Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways

[Yarddog]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

Africans across the continent had a free market system between tribes and they had no common government to rule them. Fact.
They had their own currency in brass, copper, shells, beads. it was used as money. They did just fine.

 

[progressive hunter]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

the barter system is what we do today,,,
we trade money that represents our labor in exchange for things we want or need,,,

Why does that money have value?? Is it because you can pay your taxes with it?? Basically you are trying to defend this imaginary barter system by using government tender for payment...adorable...

that money has value because I earned it,, it wasnt given to me for nothing

so you think money just exists in nature and gets its value because it just has natural value?? No...it has its value because you can pay taxes with it......

There is a reason why most developed countries in the world for the past 2000 years centered their societies around the monopolization of force -- because it works better than feudalism and anarchy -- and definitely works better than this barter economy that you still can't show me any evidence of

bless your heart,,,youre trying so hard and still failing,,,

the fact remains the same,,free markets existed long before governments

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

Africans across the continent had a free market system between tribes and they had no common government to rule them. Fact.
They had their own currency in brass, copper, shells, beads. it was used as money. They did just fine.

So in other words, you want to model your fantasy economy by what Ancient Africa did because it worked so well for them.....adorable....

You know its desperation when so-called free-marketers tout ancient African civilization as a model for their economic system

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

the barter system is what we do today,,,
we trade money that represents our labor in exchange for things we want or need,,,

Why does that money have value?? Is it because you can pay your taxes with it?? Basically you are trying to defend this imaginary barter system by using government tender for payment...adorable...

that money has value because I earned it,, it wasnt given to me for nothing

so you think money just exists in nature and gets its value because it just has natural value?? No...it has its value because you can pay taxes with it......

There is a reason why most developed countries in the world for the past 2000 years centered their societies around the monopolization of force -- because it works better than feudalism and anarchy -- and definitely works better than this barter economy that you still can't show me any evidence of

bless your heart,,,youre trying so hard and still failing,,,

the fact remains the same,,free markets existed long before governments

Name one....there is a reason why you can't

Do you need to go back before the Roman and Greek empires??

Why are you having such trouble finding me any more modern examples??

 

[Ringel05]

Government suspends rail franchise system after passengers plummet

Rail passenger numbers have collapsed in the wake of coronavirus

www.investorschronicle.co.uk

The UK government has suspended rail franchise agreements for six months and agreed to assume all revenue and cost risk posed to operators, after railways experienced a 70 per cent drop in passenger numbers following the advent of coronavirus.

They called Corbyn a commie for proposing this during the election and now here we are. This is initially for 6 months but they will likely find that corporations will be reluctant to return to this industry when things get back to normal.

The railways are an essential service and the private companies have always been backed by government money. Time to rip up the facade and run the network for the benefit of the country.

Americans, this is why Leftists are all over Twitter today, panicking and hyperventilating about "the virus". It's not about the virus at all. They saw their chance to nationalize everything and, at Trump's signal yesterday, they see their chance melting away.

Don't be fooled. Let the UK go their way; they're sunk and have been for a long time.

We are not them.

THANK GOD

Its about private rail companies collapsing despite huge government subsidies. Why would we subsidise companies when we have to step in and pick up the pieces anyway ?
UK rail service is pretty much the worst in Europe. Hopefully it will improve because of this.

Wrong as usual. This is about a business, subsidized or not being adversely affected but the economic ramifications of a pandemic where more and more people are staying home and not using the business. Doesn't matter where the money is coming from it's still going to suffer from lack of ridership yet in your scenario the burden of bailing out the business falls even heavier on the taxpayer. Kinda like our Amtrak, heavily subsidized but still not making any money, pandemic or not.

 

[Oddball]

Government suspends rail franchise system after passengers plummet

Rail passenger numbers have collapsed in the wake of coronavirus

www.investorschronicle.co.uk

The UK government has suspended rail franchise agreements for six months and agreed to assume all revenue and cost risk posed to operators, after railways experienced a 70 per cent drop in passenger numbers following the advent of coronavirus.

They called Corbyn a commie for proposing this during the election and now here we are. This is initially for 6 months but they will likely find that corporations will be reluctant to return to this industry when things get back to normal.

The railways are an essential service and the private companies have always been backed by government money. Time to rip up the facade and run the network for the benefit of the country.

Americans, this is why Leftists are all over Twitter today, panicking and hyperventilating about "the virus". It's not about the virus at all. They saw their chance to nationalize everything and, at Trump's signal yesterday, they see their chance melting away.

Don't be fooled. Let the UK go their way; they're sunk and have been for a long time.

We are not them.

THANK GOD

Its about private rail companies collapsing despite huge government subsidies. Why would we subsidise companies when we have to step in and pick up the pieces anyway ?
UK rail service is pretty much the worst in Europe. Hopefully it will improve because of this.

What it is is strong evidence that rail travel is a money loser and should go away altogether.

Only leftbat politicians are stupid enough to think that merely throwing money at a loser can make it a winner.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

Then fucking go to Cuba, you worthless shithole and see what life is like under true Socialism. Or Venezuela where the shelves in stores look like they do today, but wont be restocked because there isnt anyone working in that Socialist country. Nope, you just got to stay here and bitch and moan how fucked your life is, because you dont want to work, like a typical liberal retard.

 

[progressive hunter]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

the barter system is what we do today,,,
we trade money that represents our labor in exchange for things we want or need,,,

Why does that money have value?? Is it because you can pay your taxes with it?? Basically you are trying to defend this imaginary barter system by using government tender for payment...adorable...

that money has value because I earned it,, it wasnt given to me for nothing

so you think money just exists in nature and gets its value because it just has natural value?? No...it has its value because you can pay taxes with it......

There is a reason why most developed countries in the world for the past 2000 years centered their societies around the monopolization of force -- because it works better than feudalism and anarchy -- and definitely works better than this barter economy that you still can't show me any evidence of

bless your heart,,,youre trying so hard and still failing,,,

the fact remains the same,,free markets existed long before governments

Name one....there is a reason why you can't

Do you need to go back before the Roman and Greek empires??

Why are you having such trouble finding me any more modern examples??

this discussion wasnt about current events it was about your comment that governments existed when free markets did,,
and the fact is free markets existed before governments,,and a case could be made that governments were created because of free markets to keep them fair and balanced,,

 

[Yarddog]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

they grew together. When the free market was in a simpler time... government was smaller and less necessary to put controls on a free market. Unless you were talking about abuse of power in a fuedal system or a conquering empire. Farmers and fishermen didnt count on government officials to come down and repair their fishing nets, or sweat in a field then cart vegetables to market. Ancient property rights were determined by the rule of possession. Your father lived here and his father before him, thus the land belongs to you. No one needed a government to tell them that.

and if I decided I wanted to take that land because I have an army to do it -- who is going to stop me?

Again...there is a reason you folks have to use terms like "ancient" and can't find any other examples of this fairy tale economy you fantasize about

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

your words,.. its just not true. people who work and create goods and services to each other create the free market.

Obviously now because there are more people government is needed. Once kings and tyrants were disposed of, the societies that were left over needed to maintain order, replacing them with some sort of parliament.
Government has its place, to represent people who put them there, but they have no place taking credit for the work of others and taking credit for things they dont know about.

 

[Yarddog]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

the first time two humans traded for goods there were no such thing as governments,,,

and back then a handshake was enough,,,

First of all...this barter system you are talking about is not a free market and not a single person on Earth aside from a few delusional pseudo-libertarians would want a barter system....so that's a fail...

And even this barter economy is itself mostly fantasy...

"various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

www.theatlantic.com

So we should do away with patents, copyrights, etc -- and just rely on a handshake?

Africans across the continent had a free market system between tribes and they had no common government to rule them. Fact.
They had their own currency in brass, copper, shells, beads. it was used as money. They did just fine.

So in other words, you want to model your fantasy economy by what Ancient Africa did because it worked so well for them.....adorable....

You know its desperation when so-called free-marketers tout ancient African civilization as a model for their economic system

You just got done asking for someone to show you a time when a free market ever existed... I just showed you one, and your still complaining.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

www.businessinsider.com

"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

 

[progressive hunter]

You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

www.businessinsider.com

"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

good lord you get emotional when you lose a discussion

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

they grew together. When the free market was in a simpler time... government was smaller and less necessary to put controls on a free market. Unless you were talking about abuse of power in a fuedal system or a conquering empire. Farmers and fishermen didnt count on government officials to come down and repair their fishing nets, or sweat in a field then cart vegetables to market. Ancient property rights were determined by the rule of possession. Your father lived here and his father before him, thus the land belongs to you. No one needed a government to tell them that.

and if I decided I wanted to take that land because I have an army to do it -- who is going to stop me?

Again...there is a reason you folks have to use terms like "ancient" and can't find any other examples of this fairy tale economy you fantasize about

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

your words,.. its just not true. people who work and create goods and services to each other create the free market.

Obviously now because there are more people government is needed. Once kings and tyrants were disposed of, the societies that were left over needed to maintain order, replacing them with some sort of parliament.
Government has its place, to represent people who put them there, but they have no place taking credit for the work of others and taking credit for things they dont know about.

So in other words...when you folks say "free markets" -- you just say it because it feels good to say it? Because I have thoroughly proved my claim that these free markets you dream don't exist and never existed.....if they are so effective and superior -- why are you having such a hard time showing me one??

Native Americans?
The Mayans?
Ancient Kemet?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

www.businessinsider.com

"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

good lord you get emotional when you lose a discussion

I haven't lost anything...your failure to post a link to this free market economy is your problem.....

you are the one who said money has intrinsic value....it doesn't.....it's value comes from government...

 

[Yarddog]

You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

www.businessinsider.com

"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

No one is asking for some fantasy free market economy. We all realize the necessity for a sane government. People are simply responding to this statement by YOU

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

 

[Yarddog]

Another free market fail as Britain nationalises the railways…

Not a free market fail.

A British fail.

Absolutely right. When the government doesn't allow the free market to be the free market, don't go blaming failure on the free market.

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

free markets have been around longer than any government,,,

Please tell me a time where a free market existed without government...


How did this free market enforce contracts? How did this free market establish property rights??

I'll wait

they grew together. When the free market was in a simpler time... government was smaller and less necessary to put controls on a free market. Unless you were talking about abuse of power in a fuedal system or a conquering empire. Farmers and fishermen didnt count on government officials to come down and repair their fishing nets, or sweat in a field then cart vegetables to market. Ancient property rights were determined by the rule of possession. Your father lived here and his father before him, thus the land belongs to you. No one needed a government to tell them that.

and if I decided I wanted to take that land because I have an army to do it -- who is going to stop me?

Again...there is a reason you folks have to use terms like "ancient" and can't find any other examples of this fairy tale economy you fantasize about

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

your words,.. its just not true. people who work and create goods and services to each other create the free market.

Obviously now because there are more people government is needed. Once kings and tyrants were disposed of, the societies that were left over needed to maintain order, replacing them with some sort of parliament.
Government has its place, to represent people who put them there, but they have no place taking credit for the work of others and taking credit for things they dont know about.

So in other words...when you folks say "free markets" -- you just say it because it feels good to say it? Because I have thoroughly proved my claim that these free markets you dream don't exist and never existed.....if they are so effective and superior -- why are you having such a hard time showing me one??

Native Americans?
The Mayans?
Ancient Kemet?

You want something more current? go no further than the x Soviet Union. Under that socialist communist paradise, there existed a thriving, massive black market (free market system) .. because without that the people only got what the government handed them. They had shit. They had to take things in their own hands and create their own market. Fact.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Government suspends rail franchise system after passengers plummet

Rail passenger numbers have collapsed in the wake of coronavirus

www.investorschronicle.co.uk

The UK government has suspended rail franchise agreements for six months and agreed to assume all revenue and cost risk posed to operators, after railways experienced a 70 per cent drop in passenger numbers following the advent of coronavirus.

They called Corbyn a commie for proposing this during the election and now here we are. This is initially for 6 months but they will likely find that corporations will be reluctant to return to this industry when things get back to normal.

The railways are an essential service and the private companies have always been backed by government money. Time to rip up the facade and run the network for the benefit of the country.

Americans, this is why Leftists are all over Twitter today, panicking and hyperventilating about "the virus". It's not about the virus at all. They saw their chance to nationalize everything and, at Trump's signal yesterday, they see their chance melting away.

Don't be fooled. Let the UK go their way; they're sunk and have been for a long time.

We are not them.

THANK GOD

Its about private rail companies collapsing despite huge government subsidies. Why would we subsidise companies when we have to step in and pick up the pieces anyway ?
UK rail service is pretty much the worst in Europe. Hopefully it will improve because of this.

Wrong as usual. This is about a business, subsidized or not being adversely affected but the economic ramifications of a pandemic where more and more people are staying home and not using the business. Doesn't matter where the money is coming from it's still going to suffer from lack of ridership yet in your scenario the burden of bailing out the business falls even heavier on the taxpayer. Kinda like our Amtrak, heavily subsidized but still not making any money, pandemic or not.

Railways in general do not make money and ours tend to make their profits from milking government subsidies. Public ownership of railways is a lot better than our current set up. Compare the networks in Switzerland,Portugal and France which are better run and cheaper to use.
We need public ownership of the network as rail will be an integral part of a green economy.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

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"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

No one is asking for some fantasy free market economy. We all realize the necessity for a sane government. People are simply responding to this statement by YOU

Free markets don't exist without government....and never has existed without government.....

and you still haven't shown me this free market....

I back up everything I say....all you have to do is post a link that backs up your assertion...

Here is an example of me posting a link that backs up my assertion...

"Trade did occur in non-monetary societies, but not among fellow villagers. Instead, it was used almost exclusively with strangers, or even enemies, where it was often accompanied by complex rituals involving trade, dance, feasting, mock fighting, or sex—and sometimes all of them intertwined."

You can either refute it with sourced information or you can't -- either way -- there is no free market...........that is a fantasy...

 

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Government suspends rail franchise system after passengers plummet

Rail passenger numbers have collapsed in the wake of coronavirus

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The UK government has suspended rail franchise agreements for six months and agreed to assume all revenue and cost risk posed to operators, after railways experienced a 70 per cent drop in passenger numbers following the advent of coronavirus.

They called Corbyn a commie for proposing this during the election and now here we are. This is initially for 6 months but they will likely find that corporations will be reluctant to return to this industry when things get back to normal.

The railways are an essential service and the private companies have always been backed by government money. Time to rip up the facade and run the network for the benefit of the country.

Americans, this is why Leftists are all over Twitter today, panicking and hyperventilating about "the virus". It's not about the virus at all. They saw their chance to nationalize everything and, at Trump's signal yesterday, they see their chance melting away.

Don't be fooled. Let the UK go their way; they're sunk and have been for a long time.

We are not them.

THANK GOD

Its about private rail companies collapsing despite huge government subsidies. Why would we subsidise companies when we have to step in and pick up the pieces anyway ?
UK rail service is pretty much the worst in Europe. Hopefully it will improve because of this.

I actually agree with you Tommy, Amtrak is the government supported train service in the United States and it has been running since the 70's and has failed to make a profit. Time to let them die on their own as they are not cost effective forms of transportation, here and in the UK.

 

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You pseudo-libertarians are funny......because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping you from proving how everyone else is wrong -- and how this barter libertarian economy is more superior.....just go start your own country or maybe just a little island, call it a seastead or whatever....then you can prove all of the rest of the world wrong....oh wait!

"In 2008, Thiel, a billionaire investor and Trump transition team member, launched a mission to develop a floating city, called a seastead, that would operate independently from existing nations. Thiel invested $1.7 million in The Seasteading Institute, but resigned from its board in 2011. He later said in an interview that engineering seasteads is "not quite feasible."

A Silicon Valley billionaire's dream of a floating libertarian utopia may have finally been killed

The Seasteading Institute wants to build a floating libertarian utopia in the middle of the ocean. But a key partner has pulled out of the plans.

www.businessinsider.com

"Not quite feasible" is always something libertarians are forced to concede when their delusions have to face reality....

good lord you get emotional when you lose a discussion

I haven't lost anything...your failure to post a link to this free market economy is your problem.....

you are the one who said money has intrinsic value....it doesn't.....it's value comes from government...

its value comes from the fact I earned it,,,

only useful idiot socialist think the way you do,,,