Americans do not truly understand or appreciate Liberty.

[eagle1462010]

Yes, yes, yes. There's no such thing as freedom. Freedom is slavery.

Or so I have read.

The uS used tariffs for most of its existence. So has about every Nation on earth.

Free Trade has always been a Lie.

Tell me how VAT isnt really a Tariff?

 

[dblack]

The uS used tariffs for most of its existence. So has about every Nation on earth.

Free Trade has always been a Lie.

Wow... you're all in on the socialist propaganda!

 

[eagle1462010]

Wow... you're all in on the socialist propaganda!

BS. Again you refuse to answer.

Tariffs havent existed???

LMAO. Play your Con game somewhere else FAKE LIBERTARIAN

 

[lg325]

Which is never going to exist.

I understand your position but we can work toward it by eliminating socialism and the type of governments who use it.
By peaceful means by promoting Democracy and educating all people on a capitalist free market system and the people will bring it about.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Except the United States economy has been a mix of capitalism and socialism for almost a century now. Which is why is works.

Which is why we’re over 36 trillion in debt.

 

[pknopp]

I understand your position but we can work toward it by eliminating socialism and the type of governments who use it.

By peaceful means by promoting Democracy and educating all people on a capitalist free market system and the people will bring it about.

Never going to happen.

 

[dblack]

BS. Again you refuse to answer.

I'm following your lead. I asked a simple question, and you guys started spinning.... spin, spin, spin. When you got nothing ....

 

[0311]

I understand your position but we can work toward it by eliminating socialism and the type of governments who use it.
By peaceful means by promoting Democracy and educating all people on a capitalist free market system and the people will bring it about.

There is no such thing as a 'Free Market", just greed of oligarchs.

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The Illusion of Free Markets: Punishment and Myth of Natural Order.

The Illusion of Free Markets: Punishment and the Myth of Natural Order

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Book Review: The Big Myth-How American Business Taught Us to Loth Government and Love the Free Market.

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The Big Myth, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway, makes a compelling and well documented case that under the guise of protecting individual freedom, corporations and influential individuals organized to resist efforts to regulate industry. Oreskes and Conway peel away the cloak to expose concerted ef

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The Myth of the Free-Market U.S. Health Sector.

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The Big Myth, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway, makes a compelling and well documented case that under the guise of protecting individual freedom, corporations and influential individuals organized to resist efforts to regulate industry. Oreskes and Conway peel away the cloak to expose concerted ef

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You are pushing a lie; you are pushing a myth. There not now, nor has there ever been anything call a "Free Market".

 

[sparky]

"Freedom' can be hard to define

I've asked many......

all i know is, if the guy down the street has his freedoms violated, so are all of ours by proxy......

~S~

 

[dblack]

There is no such thing as a 'Free Market", just greed of oligarchs.

Freedom is slavery.

 

[Rumpole]

Individual freedom can only exist in the context of free-market capitalism. Personal freedom thrives in capitalism, declines in government-regulated economies, and vanishes in communism. Aside from better economic and legislative policies, what America needs is a more intense appreciation for individual freedom and capitalism.

I was born and raised in communist Romania during the Cold War, a country in which the government owned all the resources and means of production. The state controlled almost every aspect of our lives: our education, our job placement, the time of day we could have hot water, and what we were allowed to say.

Like the rest of the Eastern European countries, Romania was often referred to as a communist country. In school, we were taught it was a socialist country. Its name prior to the 1989 Revolution to overthrow the Ceausescu regime was the Socialist Republic of Romania.

From an economic standpoint, a petty fraction of property was still privately owned. In a communist system, all property is owned by the state. So if it wasn’t a true communist economy, its heavy central planning and the application of a totalitarian control over the Romanian citizenry made this nation rightfully gain its title of a communist country.

This is the problem with you guys form communists countries, you come here and think the extreme opposite direction, an unfettered free market is better. That's exactly what happened to Ayn Rand. It might be better than communism but what is better than both is a mixed economy. a centrist economy. all the western nations are mixed economies, and they are that way for a reason. Where does the pendulum rest? The pendulum (between the polar opposites, communism, socialism on one side, anarchy on the other side, the pendulum rests most peacefully at the center.

 

[Rumpole]

I understand your position but we can work toward it by eliminating socialism and the type of governments who use it.
By peaceful means by promoting Democracy and educating all people on a capitalist free market system and the people will bring it about.

Governments are necessary. Sorry, a totally free market leads to neo-feudalism, and fascism.

 

[dblack]

This is the problem with you guys form communists countries, you come here and think the extreme opposite direction, an unfettered free market is better. That's exactly what happened to Ayn Rand. It might be better than communism but what is better than both is a mixed economy. a centrist economy. all the western nations are mixed economies, and they are that way for a reason. Where does the pendulum rest? The pendulum (between the polar opposites, communism, socialism on one side, anarchy on the other side, the pendulum rests most peacefully at the center.

A "mixed economy" is the worst of both worlds.

 

[Rumpole]

A "mixed economy" is the worst of both worlds.

Your reply lacks substance. If you can't state your case, my comment stands.

 

[Curried Goats]

Freedom is slavery.

The original comment was about free markets not freedom! Free markets and freedom! aren't the same thing.

 

[dblack]

Your reply lacks substance. If you can't state your case, my comment stands.

Stands. Sits. Shit's itself. Whatever.

 

[Rumpole]

Stands. Sits. Shit's itself. Whatever.

Sorry, I do not engage with unserious fuckwits, like you.

 

[Dragonlady]

Our economy was at one time a combination, but no longer. It is far closer to Fascism, than anything else. Big government and big business have combined.

And you’re voting for it to happen every time you vote Republican.

The government is becoming more and more fascist, because the Republican Party has no policies which appeal to the voters so they have to lie to the public about their policies and suppress voters who refuse to vote for their lies.

You cannot run a nation of 340 million people, with “limited government”.

Individual freedom can only exist in the context of free-market capitalism. Personal freedom thrives in capitalism, declines in government-regulated economies, and vanishes in communism. Aside from better economic and legislative policies, what America needs is a more intense appreciation for individual freedom and capitalism.

I was born and raised in communist Romania during the Cold War, a country in which the government owned all the resources and means of production. The state controlled almost every aspect of our lives: our education, our job placement, the time of day we could have hot water, and what we were allowed to say.

Like the rest of the Eastern European countries, Romania was often referred to as a communist country. In school, we were taught it was a socialist country. Its name prior to the 1989 Revolution to overthrow the Ceausescu regime was the Socialist Republic of Romania.

From an economic standpoint, a petty fraction of property was still privately owned. In a communist system, all property is owned by the state. So if it wasn’t a true communist economy, its heavy central planning and the application of a totalitarian control over the Romanian citizenry made this nation rightfully gain its title of a communist country.

Not surprising that you're quoting a failure like Friedman. His work has been utterly discredited and there was much talk of trying him as a war criminal when he was alive, because his policies required an utter destruction of any left wing resistance. See Chile, Argentina, and Brazil in the 70's and 80's.

I also love how you happily claim that nations with "socialist" in their names, are/were in fact "socialist" in the policies. The "Socialist Republic of Romania" was in fact a left wing authoritarian dictatorship. There was nothing "socialist" about this country at all.

Wash rinse and repeat for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics which was also a communist dictatorship. Or the NAZI Party of Germany, which also had "socialist" in its name even though Hitler was virulently opposed to socialism in all of its forms and had to be talked out of changing the name.

Do you also believe that the People's Republic of North Korea is a "people's" anything much less a Republic?

 

[Dragonlady]

A "mixed economy" is the worst of both worlds.

Hardly. A mixed economy recognizes that there are some things that government does better and cheaper than the private sector - health care and education being two of them, and lets business operate and ply their trades in general, but requires honest and ethical business practices.

 

[gipper]

And you’re voting for it to happen every time you vote Republican.

The government is becoming more and more fascist, because the Republican Party has no policies which appeal to the voters so they have to lie to the public about their policies and suppress voters who refuse to vote for their lies.

You cannot run a nation of 340 million people, with “limited government”.


Not surprising that you're quoting a failure like Friedman. His work has been utterly discredited and there was much talk of trying him as a war criminal when he was alive, because his policies required an utter destruction of any left wing resistance. See Chile, Argentina, and Brazil in the 70's and 80's.

I also love how you happily claim that nations with "socialist" in their names, are/were in fact "socialist" in the policies. The "Socialist Republic of Romania" was in fact a left wing authoritarian dictatorship. There was nothing "socialist" about this country at all.

Wash rinse and repeat for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics which was also a communist dictatorship. Or the NAZI Party of Germany, which also had "socialist" in its name even though Hitler was virulently opposed to socialism in all of its forms and had to be talked out of changing the name.

Do you also believe that the People's Republic of North Korea is a "people's" anything much less a Republic?

Lol. I haven’t voted in years. I have no intention of ever voting again. It’s obviously a waste of time. If voting could change things, they wouldn’t let us vote.

You’re stuck in the uniparty matrix like so many dumb Americans on this forum.

You think voting D will fix things, when obviously it hasn’t and won’t.