All the House GOP and the President - what an unfair advantage!!!

[Murf76]

Well in this debate I must admit you have a clear advantage...I call it the utopian right wing solution...there is never any cost in human capital in right wing solutions...everyone would agree with you scum bags if men women and children and the aged would evaporate.

You right wing pea brains need to send the kids off to the factories for pennies a day, work 7 days a week for peanuts, see you neighbor come home from work in a box, watch Grandma and Grandpa struggle from being forced to work until they die and forfeit all YOU'VE gained off the sweat and blood those hated 'progressives'

THEN, you would have to grow the spine to fight for those things yourself...

the REPUBLICAN plan...THAT would be the cartel run health care system we HAVE... otherwise Republicans would have addressed it in all those years they were in power after they sabotaged Clinton's plan. Oh I forgot...they DID pass the biggest unpaid entitlement plan that was a windfall for the cartels...Medicare D, you know, the one that screws Grandma and Grandpa.

The current "we have ideas' reactionary Republican 'plan' is a joke and a huge rip off... it costs 1/2 as much, but would only cover less than 1/10 as many people. Only a pea brain would not be able to do THAT math...

Oh... cry me a river. It's not Republicans who plan to defund Medicare of nearly a half trillion dollars in order to fund their healthcare folly. It's not Republicans who plan to dictate treatment options in the guise of Comparative Effectiveness Research. Not Bush who would give Grannie "a pill" rather than bypass surgery. It's not the Republican plan which guarantees business as usual for the "insurance cartels".

And you are most welcome to show me any example of Republicans pushing FOR child labor.
Good grief, man. What a reach. Although, Lord knows, teenagers who NEED jobs, who need the life experience of learning to work, can't find them anymore. Everything this administration does is designed to discourage employers from taking on part-time workers. Why pay healthcare for 20 part-timers if you can pay for 8 full-timers?

YOUR version of "compassion" robs from one citizen to ostensibly improve the life of another. But under the "progressive" system we've experienced for decades, our cities are crumbling and our citizens are enslaved by debt. If your way worked, why hasn't it worked in the cities and states where progressives reign supreme?

 

[Murf76]

Really??? I think that your mind was made up before you even saw it. And then when the prez was so well prepared and brilliant, it really pissed you off. Hence all of these comments attacking his character. Why can't you just admit that he held his own at this gathering?? That he was gracious and totally prepared??

I was wondering how George Bush would have done in the same situation!! OMG!! The late night comics would have had new material for the next year!!!

"Gracious and totally prepared"??



Well, I can't say I'm surprised that you liberals would see it that way. You never seem to expect any actual answers from him. His august presence appears to hold you enthralled, awed beyond competent logic. And let's face it... as a group, you're not best known for your manners. His must seem gloriously refined in comparison.

 

[Political Junky]

Really??? I think that your mind was made up before you even saw it. And then when the prez was so well prepared and brilliant, it really pissed you off. Hence all of these comments attacking his character. Why can't you just admit that he held his own at this gathering?? That he was gracious and totally prepared??

I was wondering how George Bush would have done in the same situation!! OMG!! The late night comics would have had new material for the next year!!!

"Gracious and totally prepared"??



Well, I can't say I'm surprised that you liberals would see it that way. You never seem to expect any actual answers from him. His august presence appears to hold you enthralled, awed beyond competent logic. And let's face it... as a group, you're not best known for your manners. His must seem gloriously refined in comparison.

What's really surprising is that you didn't grasp what was being said.

 

[Political Junky]

Well in this debate I must admit you have a clear advantage...I call it the utopian right wing solution...there is never any cost in human capital in right wing solutions...everyone would agree with you scum bags if men women and children and the aged would evaporate.

You right wing pea brains need to send the kids off to the factories for pennies a day, work 7 days a week for peanuts, see you neighbor come home from work in a box, watch Grandma and Grandpa struggle from being forced to work until they die and forfeit all YOU'VE gained off the sweat and blood those hated 'progressives'

THEN, you would have to grow the spine to fight for those things yourself...

the REPUBLICAN plan...THAT would be the cartel run health care system we HAVE... otherwise Republicans would have addressed it in all those years they were in power after they sabotaged Clinton's plan. Oh I forgot...they DID pass the biggest unpaid entitlement plan that was a windfall for the cartels...Medicare D, you know, the one that screws Grandma and Grandpa.

The current "we have ideas' reactionary Republican 'plan' is a joke and a huge rip off... it costs 1/2 as much, but would only cover less than 1/10 as many people. Only a pea brain would not be able to do THAT math...

Oh... cry me a river. It's not Republicans who plan to defund Medicare of nearly a half trillion dollars in order to fund their healthcare folly. It's not Republicans who plan to dictate treatment options in the guise of Comparative Effectiveness Research. Not Bush who would give Grannie "a pill" rather than bypass surgery. It's not the Republican plan which guarantees business as usual for the "insurance cartels".

And you are most welcome to show me any example of Republicans pushing FOR child labor.
Good grief, man. What a reach. Although, Lord knows, teenagers who NEED jobs, who need the life experience of learning to work, can't find them anymore. Everything this administration does is designed to discourage employers from taking on part-time workers. Why pay healthcare for 20 part-timers if you can pay for 8 full-timers?

YOUR version of "compassion" robs from one citizen to ostensibly improve the life of another. But under the "progressive" system we've experienced for decades, our cities are crumbling and our citizens are enslaved by debt. If your way worked, why hasn't it worked in the cities and states where progressives reign supreme?

The money to be cut from Medicare is the waste.
It is refreshing to see you defend Medicare though.

 

[Annie]

Obama said yesterday raising taxes is not the answer in a fragile economy, but across the board tax cuts are not the answer either... when business is not spending and citizens are not spending and the Fed is out bullets it leaves only one entity capable of injecting money into the economy to stimulate it...

I'd take you seriously if you were serious ...but you call for a business plan and then you dismiss our NEED to address energy and health care as an intergal part of a business plan. It gives you away as a Utopian...a right wing hack

Okay fuckhead. You want to call names? THAT's where you want to take the discussion.. let's just do that then, you commie pig-******* piece of shit. You stupid moonbat "hack".

There does that do it for you? 'Cause we can keep going. Just table the discussion and call each other names until we're bored. Isn't that how you leftwing assholes try to intimidate people who disagree with you?




China is utilizing MORE capitalism, not less. Progressivism is just the fascist face of socialism. California's damn near bankrupt because of it. Silicon Valley ain't what it used to be, with venture capital investments falling to the lowest since 2003:
Venture funding plunged in 2009 to lowest level in six years - SiliconValley.com

Health care costs TO American business put them at a distinct disadvantage against foreign competition ...

Health Care
Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

Lee Iacocca

Lee Iacocca - Health Care

Did you miss the employer mandates in Obamacare? How is making employers MORE responsible for expensive healthcare benefits going to mean less overhead for them? Nothing the Socialist Democrats in Congress have designed will actually bring down the costs of policies or the costs of treatment. In fact, their mandates on preventative care will RAISE the costs of policies.

The obvious solution is to interject competition, thereby bringing the costs of policies down, and to shift away from employer-based healthcare. Obamacare doesn't do that.

That'd be the REPUBLICAN plan.

Well in this debate I must admit you have a clear advantage...I call it the utopian right wing solution...there is never any cost in human capital in right wing solutions...everyone would agree with you scum bags if men women and children and the aged would evaporate.

You right wing pea brains need to send the kids off to the factories for pennies a day, work 7 days a week for peanuts, see you neighbor come home from work in a box, watch Grandma and Grandpa struggle from being forced to work until they die and forfeit all YOU'VE gained off the sweat and blood those hated 'progressives'

THEN, you would have to grow the spine to fight for those things yourself...

the REPUBLICAN plan...THAT would be the cartel run health care system we HAVE... otherwise Republicans would have addressed it in all those years they were in power after they sabotaged Clinton's plan. Oh I forgot...they DID pass the biggest unpaid entitlement plan that was a windfall for the cartels...Medicare D, you know, the one that screws Grandma and Grandpa.

The current "we have ideas' reactionary Republican 'plan' is a joke and a huge rip off... it costs 1/2 as much, but would only cover less than 1/10 as many people. Only a pea brain would not be able to do THAT math...

I just figured it out! You wrote Obama's ditty for the SOTU and the Republican retreat!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's see, be concerned that Willow et al are unhappy or be glad that BHO reached out to the GOP congress and said, essentially, "Quit being turds, get on board, and let's govern this country."

Yepper, whacko loony ranting here from the activist agenda-driven far right is nothing more than a pile of crap on the ground. And when someone pokes a stick into it and stirs, like the whackos are doing here, it merely smells even worse.

 

[Murf76]

If the GOP had its way, there would be no Social Security, no Meidcare, no Medicaid, and no minimum wage. And oh yeah, judging from the famous Ronald Reagon quote, no desegregation. The party of "No" would be happy to wind the clock back to the Industrial Age...

Utter bullshit. For one thing, it's Democrats who fought FOR segregation. And for another, the modern GOP is just as susceptible to the lure of pandering through entitlement programs as the Democrats are. You don't exactly see them sending those programs back to the States where they belong, do you?
No, you don't. What you see is Medicare Advantage, and the failure across both parties to repair the unsustainable spending on entitlements.

THAT is the problem with entitlements. They're supposed to be run by politicians, but instead... they take on a life of their own and politicians are run BY them.

Constitutionalists will tell you that social programs belong in the States. Unfortunately, we can no longer count on the GOP to offer us strict constitutionalists. But they're the best game in town, wishy-washy as they are, because we can count with great certainty on the fact that Socialist Democrats will not concern themselves with constitutionality AT ALL.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The President should offer to do these Q and A's once a month with the Republicans, TELEVISED, and see how eager they are for that.

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

 

[rdean]

If the GOP had its way, there would be no Social Security, no Meidcare, no Medicaid, and no minimum wage. And oh yeah, judging from the famous Ronald Reagon quote, no desegregation. The party of "No" would be happy to wind the clock back to the Industrial Age...

Utter bullshit. For one thing, it's Democrats who fought FOR segregation. And for another, the modern GOP is just as susceptible to the lure of pandering through entitlement programs as the Democrats are. You don't exactly see them sending those programs back to the States where they belong, do you?
No, you don't. What you see is Medicare Advantage, and the failure across both parties to repair the unsustainable spending on entitlements.

THAT is the problem with entitlements. They're supposed to be run by politicians, but instead... they take on a life of their own and politicians are run BY them.

Constitutionalists will tell you that social programs belong in the States. Unfortunately, we can no longer count on the GOP to offer us strict constitutionalists. But they're the best game in town, wishy-washy as they are, because we can count with great certainty on the fact that Socialist Democrats will not concern themselves with constitutionality AT ALL.

It's not a question of Democrats and Republicans, but "Liberals" and "Conservatives". Republicans haven't ALWAYS been Conservative and Democrats haven't ALWAYS been Liberal.

However, Conservatives have ALWAYS been against Social Security, Civil Rights, Integration, biracial marriage, Medicare, Medicaid and child protection laws. And lets not forget hate crime laws, equal pay, the list is endless. To say anything else would be a lie, obviously.

 

[Political Junky]

The President should offer to do these Q and A's once a month with the Republicans, TELEVISED, and see how eager they are for that.

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

The republicans certainly did invite Obama, they just didn't know how effortlessly he'd make them look foolish.

 

[rdean]

The President should offer to do these Q and A's once a month with the Republicans, TELEVISED, and see how eager they are for that.

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

They thought they were prepared. A black guy against all those Confederates? I'm sure they thought that would give them an advantage.

Then, after a year of rhetoric, Nazi/Socialist/Communist, government taking over your life, death panels, kill grandma, and so on, Republcians had forgotten "facts". You can spout rhetoric and believe it until confronted with "truth". As soon as that happens, the rhetoric sounds ludicrous, even to your ears. Truth is truth.

Notice how many say, "Obama is arrogant" or "Obama is smug", but many of those same people aren't saying he "lied". They just don't like him, but they couldn't say he lied, so they make the attack "personal", something "imaginary", something you can't really deny because it's an opinion and not based on cold, hard facts.

I'm just surprised I didn't see Michael Steel or Alen Keyes. Was Obama the only black guy in the room?

 

[Murf76]

The money to be cut from Medicare is the waste.
It is refreshing to see you defend Medicare though.

Liberals have repeatedly denied that we're going to ration healthcare to Granny. But just who is it that decides what is "waste"? How is that determination made? How is it that we have nearly a HALF TRILLION dollars in "waste" and no heads have rolled? How can we trust a central government that has already tolerated a half trillion dollars in "waste" without addressing it before now? If they knew it was there, why didn't they ALREADY do something about it?

You guys are really quick to complain about the use of the phrase "death panel", but what else would you call it when THE GOVERNMENT dictates healthcare choices to patients? And before you start squawking about how insurance companies dictate patient choice as well... be prepared, because my next question will be WHY do you stand with them instead of against them in the matter of limited competition? Holding insurance choices to a half dozen or less per state makes it EASIER, not harder, for insurance providers to ration treatment.

 

[Avatar4321]

I am flabbergasted how delusional the left is about Obama's apperance yesterday. I mean sure he didnt hang himself, but he had to admit that he lied, and was unprepared to answer alot of the questions. Heck, he didn't answer alot of the questions. He just rambled about his own agenda and told the Republicans how they need to just blindly follow him cause he says so.

Look, you are absolutely delusional if you think the President came off looking good when he was forced to concede one of his biggeste arguments. Im not saying the Republicans totally whipped his butt, but seriously, you're saying that was a good performance? You seriously need to raise you standards.

 

[Murf76]

They thought they were prepared. A black guy against all those Confederates? I'm sure they thought that would give them an advantage.

Then, after a year of rhetoric, Nazi/Socialist/Communist, government taking over your life, death panels, kill grandma, and so on, Republcians had forgotten "facts". You can spout rhetoric and believe it until confronted with "truth". As soon as that happens, the rhetoric sounds ludicrous, even to your ears. Truth is truth.

Notice how many say, "Obama is arrogant" or "Obama is smug", but many of those same people aren't saying he "lied". They just don't like him, but they couldn't say he lied, so they make the attack "personal", something "imaginary", something you can't really deny because it's an opinion and not based on cold, hard facts.

I'm just surprised I didn't see Michael Steel or Alen Keyes. Was Obama the only black guy in the room?

Is there any sort of actual fact forthcoming?... or are you just going to keep sticking your finger down your throat and vomiting mindless liberal invective all over us?

The only thing close to a fact that I can correct is the "Obama lies" bit. What he did... was ADMIT to one of his former lies.

 

[Political Junky]

The money to be cut from Medicare is the waste.
It is refreshing to see you defend Medicare though.

Liberals have repeatedly denied that we're going to ration healthcare to Granny. But just who is it that decides what is "waste"? How is that determination made? How is it that we have nearly a HALF TRILLION dollars in "waste" and no heads have rolled? How can we trust a central government that has already tolerated a half trillion dollars in "waste" without addressing it before now? If they knew it was there, why didn't they ALREADY do something about it?

You guys are really quick to complain about the use of the phrase "death panel", but what else would you call it when THE GOVERNMENT dictates healthcare choices to patients? And before you start squawking about how insurance companies dictate patient choice as well... be prepared, because my next question will be WHY do you stand with them instead of against them in the matter of limited competition? Holding insurance choices to a half dozen or less per state makes it EASIER, not harder, for insurance providers to ration treatment.

Certainly you're aware that rationing takes place everyday and is done by private insurance. As an example, the poor girl who died because Cigna wouldn't give her a liver transplant, is just one of thousands of similar cases.

 

[rdean]

They thought they were prepared. A black guy against all those Confederates? I'm sure they thought that would give them an advantage.

Then, after a year of rhetoric, Nazi/Socialist/Communist, government taking over your life, death panels, kill grandma, and so on, Republcians had forgotten "facts". You can spout rhetoric and believe it until confronted with "truth". As soon as that happens, the rhetoric sounds ludicrous, even to your ears. Truth is truth.

Notice how many say, "Obama is arrogant" or "Obama is smug", but many of those same people aren't saying he "lied". They just don't like him, but they couldn't say he lied, so they make the attack "personal", something "imaginary", something you can't really deny because it's an opinion and not based on cold, hard facts.

I'm just surprised I didn't see Michael Steel or Alen Keyes. Was Obama the only black guy in the room?

Is there any sort of actual fact forthcoming?... or are you just going to keep sticking your finger down your throat and vomiting mindless liberal invective all over us?

The only thing close to a fact that I can correct is the "Obama lies" bit. What he did... was ADMIT to one of his former lies.

You must have watched this on Fox, because they only showed the questions and played commentary over any Obama answers. Then, after 40 minutes, they changed to Glenn Beck.

 

[NYcarbineer]

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

The republicans certainly did invite Obama, they just didn't know how effortlessly he'd make them look foolish.

That's why the President should invite them to more such events, preferably on a regular schedule. Make them either agree, or chicken out. Establish it as a new precedent, similar to the UK Prime Minister's Q and A.

 

[Political Junky]

They thought they were prepared. A black guy against all those Confederates? I'm sure they thought that would give them an advantage.

Then, after a year of rhetoric, Nazi/Socialist/Communist, government taking over your life, death panels, kill grandma, and so on, Republcians had forgotten "facts". You can spout rhetoric and believe it until confronted with "truth". As soon as that happens, the rhetoric sounds ludicrous, even to your ears. Truth is truth.

Notice how many say, "Obama is arrogant" or "Obama is smug", but many of those same people aren't saying he "lied". They just don't like him, but they couldn't say he lied, so they make the attack "personal", something "imaginary", something you can't really deny because it's an opinion and not based on cold, hard facts.

I'm just surprised I didn't see Michael Steel or Alen Keyes. Was Obama the only black guy in the room?

Is there any sort of actual fact forthcoming?... or are you just going to keep sticking your finger down your throat and vomiting mindless liberal invective all over us?

The only thing close to a fact that I can correct is the "Obama lies" bit. What he did... was ADMIT to one of his former lies.

You must have watched this on Fox, because they only showed the questions and played commentary over any Obama answers. Then, after 40 minutes, they changed to Glenn Beck.

Fair and Balanced. LMFAO

 

[Liability]

The President should offer to do these Q and A's once a month with the Republicans, TELEVISED, and see how eager they are for that.

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

I can't help but notice that you dishonest liberoidals all strain to twist perfectly clear words.

I never said (nor did I suspect or suggest) that the GOP reps were not prepared. That's just your dishonesty bubbling up again.

What I did say (all your dishonest efforts to spin it notwithstanding) was that in the future they would be even BETTER prepared.

Most of are like that. We learn from experience. I realize this is often untrue with you liberoids. But, that's your problem.

 

[Liability]

LOL!


Oh sure. Like the GOP wouldn't come even better prepared to expose President Obama's endless and tiresome litany of lies and posturing?

After that sublimely absurd "advice," you are possibly, now, JUST ridiculous enough to merit a job as a political advisor to the President.

The Republicans weren't prepared? I thought they invited him.

The republicans certainly did invite Obama, they just didn't know how effortlessly he'd make them look foolish.

That didn't happen.

Your spin is as dishonest as carbonated's spin.

Tsk.