Amazing chutzpah - New 9-11 museum never mentions WTC-7!!!

[SFC Ollie]

Sure wasn't invisible silent explosions.

 

[daws101]

You mean the eight seconds before a 47 story building collapsed into its footprint in less than eight seconds with 2.25 seconds at free-fall acceleration? Why do you think what happened to the penthouses had any affect on the observed free-fall period which would have required 400 structural steel connections over all eight floors to fail simultaneously?

I mean the 8 seconds that you don't want to count as part of the collapse because it destroys your BS theory.

The collapse of the penthouses doesn't change the amount of time required for WTC7's roof-line to collapse vertically through the path of greatest resistance in less than seven seconds.
The penthouses are likely distractions designed to confuse rather than illuminate what actually happened.

you just keep going with that line of bullshit if it makes you happy ...every thing that happened to wtc7 from the second the first debris struck it till the dust settled are part of the causation.

Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.

In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.

For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.

Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.

Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.

To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.

It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.

Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.

An emergency responder caught in the building between the 6th and 8th floors says he heard two loud booms. Isn't that evidence that there was an explosion?

The sound levels reported by all witnesses do not match the sound level of an explosion that would have been required to cause the collapse of the building. If the two loud booms were due to explosions that were responsible for the collapse of WTC 7, the emergency responder-located somewhere between the 6th and 8th floors in WTC 7-would not have been able to survive the near immediate collapse and provide this witness account.

In June 2009, NIST began releasing documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request from the International Center for 9/11 Studies for "all of the photographs and videos collected, reviewed, cited or in any other way used by NIST during its investigation of the World Trade Center building collapses." One of the items released, a video obtained from NBC News , shows World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in the moments before it collapsed, then cuts to the collapse already in progress, with the building's east penthouse "disappearing" from the scene (as it had already fallen in the intervening time). Other videos of the WTC 7 collapse show the penthouse falling first, followed by the rest of the building. Did NIST edit the NBC News video to remove the collapse of the penthouse?

The video footage released under the FOIA request was copied from the original video exactly as it was received from NBC News, with video documentation of the WTC 7 east penthouse collapse missing. The footage was not edited in any way by NIST.

Did fuel oil systems in WTC 7 contribute to its collapse?

No. The building had three separate emergency power systems, all of which ran on diesel fuel. The worst-case scenarios associated with fires being fed by ruptured fuel lines-or from fuel stored in day tanks on the lower floors-could not have been sustained long enough, could not have generated sufficient heat to weaken critical interior columns, and/or would have produced large amounts of visible smoke from the lower floors, which were not observed.

As background information, the three systems contained two 12,000 gallon fuel tanks, and two 6,000 gallon tanks beneath the building's loading docks, and a single 6,000 gallon tank on the 1st floor. In addition one system used a 275 gallon tank on the 5th floor, a 275 gallon tank on the 8th floor, and a 50 gallon tank on the 9th floor. Another system used a 275 gallon day tank on the 7th floor.

Several months after the WTC 7 collapse, a contractor recovered an estimated 23,000 gallons of fuel from these tanks. NIST estimated that the unaccounted fuel totaled 1,000 ±1,000 gallons of fuel (in other words, somewhere between 0 and 2,000 gallons, with 1,000 gallons the most likely figure). The fate of the fuel in the day tanks was unknown, so NIST assumed the worst-case scenario, namely that they were full on Sept. 11, 2001. The fate of the fuel of two 6,000 gallon tanks was also unknown. Therefore, NIST also assumed the worst-case scenario for these tanks, namely that all of the fuel would have been available to feed fires either at ground level or on the 5th floor.


Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation

 

[georgephillip]

Sure wasn't invisible silent explosions.

The explosions were neither silent nor invisible.
Did you notice the pulverized concrete?

 

[daws101]

Sure wasn't invisible silent explosions.

The explosions were neither silent nor invisible.
Did you notice the pulverized concrete?

only in your fevered brain.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

at 11:44 am today someone farted in here.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Sure wasn't invisible silent explosions.

The explosions were neither silent nor invisible.
Did you notice the pulverized concrete?

gomers handlers along with dawgshits sure pay him a lot of money for the ass beatings he has been getting here evryday the last several years. no way in hell woulf they keep coming back for them for free.no way not happening. they of course deny reality that they get ass beatings here everyday on this topic.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

"There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the 'smoking gun'. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare.

Yes it really is the most obvious thing in the world. Another disturbing thing about 7 is how the media blacked out the story of its collapse. They were in on the coverup from the start.

yep,thats that CIA media at work there.according to gomer ollie and dawgshit though,the mainstream media is not controlled by the CIA even though congress found in the 1970's after doing investigations into the CIA's activities,documents that they forgot to black out,showing the CIA has plants in the mainstream media everywhere an in government buildings.but according to them,that never happened in the 70's.

no surprise they dont mention bld 7 since its the crux of the 9/11 coverup the media and government cant get around and just like dawgshit and gomer ollie,have failed miserably everytime to try and explain it.

 

[Penelope]

When the towers collapsed, FDNY lost 343 Firefighters

At that point they were not going to risk another firefighter. Especially in an evacuated WTC 7. The fires were allowed to burn unabated and nobody was going to do a thing about it. Intense fire weakens steel and a weakened structure collapses. That is what happened to WTC 7

Not like that.

 

[georgephillip]

When the towers collapsed, FDNY lost 343 Firefighters

At that point they were not going to risk another firefighter. Especially in an evacuated WTC 7. The fires were allowed to burn unabated and nobody was going to do a thing about it. Intense fire weakens steel and a weakened structure collapses. That is what happened to WTC 7

Not like that.

"As one can observe from the videos of WTC 7's collapse, after the roofline began its smooth descent, the building fell to the ground in approximately 6.5 seconds.

"This is a phenomenally short time: a stone dropped from the top of the building would have reached the ground (covering a distance of 174 meters) in 5.95 seconds – if there were no air resistance!

"However, in principle the distance analyzed should be that from the top of the building to the top of the debris pile, not to the ground.

"As the exact height of the debris pile is not documented, it is more useful to examine the early stages of the collapse, during which the debris pile does not need to be taken into account.

"According to the video analysis presented in the 9-11 Eyewitness documentary, starting from the state of rest, WTC 7 fell 100 meters in 4.5 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.8 m/s2, corresponding to a free fall.

"To verify this, I examined the fall of a corner of the building in one collapse video using Blaze Media Pro video editing software. The corner fell 56 meters (=the distance between the Start and End lines in the animation below) in 3.47 seconds.

"This results in an acceleration of 9.3 m/s2, which corresponds to a very low resistance factor of the structural supports: only 5 percent of the force of gravity of the building's falling upper section."

The Destruction of WTC 7: The Destruction of WTC 7

 

[Skylar]

"No manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY." [Fema Report]

Almost. You had to cut the quote in half, omit amazingly relevant details and reimagine the punctuation. But you almost got it. Here's the actual quote, without your creative reimagining, with the bolded portions the parts you removed:

WTC 7 collapsed approximately 7 hours after the collapse of WTC 1. Preliminary indications were that, due to lack of water, no manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY."

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

Preliminary indications....which you so conveniently chose to omit. And when you look at the later NIST report, which is much more detailed, they give repeated reference to the FDNY in an around WTC 7 into the late afternoon:

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

WTC Disaster Study

An account backed up the FDNY fire chiefs and fire fighters who were actually there:

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

FDNY Fire Chief Peter Hayden
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

Pulled, huh? So much for your insinuation that it meant controlled demolition. Clearly, you need to inform the FDNY. As they use the term very differently.

And again....

The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldnít lose any more people.

FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Nigro_Daniel.txt

But they didn't pull their people back, huh? The tragic part? You're gonna ignore the FDNY on their own fire fighting effort and cling to your batshyte conspiracy. And it still gets worse for your claims:

Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o' clock, that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, we've got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there...

This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you couldn't see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and that is when 7 collapsed.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Ryan_William.txt

You say the FDNY meant one thing. The FDNY says they meant another.

The FDNY wins that contest.

WTC 7 - Silverstein's 'Pull It' Explanation Examined

Here's the problem with your narrative: the conversation was between Silverstein and the FDNY. Silverstein obviously didn't 'pull' the WTC 7 per your narrative. That leaves only the FDNY.

Now riddle me this, batman: how many buildings have the FDNY demolished in the history of their organization? Say it with me......exactly zero.

Worse, despite 343 of their own number persishing on 911, you're accusing the FDNY of being a direct party to the cover up of the murder of their own numbers.

I double dog dare you to walk up to any FDNY member who was there.....and say that to their face. Its the kind of loathsome, gutless accusation your ilk only make anonymously. And only online.

Back in reality, Silverstein told them to pull the fire fighting effort. With the FDNY folks on the scene making numerous mention of their effort being 'pulled'.

Finally they pulled us out. They said all right,
get out of that building because that 7, they were really
worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they
regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and
West Street. They put everybody back in there.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt

FDNY Richard BANACISKI

"They pulled us out." Huh. Seems you may need to do more research. While you're at it, research what 'pull' means in demolision parlance. It means to attach cables to the side of a building, usually no more than 6 to 8 stories high, and literally pull it over with bulldozers.

Worker #1: Oh, we’re getting ready to pull building six.

Luis Mendes: We have to be very careful how we demolish building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and demolishing the slurry wall, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.

Worker #1: We’ve got the cables attached in four different locations... <hard to hear>... Now they’re pulling [gestures to vehicles] pulling the building to the north. It’s not every day you try to pull down a eight storey building with cables”

America Rebuilds documentary (at 41 minute mark)

WTC 7 was 47 stories high. It couldn't be pulled over with bulldozers and cables. Making the term irrelevant to a structure that large. They're obviously referring to the fire fighting effort. A point underscored by the fact that the conversation was occurring between Silverstein....and the FDNY. And the FDNY chiefs. And the FDNY fire fighters.

Smiling....but you know better than all of them, huh? Remember, and I can't stress this point enough.....you guys don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

You wouldn't know the truth if it went BOOM BOOM BOOM on your head:

"CRAIG BARTMER NYPD: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though.

"Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down.

"And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself...

Yeah, here's the problem: in actual controlled demolition, the charges *precede* the collapse. They don't come after it. See, if bombs took the building down, then it wouldn't start falling until the bombs had gone off. Cause and *then* effect. In your scenario, its effect and THEN cause. Exactly opposite of the way reality works. Worse, there are half a dozen videos of the collapse of WTC 7. Not one records any bomb sounds preceding the collapse.

No explosions, no explosives. Its that simple.

Second, the area had already been cleared. There was no one 'running' from the falling debris of WTC 7. The area had been completely evacuated at least half an hour before the building collapsed.

And of course, it wasn't Craig's job to assess the building's damage. It was the FDNY's. And there are numerous matching and overlapping accounts on the catastrophic structural damage and massive fires in WTC 7 from the FDNY.

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

And again....

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.

FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti
Deputy Chief Nick Visconti - Firehouse

And again....

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.

FDNY Captain Chris Boyle

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

And again...

....Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.

FDNY Lieutenant Rudy Weindler

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF

And again....

The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt

FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634

And again...

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke, but no visible fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.

FDNY Battalion Chief John Norman
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norman.html

I'll go with half a dozen FDNY Fire Chiefs whose job it was to assess the the structural integrity of the building, who spent hours doing exactly that.....over one NYPD officer who claims to have 'walked around the building'.

As would any rational person.

 

[Skylar]

When the towers collapsed, FDNY lost 343 Firefighters

At that point they were not going to risk another firefighter. Especially in an evacuated WTC 7. The fires were allowed to burn unabated and nobody was going to do a thing about it. Intense fire weakens steel and a weakened structure collapses. That is what happened to WTC 7

Not like that.

"As one can observe from the videos of WTC 7's collapse, after the roofline began its smooth descent, the building fell to the ground in approximately 6.5 seconds.

"This is a phenomenally short time: a stone dropped from the top of the building would have reached the ground (covering a distance of 174 meters) in 5.95 seconds – if there were no air resistance!

"However, in principle the distance analyzed should be that from the top of the building to the top of the debris pile, not to the ground.

"As the exact height of the debris pile is not documented, it is more useful to examine the early stages of the collapse, during which the debris pile does not need to be taken into account.

"According to the video analysis presented in the 9-11 Eyewitness documentary, starting from the state of rest, WTC 7 fell 100 meters in 4.5 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.8 m/s2, corresponding to a free fall.

"To verify this, I examined the fall of a corner of the building in one collapse video using Blaze Media Pro video editing software. The corner fell 56 meters (=the distance between the Start and End lines in the animation below) in 3.47 seconds.

"This results in an acceleration of 9.3 m/s2, which corresponds to a very low resistance factor of the structural supports: only 5 percent of the force of gravity of the building's falling upper section."

The Destruction of WTC 7: The Destruction of WTC 7

Same problems as last time....which you ignore. And then ignoring, pretend don't exist.

1) There were no explosions in your 'explosive demolition'. The building fell so silently that the facade was well on its way down when people even noticed. Where in actual controlled demolition, the charges are ludicriously loud. Yet the WTC 7 fell in virtual silence. But don't take my word for it...here's a video. How far down is the building before people even noticed?



Silent explosives don't exist. That's physically impossible if it were bombs. Your theory doesn't work.

2) There were no girders cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition. There were twisted girders, there deformed girders, there girders stacked on top of each other. But there were no CUT girders. And that's how explosive demolition works: by cutting the girders with a shaped explosive charge.

Demonstrating rather elegantly, that it wasn't explosive demolition. It couldn't have been. Want another reason why it was physically impossible?

3) The building was on fire.

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center
as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire
on nearly all floors.

Lt. Robert Larocco

That means that your theory requires that the *explosives* would have been on fire. And there's no system of explosives that handled buiding fires. Even the most chemically stable explosives would have melted. TNT would have exploded. Detonators would have detonated, any timers or receivers would have been reduced to bubbling pools of plastic.

There's a reason why no building in the history of the world has ever been explosively demolished while ON FIRE. It can't be done. As the materials necessary to conduct an explosive demolition are themselves, ridiculously flammable and susceptible to heat.

Your conspiracy explanation fails yet again. And it gets even worse.

4) There were no explosives or apparatus of explosives ever found. Not before, not during, not after the collapse. The WTC 7 wasn't a museum. It was used daily by its tenants. It was maintained by its resident staff. It was inspected, remodelled, and cleaned. And no where was anything your theory mandates by the thousands up on thousands ever found.

Not one inch of blasting wire. Not one foot of det cord. Not a single transmitter. Not a single timer. Not a single girder cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition. Not one charge.

Ever. Despite your theory requiring thousands and thousands of each. That strains credulity to the point of ridiculousness. All the more so when we get to the fact that.....

5) The Port Authority Bomb Squad went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs....and found nothing. Not one bomb. Not a single apparatus of explosive. Nothing.

These are men and women *trained* to find these explosives. And its not like the dogs would miss them. And yet they found exactly nothing. Which is exactly what you've got to back your theory: nothing.

And astonishingly, it still gets worse:

6) There was no residue of explosives in dust samples. Despite these dust samples being so precise that they could detect medication from the WTC pharmacy, they found no residue of explosives.

And finally;

7) The FDNY already determined what the cause of the collapse would be: fire and structural damage from the impact with debris from the north tower:

The major concern at that time at that particular location was number Seven, building number seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell,
it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing.

So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center
complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number seven came down.

Assistant Chief Frank Fellini

They predicted its collapse due to fire and structural damage pretty accurately. How did they do this? The measured its slow structural failure over hours:

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

A transit is a vertical level, used to measure angles. Here's an example of how its used:



They measured the bulging, the buckling, the leaning of the WTC 7. They knew, hours before its collapse, that it was coming down. Now why would we ignore the FDNY, who was there, who saw the catastrophic damage, who witnessed the enormous fires, who put a transit on the building and measured it structural failure.....

....and instead believe you? There is no reason.

The contradiction of the 'controlled demolition' theory is layered, overlapping, and overwhelming. Its an overly complicated, fantastically elaborate, wildly complex, and physically impossible explanation that is contradicted by just mountains of evidence.

So overwhelming in fact......that you refuse to even acknowledge any exist. You can't ignore these holes in your claims away. Even if you close your eyes, we can still see them. And they devastate your absurd theory.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

So overwhelming in fact......that you refuse to even acknowledge any exist. You can't ignore these holes in your claims away. Even if you close your eyes, we can still see them. And they devastate your absurd theory.

sure was fun watching you hand agent rightwinger his ass to him on a platter.simple as pie to do.welcome to the fairy tale land agent rightwinger lives in.a troll that refuses to acknowledge facts that exist,ignores holes that shoot through the 9/11 coverups commission,and closes his eyes to those holes.

Believe me it would be most constructive talking to people about this who will actually listen and acknowledge the facts.you might as well be talking to a wall when you talk to agent right winger about this.same with gomer pyle ollie and dawgshit.its so obvious those guys are paid by their handlers to come and troll these threads.

they kind of give that away in the fact that they all still endorce the lies of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin. seriously,they actually defend THAT version as well even though 80% of americans no longer believe that fairy tale anymore.

do you really expect to get anywhere with a troll like that who actually believes in magic bullets? they defend ANY government version such as 9/11 or JFK no matter how absurd the government and medias version is,that tells you something right there what a bunch of trolls they are.

their arrogant attitide is they're right and everybody else is wrong,if our corrupt government institutions and CIA media said it happened such and such way,that makes it automatically true.high qualified experts views who dont accept the official version means nothing to them.

 

[Skylar]

sure was fun watching you hand agent rightwinger his ass to him on a platter.simple as pie to do.welcome to the fairy tale land agent rightwinger lives in.a troll that refuses to acknowledge facts that exist,ignores holes that shoot through the 9/11 coverups commission,and closes his eyes to those holes.

You're clearly not reading my posts. Try again, this time not skimping over the FDNY's assessment that the WTC 7 collapsed due to fire and structural damage.

Or the fact that the WTC 7 began falling in virtual silence. No explosions, no explosives after all!

Or that the Port authority bomb squad went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs and found nothing only a week before the collapse....

Or that no residue of explosives was found in the dust samples.....

Or that no girders were cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition....

Or that no explosives or apparatus of explosives were ever found before, during or after the collapse.....

Or that the WTC 7 was on fire, meaning that any system of explosives you make up was also on fire. And explosives and fire don't play well together.

Any one of which demonstrates the absurdity of the truther conspiracy. And you can't explain any of them.

 

[georgephillip]

sure was fun watching you hand agent rightwinger his ass to him on a platter.simple as pie to do.welcome to the fairy tale land agent rightwinger lives in.a troll that refuses to acknowledge facts that exist,ignores holes that shoot through the 9/11 coverups commission,and closes his eyes to those holes.

You're clearly not reading my posts. Try again, this time not skimping over the FDNY's assessment that the WTC 7 collapsed due to fire and structural damage.

Or the fact that the WTC 7 began falling in virtual silence. No explosions, no explosives after all!

Or that the Port authority bomb squad went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs and found nothing only a week before the collapse....

Or that no residue of explosives was found in the dust samples.....

Or that no girders were cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition....

Or that no explosives or apparatus of explosives were ever found before, during or after the collapse.....

Or that the WTC 7 was on fire, meaning that any system of explosives you make up was also on fire. And explosives and fire don't play well together.

Any one of which demonstrates the absurdity of the truther conspiracy. And you can't explain any of them.

And you can't link to any official FDNY document claiming that WTC7 collapsed through its path of greatest resistance in less than seven seconds because of office fires. Apparently, you're ignorant of how many tons of structural steel made up the path of greatest resistance. Why would anyone waste time on what you don't know?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

sure was fun watching you hand agent rightwinger his ass to him on a platter.simple as pie to do.welcome to the fairy tale land agent rightwinger lives in.a troll that refuses to acknowledge facts that exist,ignores holes that shoot through the 9/11 coverups commission,and closes his eyes to those holes.

You're clearly not reading my posts. Try again, this time not skimping over the FDNY's assessment that the WTC 7 collapsed due to fire and structural damage.

Or the fact that the WTC 7 began falling in virtual silence. No explosions, no explosives after all!

Or that the Port authority bomb squad went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs and found nothing only a week before the collapse....

Or that no residue of explosives was found in the dust samples.....

Or that no girders were cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition....

Or that no explosives or apparatus of explosives were ever found before, during or after the collapse.....

Or that the WTC 7 was on fire, meaning that any system of explosives you make up was also on fire. And explosives and fire don't play well together.

Any one of which demonstrates the absurdity of the truther conspiracy. And you can't explain any of them.

rightwingers name was listed there and it looked like you told him he was nuts so i just assumed you were arguing with him.well now that i know you are the newest government disinformation paid trolls to penetrate this site now so that makes you the newest one to add to my ignore list.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

like fellow government disinfo agents dawgshit,rightwinger,and gomer pyle ollie,you obviously believe in magic bullets as well the fact just like them,you dont know anything at all about the laws of physics which were violated in BOTH cases.

 

[Skylar]

Did you watch the ten minute video with recordings of explosions that took place seconds before WTC7's roof-line began its descent?

I must be death and blind, the sound graph didn't show any explosions, and I didn't hear any....
Now what was going on during those 8 seconds that you don't want to talk about?

You mean the eight seconds before a 47 story building collapsed into its footprint in less than eight seconds with 2.25 seconds at free-fall acceleration? Why do you think what happened to the penthouses had any affect on the observed free-fall period which would have required 400 structural steel connections over all eight floors to fail simultaneously?

The collapsing penthouse proves that the internal structure of the building was already failing. Remember, the penthouse collapsed INTO WTC 7. And in all likelyhood, the collapse began far before the penthouse collapse. The FDNY had been measuring the building's leaning, buckling and slow structural failure over hours.

You're only acknowledging the final collapse of the building's facade, and ignoring everything that lead up to it. No person actually interested in the building's collapse would do this. You're fronting a conspiracy that doesn't work. And when confronted with theory killing holes in your conspiracy....

....you ignore them all and keep pretending none exist.

Most folks aren't inclined to pretend with you.

 

[Skylar]

sure was fun watching you hand agent rightwinger his ass to him on a platter.simple as pie to do.welcome to the fairy tale land agent rightwinger lives in.a troll that refuses to acknowledge facts that exist,ignores holes that shoot through the 9/11 coverups commission,and closes his eyes to those holes.

You're clearly not reading my posts. Try again, this time not skimping over the FDNY's assessment that the WTC 7 collapsed due to fire and structural damage.

Or the fact that the WTC 7 began falling in virtual silence. No explosions, no explosives after all!

Or that the Port authority bomb squad went through the entire WTC plaza with bomb sniffing dogs and found nothing only a week before the collapse....

Or that no residue of explosives was found in the dust samples.....

Or that no girders were cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition....

Or that no explosives or apparatus of explosives were ever found before, during or after the collapse.....

Or that the WTC 7 was on fire, meaning that any system of explosives you make up was also on fire. And explosives and fire don't play well together.

Any one of which demonstrates the absurdity of the truther conspiracy. And you can't explain any of them.

rightwingers name was listed there and it looked like you told him he was nuts so i just assumed you were arguing with him.well now that i know you are the newest government disinformation paid trolls to penetrate this site now so that makes you the newest one to add to my ignore list.

A 'paid troll' being anyone who doesn't ape your conspiracy? C'mon guy......I'll gladly shred your nonsense conspiracy for free. You'd be surprised how little effort it requires.

And notice you don't actually shore up any of the theory killing holes in your claims. You can't. All you can do is fling pointless, childish insults at anyone who thinks, or questions, or points out that your theory just doesn't work.

If your claims had merit, you wouldn't need to.

 

[georgephillip]

I must be death and blind, the sound graph didn't show any explosions, and I didn't hear any....
Now what was going on during those 8 seconds that you don't want to talk about?

You mean the eight seconds before a 47 story building collapsed into its footprint in less than eight seconds with 2.25 seconds at free-fall acceleration? Why do you think what happened to the penthouses had any affect on the observed free-fall period which would have required 400 structural steel connections over all eight floors to fail simultaneously?

The collapsing penthouse proves that the internal structure of the building was already failing. Remember, the penthouse collapsed INTO WTC 7. And in all likelyhood, the collapse began far before the penthouse collapse. The FDNY had been measuring the building's leaning, buckling and slow structural failure over hours.

You're only acknowledging the final collapse of the building's facade, and ignoring everything that lead up to it. No person actually interested in the building's collapse would do this. You're fronting a conspiracy that doesn't work. And when confronted with theory killing holes in your conspiracy....

....you ignore them all and keep pretending none exist.

Most folks aren't inclined to pretend with you.

You're ignoring the fact that scattered office fires can't collapse a 47 story building in less than seven seconds through its path of greatest resistance. Have you discovered how many tons of structural steel comprised WTC7's path of greatest resistance? You also ignore the documented free-fall acceleration of WTC7 over 2.25 seconds and 100 feet. What does the FDNY say about that?