The Trump/Zelensky Spectacle In The White House Was Valuable!

[zaangalewa]

/—-/ The world now sees what President Trump has been dealing with behind closed doors.

Eh? ... By the way: Of what is Donald Trump president? Of Bitcoins, Russia and Saudi Arabia?

 

[zaangalewa]

They are suggesting no such thing you effin clown.

Ukraine is free to continue fighting for as long as they can to hold onto their freedom.

But if they NEED our help, then we make the rules and dictate the policy to THEM. They dictate NOTHING to us.

Or with other words: Who trusts in the USA is lost

 

[zaangalewa]

We did not vote to sell out Ukraine, much less the USA, to Russia.

Are you sure?

 

[Bleipriester]

You convinced me long years ago with a lot of energy that you are a Nazi in the third generation of Nazis. So shut up, Nazi.

Sure, sure, third generation of Nazis...

 

[dudmuck]

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[zaangalewa]

Sure, sure, third generation of Nazis...

This is what you said to me long years ago. I did not believe it because you are no German. But you convinced me it is true. Now you are on the side of the tyrant Putin - what's currently typical for Nazis.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Eh? ... By the way: Of what is Donald Trump president? Of Bitcoins, Russia and Saudi Arabia?

/----/ Stupid question. It has nothing to do with Trump exposing the way Zenlinskyy is acting. He was rude and arrogant towards Biden too.

 

[Bleipriester]

This is what you said to me long years ago. I did not believe it because you are no German. But you convinced me it is true. Now you are on the side of the tyrant Putin - what's currently typical for Nazis.

You come up with that. My response is irony.

 

[zaangalewa]

You come up with that. My response is irony.

A little sweet girl with an Argentian razor (=chainsaw) likes to save the US-American economy? I'm sure you will find idiots to shave, innocentily sunnily girlily.

 

[Bleipriester]

A little sweet girl with an Argentian razor (=chainsaw) likes to save the US-American economy? I'm sure you will find idiots to shave, innocentily sunnily girlily.

She heads the Department of Sidewalk Efficiency. And it is a Swedish company, by the way.

 

[marvin martian]

It was a good development yesterday that the President Trump and President Zelensky press appearance in the White House devolved into a never before seen in America public argument between two Heads of State because both men need to move their positions on the Ukraine War if it is to be permanently resolved. Trump needs to acknowledge at least privately that the continued honoring of the peace agreement needs to rest on more than the fact that Donald Trump is President of the United States; and I would concede that Putin realizes that Trump will cross lines that most U.S. Presidents won't cross and so Putin won't test Trump by breaking the deal, but Trump will only be in office for four more years. What if the next President is like JD Vance who believes the right-wing garbage that Ukraine is about as corrupt as a country can be and so is not worth saving; what does Ukraine do in five years when Putin starts up his war again to take more of Ukraine and the Ukraine government asks a President Vance for help and he sends the response he has been known to harbor "I don't care!". About five years is all Putin needs to rebuild his army and make it much more lethal for Putin is smart he knows his current problem is that he has too many conscripts who are flunky soldiers and what he needs to do is rebuild his army with professional soldiers and to put it more crassly are professional killers which will enable Putin to send he Army against Ukrainian military lines and it will seem like a powerful buzz saw is going against those lines. Wisdom dictates that to insure that the peace agreement is permanently honored after the deal is made Ukraine's security ability will need to be dramatically strengthened to make it impractical and unlikely to succeed for Putin to try to take Ukrainian land by force! On the other side of the equation President Volodymir Zelensky needs to stop advocating for America's military power to back-up any peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia because what this means is that America will more likely than not someday be in a direct military conflict with Russia with only the date when the fighting starts being the unresolved question and the American people don't want and will not support the American government taking on such a commitment!


The European peace plan although well intentioned won't work a European peace force in Ukraine to safeguard the peace is a fool's plan, peace forces only work with developing countries because their militaries aren't real strong, a European or United Nations peace force is not going to work in a conflict with a superpower like Russia, history bears this out. When Putin decides its time to take more or all of Ukraine, a Russian battlefield commander will send a message to the commander of the international peace force instructing that all your peacekeepers return to your base and remain there or they all will be wiped out; and history bears out the peacekeepers will comply so that from a practicality standpoint they are useless as a security guarantee!

What needs to happen to insure that Russia permanently honors a peace deal is that Ukraine needs to be given the power to really hurt Putin bad if he starts up again. To this end, President Zelensky has asked for "twenty" Patriot batteries. The United States should give as many of these 20 Patriot batteries the United States militarily can spare, it has been reported that some top U.S. military officials have concerns that America is at its limit on how many Patriots it can give away and still fill America's security needs; and the United States should give Ukraine enough missiles for these Patriot batteries to supply the batteries for one month. Most importantly though the U.S. Government should make the commitment to Ukraine that it can buy as many Patriot batteries it wants and this is doubly most important it can buy however many Patriot missiles it wants (prudence would call for Ukraine to buy Patriot missiles in the numbers that would equal the usage rate for the current war that would then supply the Ukrainian military for two years because probably the manufacturing rate cannot match the usage rate). On the up side for the U.S. government where is the Ukraine government going to go to buy Patriot batteries and Patriot missiles, a French company a British company a German company "no" to Raytheon a U.S. company so U.S. jobs and U.S. tax revenue will flow from the move! How else to make the Ukraine military a stronger deterrent; give Ukraine "eighteen" F-16 combat planes and permission to buy as many missiles they want for the planes these planes would pose a lethal threat to Russian attack columns invading Ukraine for the planes can blow-up Russian tanks and troop carriers in these columns with laser guided missiles when beyond visual range of these columns. This transfer of F-16 planes to Ukraine is no significant security loss to the U.S. government for it is replacing the F-16 and what will happen to the removed from service F-16s they will be mothballed at some air base out in the desert; it is in America's better interests to not only use some of these F-16 to secure the peace but these are high maintenance weapon systems so Ukraine will have to buy a lot of parts and services from Lockheed Martin, a U.S. manufacturer and buy a lot of missiles for the plane also from U.S. manufacturers, again creating jobs and tax revenue for America!

Lastly, a valuable deterrent against Putin again invading Ukraine is if the Ukrainian government at will could successfully bomb deep into Russia, especially government buildings in Moscow. Frankly, knowing Putin's character such a development would tend to drive Putin nuts! This valuable deterrent could be achieved by giving the Ukrainian military, more specifically an Ukrainian arms manufacturers of which there are many, the designs and know how to build "high speed long range" missiles (of course conditions could be put on this assistance where the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian manufacturer could only make these missiles for the Ukrainian military and none could be transferred to another country without the U.S. governments permission). In five years the Ukrainian government should be able to build at least two hundred and fifty of these missiles, if Putin starts up his campaign again to steal Ukrainian land these missiles could be used to bomb Russian cities like Moscow and Volgograd after such bombings I don't think Putin will still hold amongst his people his persona of this invincible super strong leader!

President Donald Trump can continue to embark on his campaign to get Ukrainian rare earth minerals but it is unjust and unamerican the previous Congress and the previous President already gave most of the $100 billion dollars of assistance to Ukraine in grants it is unjust to now try to change the arrangement by which Ukraine got this assistance; moreover, this claim the aid figure is more like $350 billion makes President Trump not look honest because President Trump is probably trying to use replacement figures for weapons and munitions we gave to Ukraine which is unjust because it doesn't serve the needs of America to replace these weapons like the M1 Abram tank such a weapon is too cumbersome and vulnerable on the modern battlefield and cluster artillery shells are not consistent with America's public policy we don't want to litter battlefields with small bomblets which will maim and kill innocent civilians over time! President Donald Trump has the opportunity here to go down in history as a great President who ended this major war in Europe that the continent hasn't seen since World War II; but he needs to act like a traditional President to accomplish it, he needs to spend what is needed to solve this Ukrainian war problem and stop worrying about what America gets out of it. Not only does the Ukranian government need this war to end but Vladimir Putin needs it to end big-time the Russian President cannot continue to expend young Russian men's lives like he has been and he knows it that is why he tried the crazy plan of using North Korean soldiers to fight the Ukrainian army these soldiers were told that they were fighting South Korean soldiers and at all cost don't allow yourself to be taken prisoner if you do you will be considered as being a spy.

Europe needs to stop living in its conventional world, the U.S. government has become an unreliable security partner you cannot rely on the U.S. government to fund the defense of Europe against a tyrant who is using his army to invade a country that is at your doorstep. Many European countries have impounded monies that the Russian government held in their countries just in case the Russian Ruble and other Russian monetary tools became unusable. Europe should now allow such impounded Russian monies to pay civil judgments. Ukraine should be permitted in European courts to sue Russia for the Russian government unjustly destroying large parts of Ukrainian towns and cities and the impounded monies should be used to pay the damage awards in the lawsuits and you're talking about hundreds of billions of impounded Russian money available! Ukraine should also remember America isn't a dictatorship America has a powerful legislature, I think the probability is greater than fifty percent that Trump and the Republicans cannot get the budget/reconciliation bill through Congress, reports are that a group of House Republican want to change the funding for Medicaid the health insurance for twenty percent of the American people where they cut $50 billion out of the program per year by changing the funding with the states getting a per capita set fee which raises on a yearly basis with inflation which in English means the states won't be able to provide health insurance for all their citizens that need it which is intolerable and untenable and won't pass the Congress. The point is that Trump is going to end up having to negotiate with the Democrats to fund the government, raise the debt ceiling and extend the 2017 tax cuts and the Democrats think it is wrong for President Trump to shut off the military aid spigot to Ukraine they get it that Ukraine is fighting a war to spare America from having to fight a war in Poland against Russia which our Nato obligations necessitate the bottom line is that I think the Democrats end up getting some significant military aid for Ukraine!

It definitely confirmed the rumors that Zelensky is a coke fiend.

I haven't seen that much nose wiping, eye rolling, and head twitching since Charlie Sheen's last birthday party.

 

[Darkwind]

Or with other words: Who trusts in the USA is lost

In any international relationship, trust can and is often abused and is NEVER forever. I would never trust Ukraine to keep its word, the same as I would NEVER trust NATO to keep its word.

That is a eyes-open wide acknowledgment of the world of mankind.

 

[Litwin]

You act as if Russia is in trouble

yes! your ISIS in snow is in big trouble !

 

[GLASNOST]

In any international relationship, trust can and is often abused and is NEVER forever.

You're probably right.

I would never trust Ukraine to keep its word, the same as I would NEVER trust NATO to keep its word.

Zoolinsky isn't even the official president of Ukraine. His time in office expired long ago and he banned democrtic elections. He's just a Dictator.
Don't get me started on NATO.

 

[zaangalewa]

She heads the Department of Sidewalk Efficiency. And it is a Swedish company, by the way.

Sure, Nazi. You are totally harmless - as was Hitler. But the Nazis under Hitler did not know what will happen. It was the first time. But uncreative followers of old ideas today - as is the Nazi Elon Musk - know very well what they are doing. New Nazis like you and Musk are much more dangerous than had been the old Nazis.

 

[zaangalewa]

In any international relationship, trust can and is often abused and is NEVER forever. I would never trust Ukraine to keep its word, the same as I would NEVER trust NATO to keep its word.

That is a eyes-open wide acknowledgment of the world of mankind.

You are an US-American who finds reason not to trust. We trusted in Russia - Russia started a war. Nevertheless it was okay to trust in Russia. We gave Russia all chances to live in peace. The fact that Russia chose war is their problem - not ours. We will defend ourselves and Europe - including Ukraine - and therefore also the USA - as best we can. The fact that you are talking shit and nonsense has nothing to do with it.

Your problem is in another dimension: You fight yourselve and you trust in your enemies. And you left the NATO while you the same time like to continue to lead the NATO. Absurd.

By the way: Nevertheless I fear we will have to cancel orders in the US-American weapon industry. You are no reliable partner any longer. For example we ordered F32 fighters what makes not a big sense when the USA doesn't like to use the successful deterrence strategy of the Cold War any longer. We ordered them because they can carry US-American nukes. Reason: To shock the Russians. They know we have pilots who are able to reach every target in Russia. We will have to find other ways now how to increase the risk for the Russians. Will not be easy. I personally prefer proven strategies.

And Donald Trump makes all forms of business with the USA very risky. I don't think Donald Trump or Elon Musk really know how the economy works. After all, neither of them has ever really had to work for their money and their ideas are extremely antiquated.

 

[skye]

You're probably right.

Zoolinsky isn't even the official president of Ukraine. His time in office expired long ago and he banned democrtic elections. He's just a Dictator.
Don't get me started on NATO.

Well said!

 

[zaangalewa]

Well said!



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He spoke stupid nonsense and you agree with this bullshity Russian propagandistic nonsense. Why?

 

[Bleipriester]

Sure, Nazi. You are totally harmless - as was Hitler. But the Nazis under Hitler did not know what will happen. It was the first time. But uncreative followers of old ideas today - as is the Nazi Elon Musk - know very well what they are doing. New Nazis like you and Musk are much more dangerous than had been the old Nazis.

Yes, very harmless. You on the other hand who constantly ring the bell are responsible for the toxic environment.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes, very harmless.

Some years ago I was convinced you will end in a jail. ... Hmmm ... Did you? ...

You on the other hand who constantly ring the bell are responsible for the toxic environment.

Nice victim perpetrator conversion. But I was only a short time - long ago - irritated when a Nazi like you tried to call me Nazi - or "toxic for the environment" as you say here. Criminals always try to call others criminals, criminal. And god always knows the truth. Why did you try to convince me with an unbelievable stubborness years ago to be a proud Nazi in the third generation of Nazis? You did not stop to do so until you convinced me this has to be true, un-German or anti-German. Whatelse should be a reason to do so? Be happy: You are damn tough and sticky and damn 'successful' - focus on damned or self-damning.