keep the gravy train coming.

 

[rightwinger]

Unless you were a department chief at GS-15, you probably weren’t undercompensated. That’s a fallacy that govt workers believe. I remember at a dinner one night with my family and one of my dad’s closet friends, the friend was moaning at how poorly he was paid compared to private industry. My father - always a private man - was so fed up with the govt workers crying about how underpaid they were, admitted his salary to the govie. His mouth dropped open in shock. And here’s the thing: my dad’s salary (grad degree in engineering) was not as high at the govie’s, but we were all quite comfortable. Beautiful house, great vacations, restaurant outings, theater evenings, etc., etc. Gov workers are not underpaid, except at the very top.

Since we are comparing stories. Mine based on 40 years of actual experience and yours based on”somebody told me”

When I was hired by the Government in the late 70s, I was offered as an engineer $12,000 while most graduating engineers were offered $15,000. When I complained about the pay I was told…….But you can retire at 55.
At 21 I thought I might as well be dead as looking at a retirement in 34 years.

In the 1990s, I was a low level supervisor making $75,000. The cell phone and Dot Com boom hit and I was offering engineers $60-$70,000 to work for the government. They laughed at me because they were making $100,000 with stock options.

 

[initforme]

Retiring at 55 is a good thing. My son is 54 and fully retired from the private sector. His final day was skipping a meeting in Colorado he was supposed to attend. He let the hr person know and boom, retired. He's now single, has a nice house, and does what he wants. He's never been happier. He works 10 to 15 hours per week from home for a wage he demanded and receives.

 

[rightwinger]

Yup….he’s an example of what is wrong with how the Government operates. We need to prohibit people from “retiring” from the government and getting 2/3rds of their salary, tied to inflation, and then getting “rehired” a his former salary. HE might be laughing all the way to the bank, but it’s working class taxpayers funding his scheme.

I did exactly that for 6 years.

At 55 I was going to get 2/3 of my salary regardless of who I worked for. If I worked at McDonalds, I would still get my 2/3s salary plus McDonalds pay

I could also have worked for a Defense Contractor instead of the Government and been well compensated.

But in hiring an ex Government employee, the Government was getting an experienced employee more qualified than someone who never did the job. I was hired at the market rate

 

[Moonglow]

..and you sound foolish, but hey to each their own.

You people want to stymie the economy.

 

[Moonglow]

Get rid of the DEA to save dough

 

[NetJedi]

Unless you were a department chief at GS-15, you probably weren’t undercompensated. That’s a fallacy that govt workers believe.

I remember at a dinner one night with my family and one of my dad’s closet friends, the friend was moaning at how poorly he was paid compared to private industry. My father - always a private man - was so fed up with the govt workers crying about how underpaid they were, admitted his salary to the govie. His mouth dropped open in shock.

And here’s the thing: my dad’s salary (grad degree in engineering) was not as high at the govie’s, but we were all quite comfortable. Beautiful house, great vacations, restaurant outings, theater evenings, etc., etc.

Gov workers are not underpaid, except at the very top.

Are you considering the fact that Federal Employees fall under defined benefit pension plans instead of the defined contribution plans that the majority of American workers (that have pension plans) fall under? That's a HUGE chunk of compensation right there.

You want to cut something big from federal labor costs eliminate the defined benefit pension plans (including those for elected officials) and move them all over to defined contributions, with current workers retaining their existing service time accruals but not accruing anymore and new workers falling entirely under defined contribution plans.

No reason for anyone in the Federal Government to have these expensive plans when the vast majority of the productive members of society don't have access to them.

 

[Darkwind]

Cutting headcount means contracting out more work. Pick a lane.

How do you figure that?

The best way to determine what needs to be cut in terms of headcount is to look at who gets laid off during a government shutdown.

We keep ONLY the essential employees and cut the rest. No need to contract for jobs that don't do anything meaningful.

 

[OldFlame]

I did exactly that for 6 years.

At 55 I was going to get 2/3 of my salary regardless of who I worked for. If I worked at McDonalds, I would still get my 2/3s salary plus McDonalds pay

I could also have worked for a Defense Contractor instead of the Government and been well compensated.

But in hiring an ex Government employee, the Government was getting an experienced employee more qualified than someone who never did the job. I was hired at the market rate

Benefits that no one in the private sector gets and is paid for by the American tax payer. Why is your retirement age earlier than anyone else's?

 

[OldFlame]

Are you considering the fact that Federal Employees fall under defined benefit pension plans instead of the defined contribution plans that the majority of American workers (that have pension plans) fall under? That's a HUGE chunk of compensation right there.

You want to cut something big from federal labor costs eliminate the defined benefit pension plans (including those for elected officials) and move them all over to defined contributions, with current workers retaining their existing service time accruals but not accruing anymore and new workers falling entirely under defined contribution plans.

No reason for anyone in the Federal Government to have these expensive plans when the vast majority of the productive members of society don't have access to them.

Exactly. They should retire at the same age with the same benefits as the private sector, with no 'bridge to retirement' and special pensions that no one else is afforded.

 

[rightwinger]

Benefits that no one in the private sector gets and is paid for by the American tax payer. Why is your retirement age earlier than anyone else's?

I paid for half my Civil Service retirement and the Government paid the other half

Todays Civil Servants no longer get the 2/3 salary I did
For the last 40 years they get around 1/3 salary from FERS, Social Security and a 401k type of plan.

 

[OldFlame]

I paid for half my Civil Service retirement and the Government paid the other half

Todays Civil Servants no longer get the 2/3 salary I did
For the last 40 years they get around 1/3 salary from FERS, Social Security and a 401k type of plan.

I know someone that just retired from a federal government position at age 58 with a 'bridge to retirement', i.e. collecting their social security far before anyone in the private sector is able to, along with a pension.

 

[rightwinger]

I know someone that just retired from a federal government position at age 58 with a 'bridge to retirement', i.e. collecting their social security far before anyone in the private sector is able to, along with a pension.

That “bridge to retirement” covers you for three years before you are eligible for Social Security