America: “You have the RIGHT to an attorney”.....but not a doctor right guys?

[Nostra]

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. In fact if you cant afford one the govt literally says “one will be provided to you” free of charge. Wow. Thats pretty amazing.

But get sick? OOOOOHHHH NO....now you don’t have the right to someones service.

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

And you wonder why PRESIDENT BERNIE SANDERS is going to happen? This is why. And its past due.

The pesky Constitution.......always befuddles Dimsocialists.

 

[hadit]

The taxpayer ultimately pays for everything the government spends, either now or later.

Trump said we shouldn't worry about the debt. If we can pay for wars later we can pay for health care later.

The constitution mandates the one, not the other.

You are supposed to pay for it. I'm perfectly willing to pay for health care.

And you do if you have health insurance. You pay a lot for it.

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

And many of those countries depend on our military spending to afford it. Think about how much more France, Italy, and Greece for example, would be paying for defense if the US didn't have a strong presence in Europe. Add to that the billions that we pump into their economies and they can afford socialized medicine. Take us out of the equation and they wouldn't be able to spend as much. That's obvious.

 

[hadit]

The constitution mandates the one, not the other.

You are supposed to pay for it. I'm perfectly willing to pay for health care.

And you do if you have health insurance. You pay a lot for it.

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

You wanna give the government half of your paycheck and take public transportation or pay $7 a gallon for gasoline?

No, you can do that if you like. Besides like I've said many times......we aren't paying for things now.....why do we have to start with health care?

Start? We already are. And yes, we're paying for things now, because all that debt generates interest charges that eat up every increasing amounts of the budget. That's money we can't spend elsewhere.

 

[pknopp]

The Constitution specifies the government can take your freedom through due process which you will be granted before getting locked up.

You are unfamiliar with the Constitution?

you said due process. ask Rod Blagojevich. If he believed he got due process. Ask Roger Stone. go ahead.

They both did. I guess you don't understand the idea.

nope. I already explained it to you. Ask Blaggo. ask Stone. Ask about 90% of those in jail today.

Lol.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah about that...Um I'm 63 and haven't needed either. If you don't do drugs or taunt cops, its amazing how far you can go.

You'll need medicare granny. If not you'd never be able to afford to retire. SS too if you are like most people.

 

[pknopp]

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

You wanna give the government half of your paycheck and take public transportation or pay $7 a gallon for gasoline?

No, you can do that if you like. Besides like I've said many times......we aren't paying for things now.....why do we have to start with health care?

If you want National socialist healthcare, then be prepared to give half your paycheck to the government and use public transportation or pay $7 for a gallon gasoline. Check it out yourself.

National health care can be done for less than we pay now.

Oh yeah. Better go check the meter where you parked your unicorn

Other countries do it. Once again you are arguing we can't do what every other first world and some third world countries do.

 

[pknopp]

Trump said we shouldn't worry about the debt. If we can pay for wars later we can pay for health care later.

The constitution mandates the one, not the other.

You are supposed to pay for it. I'm perfectly willing to pay for health care.

And you do if you have health insurance. You pay a lot for it.

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

And many of those countries depend on our military spending to afford it. Think about how much more France, Italy, and Greece for example, would be paying for defense if the US didn't have a strong presence in Europe. Add to that the billions that we pump into their economies and they can afford socialized medicine. Take us out of the equation and they wouldn't be able to spend as much. That's obvious.

Our presence isn't there to protect these other countries.

 

[sealybobo]

Is the right to a doctor in the Constitution?

Funny.

Obamacare said 1) I could keep my plan, 2) keep my doctor and that 3) I would save at least $2500 a year.

Obamacare lied.

Now what?

How many times has Trump lied?

Obamacare stopped your prices from going up more than they have. You should thank Obama if your premiums only doubled. Without obamacare they would have quadrupled.
You lost your doctor? I don't know many people who lost their doctor. I think this is just a thing you guys say but really, did you really lose your doctor?

 

[pknopp]

You are supposed to pay for it. I'm perfectly willing to pay for health care.

And you do if you have health insurance. You pay a lot for it.

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

You wanna give the government half of your paycheck and take public transportation or pay $7 a gallon for gasoline?

No, you can do that if you like. Besides like I've said many times......we aren't paying for things now.....why do we have to start with health care?

Start? We already are. And yes, we're paying for things now, because all that debt generates interest charges that eat up every increasing amounts of the budget. That's money we can't spend elsewhere.

Interest should have bankrupted us but we manipulate the monetary system, something we condemn other countries for when they do it.

 

[sealybobo]

The constitution mandates the one, not the other.

You are supposed to pay for it. I'm perfectly willing to pay for health care.

And you do if you have health insurance. You pay a lot for it.

I do. We can do better. Other countries do.

And many of those countries depend on our military spending to afford it. Think about how much more France, Italy, and Greece for example, would be paying for defense if the US didn't have a strong presence in Europe. Add to that the billions that we pump into their economies and they can afford socialized medicine. Take us out of the equation and they wouldn't be able to spend as much. That's obvious.

Our presence isn't there to protect these other countries.

It's to protect CocaCola so they can sell their shit to the people in those countries. That's why Coca Cola should be paying more in taxes not less.

 

[CWayne]

On the contrary, every military action is faced with demands to know how we'll pay for it.

I guess I missed the bills to pay for them. We aren't paying for them.

so our military is doing its job with no pay? WTF is wrong with you? of course we are paying for them,

Debt. Start paying up. (You knew how stupid your point was before making it)

Start withholding funds to pay the debt from a lower priority. National Defense is the Number ONE priority and gets funded first.

National Defense would take a fraction of what we spend. We aren't defending our country by what we are doing all around the world.

The people we elected and those whom they put in charge, disagree. Regardless, we ARE paying for the wars. That money gets spent first.

 

[CWayne]

Is the right to a doctor in the Constitution?

Funny.

Obamacare said 1) I could keep my plan, 2) keep my doctor and that 3) I would save at least $2500 a year.

Obamacare lied.

Now what?

How many times has Trump lied?

Obamacare stopped your prices from going up more than they have. You should thank Obama if your premiums only doubled. Without obamacare they would have quadrupled.
You lost your doctor? I don't know many people who lost their doctor. I think this is just a thing you guys say but really, did you really lose your doctor?

None of that is true, so let's ask. How many times have you lied?

 

[Dana7360]

so our military is doing its job with no pay? WTF is wrong with you? of course we are paying for them,

Debt. Start paying up. (You knew how stupid your point was before making it)

Oh, you want to talk about debt? Great, lets start with the FACT that obama increased our national debt from 9 trillion to almost 20 trillion in 8 years, more than all other presidents combined. Yeah, lets talk debt and which party's policies have created most of it.

Trump's military expenditures were all funded by congress and included in the budget. do you really want to get into this?

Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).

The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.

Obama ran up the debt. Argue if you wish that you believe he had valid reasons to but I simply noted that like Trump he cut taxes and ran up the debt. He did.

Yes Obama ran up debt. Just not the amount that the republican you replied to stated.

All presidents do. However Obama was handed an economy in free fall. He had to spend to save our economy. It's basic economics. If he had not done that all you have to do is look at what hoover did to cause that depression and for it to last for as long as it did and for it to get worse than it could have been if the proper economic policy had been followed at the time.

While all presidents do incur debt, democratic presidents do it at a much slower rate. At least since reagan. Since that time it's been republican presidents who add huge amounts to our national debt and budget deficit. Clinton had the reagan/bush budget deficit eliminated. He balanced that mess reagan/bush left him. Created hundreds of billions in surplus, added to the national debt at a much slower rate than reagan/bush, had paid back the money reagan/bush had stolen from social security and and stopped the theft from the fund. He left a plan to have that reagan/bush national debt paid by 2010. Clinton wrote balanced budgets. reagan/bush never did that. The bush boy came next. He like reagan/bush before him, never wrote a balanced budget, he restarted the theft from social security, drastically slashed taxes and kept most of his war spending off the general budget. He left office while our economy was collapsing. Obama was handed just under 13 trillion in national debt and 1.4 trillion in budget deficit. He took that national debt to over 19 trillion and slashed the budget deficit by nearly 1 trillion down to 400 and something billion.

Obama didn't cut our taxes. He increased taxes on the rich and left the rates the same for everyone else. The bush boy tax cuts were going to expire. A part of the stimulus was keeping the tax rates the same on everyone but the rich.

 

[Shawnee_b]

You don't have a right to an attorney when it comes to red flag laws, pay for your own.

 

[pknopp]

Debt. Start paying up. (You knew how stupid your point was before making it)

Oh, you want to talk about debt? Great, lets start with the FACT that obama increased our national debt from 9 trillion to almost 20 trillion in 8 years, more than all other presidents combined. Yeah, lets talk debt and which party's policies have created most of it.

Trump's military expenditures were all funded by congress and included in the budget. do you really want to get into this?

Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).

The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.

Obama ran up the debt. Argue if you wish that you believe he had valid reasons to but I simply noted that like Trump he cut taxes and ran up the debt. He did.

Yes Obama ran up debt. Just not the amount that the republican you replied to stated.

All presidents do. However Obama was handed an economy in free fall. He had to spend to save our economy. It's basic economics. If he had not done that all you have to do is look at what hoover did to cause that depression and for it to last for as long as it did and for it to get worse than it could have been if the proper economic policy had been followed at the time.

While all presidents do incur debt, democratic presidents do it at a much slower rate. At least since reagan. Since that time it's been republican presidents who add huge amounts to our national debt and budget deficit. Clinton had the reagan/bush budget deficit eliminated. He balanced that mess reagan/bush left him. Created hundreds of billions in surplus, added to the national debt at a much slower rate than reagan/bush, had paid back the money reagan/bush had stolen from social security and and stopped the theft from the fund. He left a plan to have that reagan/bush national debt paid by 2010. Clinton wrote balanced budgets. reagan/bush never did that. The bush boy came next. He like reagan/bush before him, never wrote a balanced budget, he restarted the theft from social security, drastically slashed taxes and kept most of his war spending off the general budget. He left office while our economy was collapsing. Obama was handed just under 13 trillion in national debt and 1.4 trillion in budget deficit. He took that national debt to over 19 trillion and slashed the budget deficit by nearly 1 trillion down to 400 and something billion.

Obama didn't cut our taxes. He increased taxes on the rich and left the rates the same for everyone else. The bush boy tax cuts were going to expire. A part of the stimulus was keeping the tax rates the same on everyone but the rich.

We were lied to. The reason we have Trump is because President Obama was not the person Candidate Obama said he would be.

That's why Sanders is doing so well. Basically Sanders platform is Obama's original platform.

Did the establishment know he was lying cause them to not panic like they are doing with Sanders?

 

[Dana7360]

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. In fact if you cant afford one the govt literally says “one will be provided to you” free of charge. Wow. Thats pretty amazing.

But get sick? OOOOOHHHH NO....now you don’t have the right to someones service.

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

And you wonder why PRESIDENT BERNIE SANDERS is going to happen? This is why. And its past due.

I suppose you want free electricity, water, food, housing, and clothing, too, comrade?

As for a doctor, you are provided one if you cannot afford one. Have you not heard of Medicaid?

A person has to qualify for medicaid.

Which means the person has to be financially destroyed and have probably declared bankruptcy by the time they qualify for medicaid. It's not available to just anyone.

Why should a person be financially destroyed to be able to have health care?

 

[Dana7360]

Is the right to a doctor in the Constitution?

Funny.

Obamacare said 1) I could keep my plan, 2) keep my doctor and that 3) I would save at least $2500 a year.

Obamacare lied.

Now what?

How many times has Trump lied?

Obamacare stopped your prices from going up more than they have. You should thank Obama if your premiums only doubled. Without obamacare they would have quadrupled.
You lost your doctor? I don't know many people who lost their doctor. I think this is just a thing you guys say but really, did you really lose your doctor?

If a person bought their policy on the exchange they didn't have to lose their doctor. All they had to do was find the policy that included their doctor. It's not hard. I had to do that this year when I lost my employer provided insurance of more than 30 years. All I had to do was ask for a policy that included my existing doctors. It's wasn't hard.

It's employer provided insurance that people lose their doctor. Employees have no say and usually no choice in what health care their employer provides. The employer does that. The employer chooses what policy to get and what it covers. Not the employee or individual. People lose their doctors all the time because of employer provided insurance.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Obama was handed just under 13 trillion in national debt and 1.4 trillion in budget deficit. He took that national debt to over 19 trillion

National Debt
20 JAN 2009: 10,626,877,048,913.08
20 JAN 2017: 19,947,304,555,212.49
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Did you lie, or were you ignorant of this fact?

 

[Mr Natural]

Why should a person be financially destroyed to be able to have health care?

So they’ll appreciate it more.

 

[Dana7360]

Oh, you want to talk about debt? Great, lets start with the FACT that obama increased our national debt from 9 trillion to almost 20 trillion in 8 years, more than all other presidents combined. Yeah, lets talk debt and which party's policies have created most of it.

Trump's military expenditures were all funded by congress and included in the budget. do you really want to get into this?

Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).

The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.

Obama ran up the debt. Argue if you wish that you believe he had valid reasons to but I simply noted that like Trump he cut taxes and ran up the debt. He did.

Yes Obama ran up debt. Just not the amount that the republican you replied to stated.

All presidents do. However Obama was handed an economy in free fall. He had to spend to save our economy. It's basic economics. If he had not done that all you have to do is look at what hoover did to cause that depression and for it to last for as long as it did and for it to get worse than it could have been if the proper economic policy had been followed at the time.

While all presidents do incur debt, democratic presidents do it at a much slower rate. At least since reagan. Since that time it's been republican presidents who add huge amounts to our national debt and budget deficit. Clinton had the reagan/bush budget deficit eliminated. He balanced that mess reagan/bush left him. Created hundreds of billions in surplus, added to the national debt at a much slower rate than reagan/bush, had paid back the money reagan/bush had stolen from social security and and stopped the theft from the fund. He left a plan to have that reagan/bush national debt paid by 2010. Clinton wrote balanced budgets. reagan/bush never did that. The bush boy came next. He like reagan/bush before him, never wrote a balanced budget, he restarted the theft from social security, drastically slashed taxes and kept most of his war spending off the general budget. He left office while our economy was collapsing. Obama was handed just under 13 trillion in national debt and 1.4 trillion in budget deficit. He took that national debt to over 19 trillion and slashed the budget deficit by nearly 1 trillion down to 400 and something billion.

Obama didn't cut our taxes. He increased taxes on the rich and left the rates the same for everyone else. The bush boy tax cuts were going to expire. A part of the stimulus was keeping the tax rates the same on everyone but the rich.

We were lied to. The reason we have Trump is because President Obama was not the person Candidate Obama said he would be.

That's why Sanders is doing so well. Basically Sanders platform is Obama's original platform.

Did the establishment know he was lying cause them to not panic like they are doing with Sanders?

Oh yes, Obama lied to us about many things. He brought many from the private investment and Wall Street sector to his administration just like presidents before him. He was corporate just as the establishment is. The establishment is corporate America. It has been for a very long time.

He spent like all presidents do but not at as high rate as republicans before him.

He wouldn't have had to rescue the economy if it wasn't collapsing as he was being sworn in.

He had a congress that didn't work with him. Even to the point that budgets became continuing bills from the old budget because congress refused to compromise and allow democracy to work properly. They filibustered everything sent to the Senate from the House in the first 2 years. When the House went to republican hands, almost every bill in the senate was filibustered by the republicans until they took control of the senate. Then the democrats filibustered everything when they lost the majority. If the congress had worked with Obama I think more things could have been done.

I don't know why the democratic establishment is panicking. I've been a registered Independent since 1978. They should know that most of what Sanders wants to do has to go through congress and congress isn't going to pass much of any of it.

So we get what we have had since Obama. Government by executive order.