The Touchy Subject of Black Confederate Soldiers

[EdwinAMartin]

All you can do is repost Lost Cause revisionist history

the revisionism is the fake Lincoln history. There is no 'Lost Cause' rubbish going on; nobody is advocating returning to slavery. That's just dishonest derailment.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Texas vs White was not a case where secession was argued before the Supreme Court. Where did you get that idea?

Quantrill

True. It was about the military governor of Texas wanting to line his pockets with $100,000 in bonds.

 

[Quantrill]

All you can do is repost Lost Cause revisionist history

What revisionist history have I posted? Name the post and reference.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

Texas vs White was not a case where secession was argued before the Supreme Court. Where did you get that idea?

And why do you give a quote without giving where it came from?

Quantrill

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/#:~:text=Primary%20Holding.%20States%20do%20not%20have%20the,War%20always%20remained%20part%20of%20the%20nation.

Texas v. White: A Landmark Supreme Court Case on State Sovereignty

Explore the historical significance of Texas v. White, a pivotal Supreme Court case that addressed the status of Texas post-secession and the legality of Reconstruction governments in the South.

www.tshaonline.org

Texas v. White (1869) | Center for the Study of Federalism

The case of Texas v. White (1869) is particularly important because in it the Supreme Court, speaking through Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, gave its judgment on the large issue...

federalism.org

 

[EdwinAMartin]

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

lol it's you that can't read.

 

[Unkotare]

lol it's you that can't read.

Tell the Supreme Court it's "fake news."

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Tell the Supreme Court it's "fake news."

They already know it. It's you that is clueless.

 

[Unkotare]

They already know it. It's you that is clueless.

Reality is giving you the finger.

 

[Unkotare]

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/#:~:text=Primary%20Holding.%20States%20do%20not%20have%20the,War%20always%20remained%20part%20of%20the%20nation.

Texas v. White: A Landmark Supreme Court Case on State Sovereignty

Explore the historical significance of Texas v. White, a pivotal Supreme Court case that addressed the status of Texas post-secession and the legality of Reconstruction governments in the South.

www.tshaonline.org

Texas v. White (1869) | Center for the Study of Federalism

The case of Texas v. White (1869) is particularly important because in it the Supreme Court, speaking through Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, gave its judgment on the large issue...

federalism.org

^^

 

[Quantrill]

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/#:~:text=Primary%20Holding.%20States%20do%20not%20have%20the,War%20always%20remained%20part%20of%20the%20nation.

Texas v. White: A Landmark Supreme Court Case on State Sovereignty

Explore the historical significance of Texas v. White, a pivotal Supreme Court case that addressed the status of Texas post-secession and the legality of Reconstruction governments in the South.

www.tshaonline.org

Texas v. White (1869) | Center for the Study of Federalism

The case of Texas v. White (1869) is particularly important because in it the Supreme Court, speaking through Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, gave its judgment on the large issue...

federalism.org

Oh yes, I can read, which is your problem.

Again, nothing you have produced has showed that 'secession' was ever argued before the Supreme Court. Texas vs White was not about proving the legality of secession.

So, the Supreme Court has never made a decision on the legality of secession of a State. They had the chance to with the trial of Jefferson Davis where he was to be tried for 'treason'. Which would show 'secession' was treason.

But the Yankees crawfished. They were bold with their 'mob declarations' and 'mob rule'. But once the courts were back, instead of military bullshit, they found out that Ole Jeff might be right. They shit their pants, opened the cell door and let Ole Jeff go free.

They didn't want the world to know that it was they who was traitor. It was they who killed some 800,000 people and destroyed the nation. Best let Ole Jeff go free.

So, you and others had their chance to prove and couldn't. And that's why you and others look so stupid.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

...

Again, nothing you have produced has showed that 'secession' was ever argued before the Supreme Court. ...

"The Court decided that secession was illegal,"

 

[Unkotare]

...

So, the Supreme Court has never made a decision on the legality of secession of a State. ....

"The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War"

 

[JoeB131]

No, as I said, what is dumb is your understanding of history. You can't keep to the truth of history because you don't know it. All you can do is flap your lips just like @rightwinger. And for some reason yall think it means something. It doesn't.

Your opinion means nothing without historical record to back it up.

I've got a degree in history and have posted REAMS of information that the Civil War was about slavery and ONLY slavery

 

[JoeB131]

Oh yes, I can read, which is your problem.

Again, nothing you have produced has showed that 'secession' was ever argued before the Supreme Court. Texas vs White was not about proving the legality of secession.

So, the Supreme Court has never made a decision on the legality of secession of a State. They had the chance to with the trial of Jefferson Davis where he was to be tried for 'treason'. Which would show 'secession' was treason.

But the Yankees crawfished. They were bold with their 'mob declarations' and 'mob rule'. But once the courts were back, instead of military bullshit, they found out that Ole Jeff might be right. They shit their pants, opened the cell door and let Ole Jeff go free.

They didn't want the world to know that it was they who was traitor. It was they who killed some 800,000 people and destroyed the nation. Best let Ole Jeff go free.

So, you and others had their chance to prove and couldn't. And that's why you and others look so stupid.

Quantrill

Actually, the biggest mistake they made was not prosecuting the Confederate Traitors. That got us 100 years of Jim Crow.

Just like not prosecuting the warmongers of the Second Reich brought us the Third Reich.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

^^

So you post links you haven't read? Weird.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

They didn't want the world to know that it was they who was traitor. It was they who killed some 800,000 people and destroyed the nation. Best let Ole Jeff go free.

Lincoln was a railroad lawyer with a massive corporate welfare agenda based on the old Whig 'American system' and wanted to tax the South to pay for northern subsidies.


"But what am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaning the Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on...[a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with their ten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the Virginian Commissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4,1861.

 

[Unkotare]

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."
...

Read, idiot ^^^.

 

[Unkotare]

So, you really can't read at all, huh?

"Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), is a landmark Supreme Court case ruling that the U.S. Constitution created an "indestructible Union" and states cannot unilaterally secede. The Court decided that secession was illegal, Texas remained a state during the Civil War, and its Confederate-era actions were invalid."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/#:~:text=Primary%20Holding.%20States%20do%20not%20have%20the,War%20always%20remained%20part%20of%20the%20nation.

Texas v. White: A Landmark Supreme Court Case on State Sovereignty

Explore the historical significance of Texas v. White, a pivotal Supreme Court case that addressed the status of Texas post-secession and the legality of Reconstruction governments in the South.

www.tshaonline.org

Texas v. White (1869) | Center for the Study of Federalism

The case of Texas v. White (1869) is particularly important because in it the Supreme Court, speaking through Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, gave its judgment on the large issue...

federalism.org

^^^

 

[Quantrill]

I've got a degree in history and have posted REAMS of information that the Civil War was about slavery and ONLY slavery

Scary thought.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Actually, the biggest mistake they made was not prosecuting the Confederate Traitors. That got us 100 years of Jim Crow.

Just like not prosecuting the warmongers of the Second Reich brought us the Third Reich.

They tried to. They went through various lawyers trying to take on the case. But after these lawyers studied up on the case, they resigned from it. The case was a loser for the North. Below quotes from (When In The Course Of Human Events, Charles Adams, Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2000)

"A year passed after the withdrawal of John J. Clifford. Another special counsel was appointed to handle the case, the famous author and lawyer Richard Dana of Boston, who had written the great novel 'Two Years before the Mast'. But he too decided the case was a loser. He wrote a lengthy brief, given to the president, taking Clifford's position. Dana argued that a conviction will settle nothing in law or national practice not now settled ...as a rule of law by war.

"Thus as Dana observed, the right to secede from the Union had not been settled by civilized means but by military power and the destruction of much life and property in the South. The North should accept its uncivilized victory, however dirty its hands might be, and not expose the fruits of its carnage to scrutiny by a peaceful court of law. President Johnson then appointed a new attorney general but he wanted no part of the case and left it to the staff already working on it." p.(186)

President Johnson tried to pardon Jeff Davis to avoid the trial. Davis refused the pardon. He wanted a trial. He wanted his day in court.

To make Davis a traitor, as the North claimed, secession must be proved to be illegal and unconstitutional. They knew they couldn't do it. The idea of their military victory not being supported by law, was too much for them to take a chance on.

Thus, through another dog and pony show, by Chase, head of the Supreme Court, they just opened the cell door and told Jeff Davis to go away. The most hated man in the North was set free.

The only other thing they could do, as they did with many before, was just by military mob rule, drag him out of prison and just hang him. But, Lincoln was dead, courts, which he trampled on, were back in session. The rule of Law was back. The Constitution was back.

The North was the traitor.

Quantrill