Lack of moderates among Palestinian Islamo-Arabs [Sodom?] - forced humane Israel into a dangerous hostage deal

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Lack of moderates among Palestinian Islamo-Arabs [Sodom?] - forced humane Israel into a dangerous hostage deal​



Source: January 18, 2025 (or here)

Lack of moderates among Palestinian Islamo-Arabs [Sodom] - forced humane Israel into a dangerous hostage deal.

01.17.25

This is about the agreement to a bad deal in principle, forced by the situation, though the pressed on a date [per US politics, optics on Jan/20 inauguration] probably made a bad deal, worse.


GAZANS

The horrors of Oct/7 led by Islamic-Caliphate-seeking genocidal Hamas (who succeeded as a result, after Israel gave all Gaza away in 2005, the terror entity which controls Gaza Ministry of Health which provides false data to media) by some 6,000 -- suffocating families hiding in shelters, raping while shouting in ecstasy 'Allah hu akbar' and demoniacs laughs; beheadings, body mutilations; burning families alive -- had included also: the sick cheering by masses in Gaza receiving the hostages. The twisted jubilation.

The searing question is: where are the moderate Arabs?


1930s-1940s Arab-Palestine legacy.

It's logical to assume that, hypothetically, if the inventor of genocidal "adbakh al Yahud' some nine years before agitating to the butchering accompanied with rapes of Haredi non-Zionist pious Jews in Hebron, two decades before becoming Hitler's Mufti - Haj Amin al- Husseini via his gangs (which included Ahmad Shukeiri who even assisted in assassination of his brother Dr. Anwar) had not massacred the thousands of moderate Arabs between 1936-1939, the Feb 1941 poll by Sari Sakakini would not have shown as it did: 88% Arab-Palestine for Nazis, (though 23 May 1937 NYT reporting showed pro Hitler, how all Arabs celebrated Muhammad's birthday). CIA report Aug-1942 also showed a majority guilty.

It seems, looking back at history, the guilty mainstream there, never ceased since - at least considerably. So was the 1947/1948 explanation by Arab Higher Committee’s Jamal Husseini on Arab objection to Israel as a State - because it will interrupt the "Arab race", through: 'Mein Kampf' a bestseller since 1999; mixture of: Holocaust denial on one hand and despicable comparisons to fighting on the other with Nazi glorification in-between - 'Swastika-Palestine'; 2014 93% of Arab Palestinians anti-Semitic (ADL poll); 2015 reported shameless 'Hitler' store so popular there - destroyed by IDF in 2023, and the present situation: as it is today.

[And just who are the main agitators for anti-Jewish racism in the West, today, "Buddhist" immigrants ya think?]

The talk about de-radicalizing Gaza, isn't just talk. It's THE issue.

No one is born a racist. Excuse the pun, but Arab-Islamic-Palestine textbooks are textbook racism, and deaths glorification [in their jargon "martyrdom"], continuing with officials media official linked sermons. That goes for "moderate" PA too, of course.


IMAGINE

Imagine had there been a considerable moderate part in Gaza, if the answer is that everyone is afraid, naturally, of the brutal regime, but at least a protest through poll.

But no.

Public opinion on Gaza's regime Hamas among Palestinian Arabs living there, has been mixed throughout the war, with some polls showing a significant decline in support for the terrorist group due to the deprivations of the war, and some polls showing enduring support for Hamas continuing to rule or at least making the right decision in launching the October 7 attack. Yet, most polls conducted by "Palestinian" polling firms show more support for Hamas as well as its decision to launch the October 7 attack in Judea and Samaria compared to in Gaza. Nevertheless, at least a significant portion of Gazans want Hamas to stay.
That, after all the destruction it has caused, triggering the war to begin with, mingling among civilians, controlling aid.
Not to mention the general, always brutality and torturous dictatorship throughout.

Of course terrorists' continued use of civilians is boosted by fuel flooding from protests with drama slurs and media broadcasting graphic imagery. But what are most Gazans' simple personal priorities, aspirations?

[As a whole, the Arab "Palestinians" are not terribly diverse. It's so amazing how Israelophobes, gleefully, will choose to cite Israelis only who criticize their own government and the many organizations with some, at least on the exterior, portraying themselves as for human tights (still very politically motivated in they hyperbolic charges), but can never cite parts of the Arab Palestine side, any equivalent.
BTW, the southern Israelis victims on Oct/7, were peace-nicks, many - activists for the Arabs, and even while being attacked, reminding the Arabs that they are 'friends,' they still murdered them].

Rejoicing by brainwashed Arab kids shouting 'Mohammed Deif' -- Oct/7 mastermind No. 2 -- in public, as hostage deal was announced, doesn't give much hope.

AJA President Dr David Adler asked a question not asked publicly by others and which has become even more relevant. The article, written before the hostage deal, published by the Spectator magazine days later:
"Where are the righteous of Gaza?
Glorifying jihadists has created a populace that supports terrorism."
'The most distressing aspect of Israel’s prolonged defensive war against the barbaric Hamas terrorists is the plight of the remaining 100 hostages in Gaza. Recent testimonies from released hostages provide an insight into the dreadful conditions which hostages endured. There is evidence of beatings, starvation, sexual abuse and confinement in underground tunnels with minimal light and poor air quality.'


It's not just that crimes against humanity perpetrated by journalists including Al-Jazeera's, UNRWA guys, and doctors, but there wasn't even one righteous person to be found.
One.

It reminds Abraham pleading with Almighty Creator in Genesis 18 to spare Sodom, giving his last shot: "And he said: 'Oh, let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once. Peradventure ten shall be found there.' And He said: 'I will not destroy it for the ten's sake.'"


ISRAELIS: ONE BIG FAMILY'S DILEMMA AND FACING THE 'DEATH CULT'

So Israel was facing internal pressure from Israelis, who are like one big family and one cares for each other and moved by love and emotions for hostage families.
This humanity overpowered in the dilemma of releasing butchers amidst trembling fear of what's to come, learning hard, very bloody lessons from releasing over 1,000 Arab terrorists in exchange for 1 Israeli soldier, in the Yigal Shalit deal, years ago. Most notoriously, Yahya Sinwar, the very masterminded Oct/7 massacres.

Sinwar, the admittedly willing to sacrifice 100,000 Arab Palestinians in order to stay in power (as testified by a dentist treating him), and as revealed (per WSJ report June 10, 2024) in his messages, a calculated strategy for maximize Arab Palestinian casualties for its goals.

How sad it is, that the non-Israel side is trying to boast about a "victory," after losing so many people, which includes also non-combatants.
 
I would ordinarily be concerned that this bad deal - forcing Israel to release thousands the Islamic terrorists - would just allow HAMAS to rebuild…..but……there’s a KEY difference, which Israel has undoubtedly factored in:

In less than 48 hours, Trump will be president. He will reestablish the progress made with the Abraham Accords, with more and more reasonable Arab countries establishing diplomatic relations ships with Israel - thereby making the Palestinians and the Terrorism Funder (Iran) irrelevant and isolated and weak.
 
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Yeah, about 75% of them celebrated the massacre of innocent Jews.
Yea. Even today, the Palestine jihad sadistic regime chose to taunt Israeli families abd delay the list of names announcement
 
Yea. That is about Trump rushing it before inauguration. But not about the principle.

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This is about the agreement to a bad deal in principle, forced by the situation, though the pressed on a date [per US politics, optics on Jan/20 inauguration] probably made a bad deal, worse.
 
"Humane Israel." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Joke of the century!!
 
Yea. Even today, the Palestine jihad sadistic regime chose to taunt Israeli families abd delay the list of names announcement
The way we win against the Palestinian Jihad Sadistic Regime (PJSR) will now be through the reestablishment of the Abraham Accords. As more moderate Arab states normalize relations with Israel, the PJSR and Iran will become outliers.

It is just so tragic that the Biden Puppeteers enriched Iran and enabled Oct 7 in the first place.
 
The way we win against the Palestinian Jihad Sadistic Regime (PJSR) will now be through the reestablishment of the Abraham Accords. As more moderate Arab states normalize relations with Israel, the PJSR and Iran will become outliers.

It is just so tragic that the Biden Puppeteers enriched Iran and enabled Oct 7 in the first place.
I disagree. I suspect that is Trump's position, and it is an appropriate position for the US President to have, but for Israelis who are in the line of fire, the only way to defeat the Palestinian terrorists is to destroy them and to maintain control of Gaza until the Palestinians catch up with the states that war willing to normalize relations with Israel; this is a generational project.
 
I disagree. I suspect that is Trump's position, and it is an appropriate position for the US President to have, but for Israelis who are in the line of fire, the only way to defeat the Palestinian terrorists is to destroy them and to maintain control of Gaza until the Palestinians catch up with the states that war willing to normalize relations with Israel; this is a generational project.
It is VERY hard to turn down a chance to get the hostages back, and instead relegate them to a continued “life” of abuse and starvation - and likely a slow, suffering death.

I too am uncomfortable with HAMAS getting hundreds of their savages back, but I think Israel had to make a difficult decision.
 
Poll after poll shows most Palestinian are racist pro Hamas.
Yet the Biden Administration bent over backwards to say the Palestinians are all “innocent.” All in a play for the Muslim vote in Michigan, and of course under the direction of Obama (who admitted he sides with Muslims).
 
Yet the Biden Administration bent over backwards to say the Palestinians are all “innocent.” All in a play for the Muslim vote in Michigan, and of course under the direction of Obama (who admitted he sides with Muslims).

Delusional
 
It is VERY hard to turn down a chance to get the hostages back, and instead relegate them to a continued “life” of abuse and starvation - and likely a slow, suffering death.

I too am uncomfortable with HAMAS getting hundreds of their savages back, but I think Israel had to make a difficult decision.
There are no easy choices here, but keep in mind that the ceasefire requires the IDF to withdraw from Gaza and that means Hamas will be able to rearm, reconstruct its fortification and smuggle in more weapons and that will mean more Israeli soldiers will die and more Israeli civilians will die in the future, and even beyond the numbers it will mean Israelis will have to live like it is one minute to midnight on Oct 6 until it stops making deals with the Palestinians and goes back in and cleans out this nest of vipers.

There are no easy decisions to be made, but accepting the terms of this ceasefire was the easiest one to make and in the long run the most expensive one to pay for.
 
It is VERY hard to turn down a chance to get the hostages back, and instead relegate them to a continued “life” of abuse and starvation - and likely a slow, suffering death.

I too am uncomfortable with HAMAS getting hundreds of their savages back, but I think Israel had to make a difficult decision.

They can, and probably will, just kill them later on.

There is no making peace with those savages. They either have to die off naturally or be killed. There's just no other way.

Don't forget, Hamas broke an existing Cease Fire on 10/7
 
Biden pledged ironclad support to Israel from day one paying Netanyahu a special visit at the outset. The 'special relationship' with Israel in Biden's eyes meant unconditional support and no possible red lines that Israel could cross in its prosecution of its genocidal aims. This is backed up with the Biden's permission of 15 months of conflict funded through tens of billions of US tax payer dollars to establish a mountain of Palestinian bodies, mostly women and children, which a bunch of freaks here on this forum endlessly celebrate with masturbatory glee. Other than the hostages that Biden's prolonged conflict needlessly killed and for which he arguably bears a measure of responsibility, Biden has supplied the biggest gift to you blood gargling psychos with the mayhem he fueled.

Contrast that to Trump who has seemingly come to understand this is no way makes America great, but rather does the opposite. And rather than being lead around a client state, the US is the hegemonic power in this relationship and holds all the cards and tells Netanyahu and his corrupt assemblage to cut this bullshit out.
 
It is VERY hard to turn down a chance to get the hostages back, and instead relegate them to a continued “life” of abuse and starvation - and likely a slow, suffering death.

I too am uncomfortable with HAMAS getting hundreds of their savages back, but I think Israel had to make a difficult decision.
Of course everyone wants to get the hostages back, but at what cost? The terms of the ceasefire requires Israel to withdraw from Gaza and leave Hamas in charge to rearm, rebuild its fortifications, etc. until it is back to Oct 6 and Hamas is about to launch its next attack. 405 Israeli soldiers have died so far in Gaza, how many will die next time if they have to go back in as Halevi and Gallant say Israel will do if necessary because of this ceasefire agreement? How many Israeli civilians will die because of this agreement? How many hostages will be taken the next time because of this agreement?

Of course everyone wants to save lives, but Israel sends soldiers into Gaza knowing some will die there because their sacrifice will give Israel a more secure future; will withdrawing from Gaza to save the lives of the hostages give Israel a more secure future or a less secure future?

This ceasefire agreement is not a good investment in Israel's future.
 
It is VERY hard to turn down a chance to get the hostages back, and instead relegate them to a continued “life” of abuse and starvation - and likely a slow, suffering death.

I too am uncomfortable with HAMAS getting hundreds of their savages back, but I think Israel had to make a difficult decision.
It's certainly about the very human thing of releasing hostages from hell.
 

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