And now, a truly relevant opinion on monuments to the Confederacy

[Penelope]

So you view Robert E. Lee as fundamentally immoral and racist. Interesting. And yet you want him honored with statues?

Never said the thing. Those Democrats of the South wanted to keep slavery going and even into the new territories that were opened up by Andrew Jackson(Democrat) with his Manifest Destiny(war on Native Americans) but the Northern Republicans and not one Northern Democrats voted for ending slavery. So off wen the south to secede from the Union, with many uninformed southerners who thought they were fighting for states rights. The public education system which has mostly liberals in charge, started changing history to reflect the states rights idea, yet when you look at real history , it is clear the Democrat Politicians were fighting to keep their slaves. Even after the civil war, those on the left wanted to white wash history such as Woodrow Wilson and LBJ, and used KKK members like Robert Byrd to go against blacks and terrorize them as they did back in the late 1800's. The book below shows with bullet points and pictures what the Democrats of old and new thought about black people. Just like Hillary though about black people when she honored Margaret Sanger..

https://www.amazon.com/Setting-Record-Straight-American-History/dp/1932225277&tag=ff0d01-20

GREAT TRUE FACTS - SHOWS SOUTHERN DEMO'S WERE KKK MEMBERS IN CONGRESS WHO OPPOSED CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND OTHER THINGS WHICH IKE WANTED BUT LBJ AND OTHERS OPPOSED WHEN LEADERS IN CONGRESS.

Are you even aware that Lee was a Democrat?

And? Abraham Lincoln was a Republican that wanted the have blacks treated as equals. But you Democrats went out of your way to keep the blacks, Native Americans, German Americans, Japanese Americans, and any other American from being equal. It is the liberal elitist way to divide and conquer, that way the liberals elites can have the power. Such stupid people who vote Dumbocrat..

We all know yesterday Dems are todays Pubs.

Also Sager was not a racist.

BlackGenocide.org | Planned Parenthood
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

Are you calling these colored people liars? You fucking racist bitch..

Yes.

 

[Marion Morrison]

These leftist fuckers are treading on real thin ice. They'll eventually go to the wrong little town and get slaughtered.

 

[Geaux4it]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Why would you care what Lee thought. You and your marxist friends are winning.

Bask in the glory

-Geaux

Why would you not care?

Isn't there something incredibly bizarre about having to throw Lee himself under the bus in order to satisfy your own selfish desires?

But that's not the case

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Why would you care what Lee thought. You and your marxist friends are winning.

Bask in the glory

-Geaux

Why would you not care?

Isn't there something incredibly bizarre about having to throw Lee himself under the bus in order to satisfy your own selfish desires?

But that's not the case

-Geaux

Are you willing to respect his clearly stated desire not to have monuments to him put up?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And? Abraham Lincoln was a Republican that wanted the have blacks treated as equals. But you Democrats went out of your way to keep the blacks, Native Americans, German Americans, Japanese Americans, and any other American from being equal. It is the liberal elitist way to divide and conquer, that way the liberals elites can have the power. Such stupid people who vote Dumbocrat..

We all know yesterday Dems are todays Pubs.

Also Sager was not a racist.

BlackGenocide.org | Planned Parenthood
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

Are you calling these colored people liars? You fucking racist bitch..

Yes.

Just typical of a liberal to be a racist.

GROSSU: Margaret Sanger, racist eugenicist extraordinaire

She even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered” (Margaret Sanger, “An Autobiography,” Page 366). That she generated enthusiasm among some of America’s leading racists says something about the content and tone of her remarks.

Why would you want to make birth control illegal for poor black women?

Because more birth control should be used for all stupid liberal women. I am not a racist who only sees blacks, but all stupid liberal women, need to not spread their gene pool.

 

[Geaux4it]

Your 'supported' link is broke. It goes to Yahoo spam page

-Geaux

Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments

Actually, Robert E. Lee was against erecting Confederate memorials - CNN

Now the radical left is commending a slave owning Confederate general, that last month they hated with all their bleeding heart.

HYPOCRITE!!!

I merely informed you of Lee's opinion on the matter, because I wanted to enjoy the flood of deflection, denial, and outright rejection of Lee's opinion that I knew I would get in response.

Okay...that is merely an admission of stupidity.

If you can dispute the above facts as to Lee's opinions, by all means, post your alternative facts, lol.

Otherwise, shut up and quit making a fool of yourself.

Lee also noted
"All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times."

Two things are worthy of note: 'to protect the graves'. As we all are aware, the alt-left likes to dig up the graves of confederate dead and have them moved.

As here in Memphis;

Late Tuesday, the Memphis, Tennessee, City Council voted unanimously to dig up the remains of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife, Talking Points Memo reported Wednesday.

Read more: Memphis council votes to DIG UP Confederate corpse, SELL statue off!!
----------
And more
-----------------
A group of anti-Confederate protesters aren’t happy enough with the declaration by the city of Memphis that it wants to dig up and move the remains of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest.

They want it done now.

A group surrounded a shovel Wednesday and ceremoniously removed a chunk of grass and soil.

“We are going to bring the back hoe, the tractors and the men with the equipment to raise Bedford Forrest from the soil of Memphis,” Isaac Richmond with the “Commission on Religion and Racism” declared to awaiting TV cameras, CBS 3 reported. end quote
---------------------

And Lee also stated he felt we should wait on 'better times' for which we have clearly endured since the Civil War

So, I caution the left in Championing Lee as their justification on desecration of graves and monuments.

-Geaux

 

[bendog]

Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments

Actually, Robert E. Lee was against erecting Confederate memorials - CNN

Now the radical left is commending a slave owning Confederate general, that last month they hated with all their bleeding heart.

HYPOCRITE!!!

I merely informed you of Lee's opinion on the matter, because I wanted to enjoy the flood of deflection, denial, and outright rejection of Lee's opinion that I knew I would get in response.

Okay...that is merely an admission of stupidity.

If you can dispute the above facts as to Lee's opinions, by all means, post your alternative facts, lol.

Otherwise, shut up and quit making a fool of yourself.

Lee also noted
"All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times."

Two things are worthy of note: 'to protect the graves'. As we all are aware, the alt-left likes to dig up the graves of confederate dead and have them moved.

As here in Memphis;

Late Tuesday, the Memphis, Tennessee, City Council voted unanimously to dig up the remains of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife, Talking Points Memo reported Wednesday.

Read more: Memphis council votes to DIG UP Confederate corpse, SELL statue off!!
----------
And more
-----------------
A group of anti-Confederate protesters aren’t happy enough with the declaration by the city of Memphis that it wants to dig up and move the remains of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest.

They want it done now.

A group surrounded a shovel Wednesday and ceremoniously removed a chunk of grass and soil.

“We are going to bring the back hoe, the tractors and the men with the equipment to raise Bedford Forrest from the soil of Memphis,” Isaac Richmond with the “Commission on Religion and Racism” declared to awaiting TV cameras, CBS 3 reported. end quote
---------------------

And Lee also stated he felt we should wait on 'better times' for which we have clearly endured since the Civil War

So, I caution the left in Championing Lee as their justification on desecration of graves and monuments.

-Geaux

Doing a bang up job making their argument for them. LOL. Even I can't come up for an excuse for not dumping those bodies and statute in an unmarked hole. LOL

 

[Geaux4it]

Now the radical left is commending a slave owning Confederate general, that last month they hated with all their bleeding heart.

HYPOCRITE!!!

I merely informed you of Lee's opinion on the matter, because I wanted to enjoy the flood of deflection, denial, and outright rejection of Lee's opinion that I knew I would get in response.

Okay...that is merely an admission of stupidity.

If you can dispute the above facts as to Lee's opinions, by all means, post your alternative facts, lol.

Otherwise, shut up and quit making a fool of yourself.

Lee also noted
"All I think that can now be done, is to aid our noble & generous women in their efforts to protect the graves & mark the last resting places of those who have fallen, & wait for better times."

Two things are worthy of note: 'to protect the graves'. As we all are aware, the alt-left likes to dig up the graves of confederate dead and have them moved.

As here in Memphis;

Late Tuesday, the Memphis, Tennessee, City Council voted unanimously to dig up the remains of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife, Talking Points Memo reported Wednesday.

Read more: Memphis council votes to DIG UP Confederate corpse, SELL statue off!!
----------
And more
-----------------
A group of anti-Confederate protesters aren’t happy enough with the declaration by the city of Memphis that it wants to dig up and move the remains of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest.

They want it done now.

A group surrounded a shovel Wednesday and ceremoniously removed a chunk of grass and soil.

“We are going to bring the back hoe, the tractors and the men with the equipment to raise Bedford Forrest from the soil of Memphis,” Isaac Richmond with the “Commission on Religion and Racism” declared to awaiting TV cameras, CBS 3 reported. end quote
---------------------

And Lee also stated he felt we should wait on 'better times' for which we have clearly endured since the Civil War

So, I caution the left in Championing Lee as their justification on desecration of graves and monuments.

-Geaux

Doing a bang up job making their argument for them. LOL. Even I can't come up for an excuse for not dumping those bodies and statute in an unmarked hole. LOL

I think I know what you meant....

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
An independent is a liberal too ashamed to admit they are liberal..

So by that you are admitting that conservatives are a small minority.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, I'm not. You don't get to tell me what thread I can comment in. If you can't answer my argument perhaps you should just say so. There's no shame in it.

Your post has something to do with Robert E. Lee not wanting Confederate monuments?

Please point out that part of your post that applies. I'll stand corrected.

...and the response is stunned silence. lol, big surprise.

Hmm, if you could answer my initial post, then I would feel compelled to answer yours. But here you are preaching how bad the confederacy was yet citing the words of a confederate general to butress your argument.

Aren't we being a tad bit... hypocritical?

Your ad hominem obsession with whether or not I'm hypocritical is also off topic.

PS, there's no question to answer in your original post.

Your ignorance of debate is astounding. Arguments don't always have to come in the form of a question.

Second of all, it's not ad hominem when it's true.

Your argument is that Lee was lying when he expressed those opinions.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Yes. Odd how the very people today that are crying about 'erasing history' are themselves engaged in erasing the real history of the very man they claim to revere. HE told the South to move on, forget the Confederacy, and not put up any markers of their struggle against their own country.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Yes. Odd how the very people today that are crying about 'erasing history' are themselves engaged on erasing the real history of the very man they claim to revere. HE told the South to move on, forget the Confederacy, and not put up any markers of their struggle against their own country.

The 'erasing history' line was nonsense even before these opinions of Lee were dug up.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Yes. Odd how the very people today that are crying about 'erasing history' are themselves engaged on erasing the real history of the very man they claim to revere. HE told the South to move on, forget the Confederacy, and not put up any markers of their struggle against their own country.

The 'erasing history' line was nonsense even before these opinions of Lee were dug up.

They know this, but they have nothing else in the way of an argument and it 'feels good' for them so say this line to themselves.

 

[Coyote]

Please get back on topic.

 

[jon_berzerk]

more nameless moderating deleting posts

--LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

[ Many of my friends of color, and I have more of them than I do white, have read the book also, and will never again, vote Democrat.

That makes your friends idiots.

 

[Harry Dresden]

When the question is of monuments to those who fought against the "Perpetual Union", the issue remains clear. As usual, however, the debate had deteriorated into everyone's particular hate being justified. The silliness of it all is exasperating. Where is the intelligence in America today?

It's all just more evidence that the inescapable truth is that the history of America, at its core, is the history of race relations.

95% of southerners did not own slaves when the Civil War was fought. The rich elites and the pols who were funded by them were fighting to keep slavery legal because it would have broken their piggy banks. The majority of Confederates were fighting because the Union army was marching into their fields, stealing their livestock, blowing up their railroad tracks and stopping shipping commerce, including every day necessities. Then it became personal and the two sides began hating each other.
I don't think it is necessary to take down the statues of confederate soldiers unless a community votes to do so. This is their ancestors. We forgave the south when the war ended. We did not brand them all haters and enemies forever more. Ugly racism still exists, but it sure as hell doesn't exist only in the south. I think this is going too far.

I guess you are giving the revisionist theory about the civil war. Bet you never bothered to read the truth of the Democrats like it says in the book, I listed. Of course if you do read it, you will realize that your whole life has been 1 big Liberal Lie.

I'm not interested in who started it--the Democrats or the Republicans. Could care less which party was involved. Times change. I know what Democrats today stand for, and sometimes I vote for them. Sometimes I don't. I'm an Independent.

Ah a fence rider, who has no spine. Just sways which ever way the wind blows. An independent is a liberal too ashamed to admit they are liberal..

an Independent is someone who doesnt have his or her head up one of the 2 parties collective asses....

 

[Geaux4it]

Your post has something to do with Robert E. Lee not wanting Confederate monuments?

Please point out that part of your post that applies. I'll stand corrected.

...and the response is stunned silence. lol, big surprise.

Hmm, if you could answer my initial post, then I would feel compelled to answer yours. But here you are preaching how bad the confederacy was yet citing the words of a confederate general to butress your argument.

Aren't we being a tad bit... hypocritical?

Your ad hominem obsession with whether or not I'm hypocritical is also off topic.

PS, there's no question to answer in your original post.

Your ignorance of debate is astounding. Arguments don't always have to come in the form of a question.

Second of all, it's not ad hominem when it's true.

Your argument is that Lee was lying when he expressed those opinions.

NYcarbineer- So have you had time to reflect on my comments re: Lee's opinion on monuments post #66? I see you're rather silent.

-Geaux

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Wait, so now you're praising the man?

I'm a bit bewildered. You can't label him evil enough to warrant his removal from the public square then use him as a positive source, you know...well because....you already labeled him evil.

Spinning like that is gonna make everyone sick so maybe you should stop

 

[MaryL]

Robert E. Lee's own opinion. He opposed them.


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

"...As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war...."


Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

Does this mean that putting up and insisting on preserving a statue of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate monuments is an attempt to erase the history of what this man truly believed?

Lee was a contradiction, he also had the option of of becoming a Union general. He chose the Confederacy and the defense of slavery instead. I never understood this fascination for Confederacy. Or the Confederate flag or their monuments, let alone why they were ever allowed in the first place. But in retrospect, they exist and they have historical meaning. I am reminded of the Taliban destroying 1000 year old Buddhist statues, or ISIS destroying priceless archaeological artifacts (along with buildings and shrines) because it "offended them", too. So, I am a little conflicted on this issue, like Lee. Is art and freedom more important that fleeting ideological/personal tastes?