America is a 'CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC,' not a Democracy...

[peach174]

It is not surprising that conservatives want so badly for us not to be a democracy.

What's surprising to me is that people consider themselves conservatives and at the same time don't want their senators popularly elected.

Changed from State Legislatures electing them to the people, which moved us more toward a Democracy in 1913 by the The 17th amendment. Done by progressives who have been changing our nation from a republic to a democracy for the last 100 or so years.
The last step in this is the one being pushed right now to get rid of the electoral college votes to popular vote of the people.
"voilà mob rule and no representation of the minority.

 

[BlindBoo]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

 

[norwegen]

It is not surprising that conservatives want so badly for us not to be a democracy.

What's surprising to me is that people consider themselves conservatives and at the same time don't want their senators popularly elected.

The popular election of senators is not a conservative idea. It's a progressive idea. The 17th amendment is a Progressive-Era amendment.

 

[peach174]

It is not surprising that conservatives want so badly for us not to be a democracy.

What's surprising to me is that people consider themselves conservatives and at the same time don't want their senators popularly elected.

They don't want that because they have a cockeyed notion that there is a conservative partisan advantage to the old way of electing Senators.

You can always trace a puzzling conservative 'principle' to some selfish ideological/partisan motive.

When it was changed from State Legislatures electing the Senators to the people's vote it changed the way Senators were supposed to work for their individual States.
Now they are nothing more but the same as the House of Representatives.

 

[bendog]

Our whole system of government is based on We the people, but if we the people don't pay attention to what's going on, we have no right to bellyache or squawk when things go wrong.

guess who

 

[norwegen]

Our whole system of government is based on We the people, but if we the people don't pay attention to what's going on, we have no right to bellyache or squawk when things go wrong.

guess who

We the People is not democracy.

 

[peach174]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

That's different, the majority of the people voting for the Representatives did not change the way the three branches operate. That was a good thing
Changing the vote from the State legislators to the people changed the way that the House, Senate and Presidency works.

 

[bendog]

Our whole system of government is based on We the people, but if we the people don't pay attention to what's going on, we have no right to bellyache or squawk when things go wrong.

guess who

We the People is not democracy.

Reagan was always simplifying things.

 

[bendog]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

That's different, the majority of the people voting for the Representatives did not change the way the three branches operate. That was a good thing
Changing the vote from the State legislators to the people changed the way that the House, Senate and Presidency works.

It did not change the function of the senate. If you want to see power taken from individuals, you are not a conservative.

 

[BlindBoo]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

That's different, the majority of the people voting for the Representatives did not change the way the three branches operate. That was a good thing
Changing the vote from the State legislators to the people changed the way that the House, Senate and Presidency works.

It was a good change, imo.

 

[peach174]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

That's different, the majority of the people voting for the Representatives did not change the way the three branches operate. That was a good thing
Changing the vote from the State legislators to the people changed the way that the House, Senate and Presidency works.

It did not change the function of the senate. If you want to see power taken from individuals, you are not a conservative.

Yes it did.
By States electing them they would be able to concentrate on the business at hand without pressure from the populace.
Now they have the pressure of the populace not the States interests. They became the same as the House.
The House is the peoples voice, the Senate is not.

 

[nodoginnafight]

So what? Democratic principles and rights are enshrined in our Republic. At first the electorate was mostly white male property owners. Now it's every citizen over 18 mostly .

That's different, the majority of the people voting for the Representatives did not change the way the three branches operate. That was a good thing
Changing the vote from the State legislators to the people changed the way that the House, Senate and Presidency works.

It was a good change, imo.

I agree. And since our Constitution was amended per the prescribed method, i don't see any reason to cry about it now. Don't like it - get your 2/3rds together.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Perhaps you're just a little too slow to understand that democracy is one component of a constitutional republic......they are not mutually exclusive.

And there is a difference between "democracy" and "a democracy", but you're too busy insulting people to think of that.

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Feel free to provide historic examples of "a democracy".

athens

 

[nodoginnafight]

Making government more directly accountable to the people is not "conservative"?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Nope - athens was not a pure democracy either.

Ancient Greek Democracy - Ancient History - HISTORY.com

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Nope - athens was not a pure democracy either.

Ancient Greek Democracy - Ancient History - HISTORY.com

athens WAS a democracy.

You know how those people got positions of power? Random drawings, And EVERY citizen was eligible.

If you're looking for an example of a government where every single decision was put to a general vote, well that's just stupid.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Perhaps you're just a little too slow to understand that democracy is one component of a constitutional republic......they are not mutually exclusive.

And there is a difference between "democracy" and "a democracy", but you're too busy insulting people to think of that.

.

Feel free to provide historic examples of "a democracy".

athens

Nope - athens was not a pure democracy either.

Ancient Greek Democracy - Ancient History - HISTORY.com

athens WAS a democracy.

You know how those people got positions of power? Random drawings, And EVERY citizen was eligible.

If you're looking for an example of a government where every single decision was put to a general vote, well that's just stupid.

Exactly - there has NEVER been a pure democracy - that I know of. Still open to researching suggestions as to where to find one.

 

[nodoginnafight]

In EVERY democracy that I've ever heard of, people voted for representatives to at least take care of the "day-to-day."

Just like we do.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"America is a 'CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC,' not a Democracy..."

A fact most on the right fail to understand, with conservatives advocating nonsense about the majority deciding who will or will not have his civil rights, such as not allowing same-sex couples access to marriage law, or compelling a woman to give birth against her will.

America has no use for civil rights. Civil Rights are at best temporal privilege resting in popular whimsy. America is defined by the recognition of inalienable, natural, Human Rights.

Blacks were not 'given' rights by Civil Rights crap... Blacks have always had the same rights as everyone else.

Just as the Sexually abnormal have the same rights as everyone else. No one is taking rights from the sexually abnormal... they're endowed by the same rights as everyone else and stand equal before God, precisely equal with everyone else.

The assertions to the contrary are designed NOT to promote equal rights, but superior rights... wherein 'Civil Rights' provide for the RIGHT to the property of others... and Marriage Equality provides for the right to define marriage subjectively, instead of the objective definition which was established by nature... which governs EVERYONE equally.

We know this because Blacks who claim the civil right to demand other people's property are THIEVES! Just as are the whites and browns that do the same thing.

We know this because no municipality anywhere in the US has ever prevented the marriage of a homosexual, where such has applied for license within the scope of the natural standards of marriage, which require the joining of one man and one woman.

"Forcing a woman to give birth" ... ROFLMNAO! That is just too stupid to warrant a response.

 

[kaz]

And Nazis and Fascists were far right, your video doesn't change history. Right wing is defined as ultra conservative and reactionary....there is no controversy about that.

Actually, the German workers socialist party was left wing authoritarian. There really was no difference between the Nazis and Stalinist Russia.