All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Demarcations
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You get this wrong every single time.

In regards to the "Stupid Question" remark: I would argue that it is YOU that has been NOT listening or paying attention, to the opposing respondents and their citations.

Foreign powers have no authority over international borders. Territorial integrity.

(COMMENT)

Borders are defined between the powers having authority on each side of the border.

The issue of territorial integrity is not an issue until sovereignty is established.

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territory, concept of ‘State territory is that defined portion of the surface of the globe​

which is subjected to the sovereignty of a state. A state without a territory is not possible,​

although the necessary territory may be very small. . . . The importance of state territory​

lies in the fact that it is the space within which the state exercises its supreme, and normally​

exclusive, authority’: I Oppenheim 563 and 564. See also Crawford, The Creation of States​

in International Law (2nd ed.), Chap. 2, esp. 46–52.​

SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law, John P. Grant and J. Craig Barker. -- 3rd ed. Copyright © 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. pp 599​

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Your implied position that the Arab Palestinians had some territorial integrity is rendered moot because they were not a party to any agreement in the creation of a State for their sovereign control.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In regards to the "Stupid Question" remark: I would argue that it is YOU that has been NOT listening or paying attention, to the opposing respondents and their citations.

Foreign powers have no authority over international borders. Territorial integrity.

Foreign powers have no authority over international borders.

What an absurd claim. Borders are political boundaries that separate countries.
Of course they involve foreign powers.

What authority does Hamas or Fatah hold?
What border agreements do they have with which foreign powers?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Demarcations
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You get this wrong every single time.

In regards to the "Stupid Question" remark: I would argue that it is YOU that has been NOT listening or paying attention, to the opposing respondents and their citations.

Foreign powers have no authority over international borders. Territorial integrity.

(COMMENT)

Borders are defined between the powers having authority on each side of the border.

The issue of territorial integrity is not an issue until sovereignty is established.

​

territory, concept of ‘State territory is that defined portion of the surface of the globe​

which is subjected to the sovereignty of a state. A state without a territory is not possible,​

although the necessary territory may be very small. . . . The importance of state territory​

lies in the fact that it is the space within which the state exercises its supreme, and normally​

exclusive, authority’: I Oppenheim 563 and 564. See also Crawford, The Creation of States​

in International Law (2nd ed.), Chap. 2, esp. 46–52.​

SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law, John P. Grant and J. Craig Barker. -- 3rd ed. Copyright © 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. pp 599​

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Your implied position that the Arab Palestinians had some territorial integrity is rendered moot because they were not a party to any agreement in the creation of a State for their sovereign control.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are reverting back to Israel's old talking point that there is no Palestine. The UN, following international law, states that the Palestinians in Palestine have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

Foreign powers that violate those rights do not negate those rights. You post a lot of external interference.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Demarcations
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I've posted this many times. I don't advocate withholding "self-determination" from the Arab Palestinians. But they never actually exercise their right. I'm not sure that the State of Palestine is anything more than the State of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)(Chairman Mahmoud Abbas) the sole legitimate representative of the Arab people of Palestine 14 October 1974. And the PLO did not declare independence until November 1988.

You are reverting back to Israel's old talking point that there is no Palestine. The UN, following international law, states that the Palestinians in Palestine have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

Foreign powers that violate those rights do not negate those rights. You post a lot of external interference.

(COMMENT)

You simply don't read very well. Every single set of people and cultures (including the Jewish) have the right to self-determination. Not just the Hostile and Violent Arab Palestinians.

EXCERPT from LINK: 2012- UN Memo on Issue of the use of the name "Palestine" -.pdf

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

You simply don't read very well. Every single set of people and cultures (including the Jewish) have the right to self-determination.

Where do colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Link?

 

[Hollie]

You simply don't read very well. Every single set of people and cultures (including the Jewish) have the right to self-determination.

Where do colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Link?

Why do you think your worn out slogans are appropriate?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Willing to live in peace (Not Arab Palestinians)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Arab Palestinians have absolutely nothing to do with the former Armistice Agreement. In the case of the 1949 Armistice Agreements, they were between the "military commands" of Israel and the commands of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. The Arab Palestinians were NOT a party to any of the four agreements.

Look at any map of your so called Israel. Its supposed territory is defined by the 1949 UN armistice lines. Those lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. Where are Israel's real borders?

(COMMENT)

With respect, to the West Bank, the Peace Treaty which established the International Boundary (without prejudice) between Israel and Jordan. The Peace Treaty (Israel-Jordan) was signed on 26 October 1994. THEN the Oslo Accord II (Israel-Palestine Liberation Organization {PLO}) was agreed on 28 September 1995 (after the Israeli-Jordan Treaty).

The Israeli-Jordan Treaty ignored any prior claim on the territory formerly sovereign to Jordan. Jordan agreed the boundary between Israel and Jordan would be recognized as an "administrative boundary between" Jordan and the territory which came under Israeli military government control in 1967. Any treatment of this line shall be without prejudice to the status of that territory.”

The PLO never entered into good-faith talks on the Permanent Status of Negotiations (including "settlements").

You can forget the Armistice Lines (except for historical reference purposes). The Armistice lines were only in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties was achieved (Article XII(2) of the Armistice Agreement) → 26 October 1994. On that date, the new agreement on the International Boundary took effect.

On the matter of the Gaza Strip, the Israelis unilaterally withdrew leaving the territory to the powers that be. The official blockade of Blockade of Gaza Strip took effect on January 2009, as an entirely separate action.

The blockade was established on similar grounds to Item 13, Part II Measures to prevent and combat terrorism, Annex Plan of Action to A/RES/60/288:

To step up national efforts and bilateral, subregional, regional and international cooperation, as appropriate, to improve border and customs controls in order to prevent and detect the movement of terrorists and prevent and detect the illicit traffic in, inter alia, small arms and light weapons, conventional ammunition and explosives.​

Most Respectfully,
R

With respect, to the West Bank, the Peace Treaty which established the International Boundary (without prejudice) between Israel and Jordan.

Neither has any authority over Palestine's borders.

What borders ? How can a mythical country have borders? Israel has internationally recognized borders which has been proven countless times to you with links.
If Palestine had borders, what are they and when did they become a reality ? Link ?

I have posted links so many times yet you continue to ask the same stupid question.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Israel Is an Apartheid State (Even if the UN Report Has Been Withdrawn)

The two internationally renowned US scientists conducted the study on the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel on behalf of the United Nations organization Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA), which concluded: “The weight of the evidence supports beyond a reasonable doubt the contention that Israel is guilty of imposing an apartheid regime on the Palestinian people.” The report acknowledges the need for a proper international judicial process to provide these conclusions the necessary authority and therefore encourages UN courts to take on this task. With all its explosive nature, the report is a historic landmark because it is the first time that a UN organization has identified the permanent crimes committed by Israel as “apartheid”.

Israel Is an Apartheid State (Even if the UN Report Has Been Withdrawn) | Foreign Policy Journal

Israel Is an Apartheid State (Even if the UN Report Has Been Withdrawn).... "because I say so."

It was withdrawn due to political pressure from the usual culprits. That does not make it inaccurate.

UN ESCWA report on Israeli apartheid | Palestine Liberation Organization | West Bank

It was withdraw because there is an obvious bias expected from anything the loathsome backwaters of the ESCWA will barf out.

"Member States. ESCWA comprises 18 Arab countries in Western Asia: Bahrain, Egypt,Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Palestine, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, The Sudan, The Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, The United Arab Emirates and Yemen."

So, did you read the report?

Of course not.

Link?

UN ESCWA report on Israeli apartheid | Palestine Liberation Organization | West Bank

P F Tinmore have you wrote to that address listed there in that article to ask them if there are any steps being taken on this injustice by chance?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Self-Determination
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


BLUF: The short answer is the recognition that A/RES/49/148 7 February 1995 Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
A/RES/15/1514 Paragraph 2

You simply don't read very well. Every single set of people and cultures (including the Jewish) have the right to self-determination.

Where do colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Link?

(COMMENT)

The "right" does not make distinctions or exceptions. Whatever the right the Arab Palestinians perceive they have, the right is NOT unique to them. The Jewish People and later the Israeli People have the very same "Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination." By virtue of that right - in May 1948 The National Council for the Jewish State did freely determine Israel's political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Nor does the UN Charter make distinctions and exceptions: "To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;" Chapter I • Article 1(2) UN Charter.

CHAPTER IX: INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL CO-OPERATION
Article 55
With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for
peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and
self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress​

and development;​

b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international​

cultural and educational cooperation; and​

c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all​

without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

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Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties: Preamble Paragraph 6

Having in mind the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United​

Nations, such as the principles of the equal rights and self-determination of peoples, of the sovereign​

equality and independence of all States, of non-interference in the domestic affairs of States, of the​

prohibition of the threat or use of force and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights​

and fundamental freedoms for all...​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination."

Thanks for the link.

A/RES/49/148Page 31. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; 2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world; 3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned; 4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour; 5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;​

This answers my question.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

"Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination."

Thanks for the link.

A/RES/49/148Page 31. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; 2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world; 3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned; 4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour; 5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;​

This answers my question.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

"Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination."

Thanks for the link.

A/RES/49/148Page 31. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; 2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world; 3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned; 4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour; 5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;​

This answers my question.

Aren’t you goi g to answer MY question dude.

 

[toastman]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Willing to live in peace (Not Arab Palestinians)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Arab Palestinians have absolutely nothing to do with the former Armistice Agreement. In the case of the 1949 Armistice Agreements, they were between the "military commands" of Israel and the commands of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. The Arab Palestinians were NOT a party to any of the four agreements.

Look at any map of your so called Israel. Its supposed territory is defined by the 1949 UN armistice lines. Those lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. Where are Israel's real borders?

(COMMENT)

With respect, to the West Bank, the Peace Treaty which established the International Boundary (without prejudice) between Israel and Jordan. The Peace Treaty (Israel-Jordan) was signed on 26 October 1994. THEN the Oslo Accord II (Israel-Palestine Liberation Organization {PLO}) was agreed on 28 September 1995 (after the Israeli-Jordan Treaty).

The Israeli-Jordan Treaty ignored any prior claim on the territory formerly sovereign to Jordan. Jordan agreed the boundary between Israel and Jordan would be recognized as an "administrative boundary between" Jordan and the territory which came under Israeli military government control in 1967. Any treatment of this line shall be without prejudice to the status of that territory.”

The PLO never entered into good-faith talks on the Permanent Status of Negotiations (including "settlements").

You can forget the Armistice Lines (except for historical reference purposes). The Armistice lines were only in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties was achieved (Article XII(2) of the Armistice Agreement) → 26 October 1994. On that date, the new agreement on the International Boundary took effect.

On the matter of the Gaza Strip, the Israelis unilaterally withdrew leaving the territory to the powers that be. The official blockade of Blockade of Gaza Strip took effect on January 2009, as an entirely separate action.

The blockade was established on similar grounds to Item 13, Part II Measures to prevent and combat terrorism, Annex Plan of Action to A/RES/60/288:

To step up national efforts and bilateral, subregional, regional and international cooperation, as appropriate, to improve border and customs controls in order to prevent and detect the movement of terrorists and prevent and detect the illicit traffic in, inter alia, small arms and light weapons, conventional ammunition and explosives.​

Most Respectfully,
R

With respect, to the West Bank, the Peace Treaty which established the International Boundary (without prejudice) between Israel and Jordan.

Neither has any authority over Palestine's borders.

What borders ? How can a mythical country have borders? Israel has internationally recognized borders which has been proven countless times to you with links.
If Palestine had borders, what are they and when did they become a reality ? Link ?

I have posted links so many times yet you continue to ask the same stupid question.

True, you’ve posted many links. But not one of them had anything to do with Palestine’s borders .
I however, have posted links clearly stating Israel’s borders . Nice duck btw.

 

[toastman]

"Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination."

Thanks for the link.

A/RES/49/148Page 31. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; 2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world; 3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned; 4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour; 5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;​

This answers my question.

What does this have to do with any of your Palestinian lies and propaganda ?? I mean, all you have is jibberish anyway. I have never seen one poster get their ass kicked so many times over the same subject It’s Almost like you enjoy it !

 

[Hollie]

"Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination."

Thanks for the link.

A/RES/49/148Page 31. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights; 2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world; 3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned; 4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour; 5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;​

This answers my question.

I’m glad to see that you’re getting a first glimpse at what self determination involves. It’s not a financial endowment such as the international welfare that sustains the Islamic terrorist franchises run by the Pals. Self determination is not something the Pally’s can demand when they are not willing and able to meet some basic requirements that define self determination.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[toastman]

Do you really expect us to believe that IDF soldiers would shoot at a car for absolutely no reason?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Historic civil rights complaint filed against FSU over anti-Palestinian environment

“It’s time to speak out about racism against Palestinians as the status quo,” Palestine Legal’s Amira Mattar said in a statement.

mondoweiss.net

The group Palestine Legal has filed a civil rights complaint against Florida State University (FSU) for allegedly tolerating and intensifying an anti-Palestinian environment on campus. It’s believed to be the first ever anti-Palestinian discrimination complaint on a college campus.

“It’s time to speak out about racism against Palestinians as the status quo,” said Michael Ratner Justice Fellow Amira Mattar in a statement. “We’re demanding that the federal government hold Florida state to account because we must put an end to the erasure, dismissal, and intentional distortion of Palestinian voices.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whatever the right the Arab Palestinians perceive they have, the right is NOT unique to them.

There are no rights that infringe on the rights of others.