AGW is a driver in mass extinction events

[flacaltenn]

As I said before, it takes money to move those people and the only way they have to make money is with tourism. With 1,200 islands, they are already set up to ferry passengers about.

Nothing about concreting and asphalting complete islands and INCREASING their erosion, run-off, fresh water subsidence, pollution...

Population has grown 10 fold in 20 years. THEY are doing more damage than GWarming is... They have NO waste water treatment or garbage disposal... Mother Nature taking kicks to the groin, and you're blaming US for their issues????

 

[daveman]

Hmm... how about: It takes money to relocate your entire population and, by a huge margin, their primary income is tourist dollars.

And you wanna bet whether or not those new airports are taking rising sea levels into account?

Oh, if ONLY there were some sort of vehicle that could, maybe, float upon the sea and carry more people than an airplane possible could if you needed to move an entire population!

You've never heard of ships, Crick? They've been around a while.

 

[daveman]

Hey Crick .. I'm not busting on you for no reason.. We both consider ourselves ardent environmentalists, but you're not thinking like one wrt to all those Maldive airports.. So I'm gonna try and focus you here on the enviro nightmare they caused with that picture I posted..

Lemme prompt your instincts here.. We have an argument in this country over rainwater disposal.. Many places have now put in "rain tax" that measures the amount of CONCRETE AND ASPHALT on you property and boosts your water/sewage bill to account for the proper "run-off" and water treatment control...

Massive amounts of paving and impermeable land promote MASSIVE erosion and drainage problems.. If you lived on island that was shifting it's shores and subsiding and subject to tropical storm surge and tides and damage to any coral or coastal marine life from sedimentation and pollution ---

WOULD YOU PAVE OVER 40% of EACH ISLAND in your chain??? Where's your critical thinking on this??? Where's your environmental outrage on this???

People are misusing and aiding in the DESTRUCTION of those islands because they are too lazy to strategically plan their survival and YOU want US to subsidize their very dangerous and poor choices because of GWarming??

Get off my cloud...

Again, the Maldives consists of over 1,200 islands. They can spare two. I strongly suspect the islands being used were uninhabited.

The two airports? Yeah, they're for domestic service...not evacuating the population.

And an environmental study recommended against one of them...which will destroy 5 islands.

But the 394-page EIA warns of a “strong likelihood of flooding on the airport due to the elevation” which could make the airport unusable.

It also details the “significant impacts” the project will have on vegetation and marine life.

“Vegetation clearing is one of the most significant impacts where it is anticipated that roughly 14,000-16,000 trees will be removed,” says the EIA.

“This will result in a large volume of green waste that needs to be managed. In addition, coastal construction activities will involve significant adverse impacts on the marine water quality and marine life.”

The EIA was carried out by the private firm CDE Consulting.

Environmental effects include the erosion of unprotected areas, increase in wave activity, flooding, degradation of biodiversity, waste accumulation and pollution of the air and soil.

“The current design of the project leaves the beach on the oceanward side unprotected and it does not include a beach slope or an erosion buffer, making it likely to erode following reclamation.”

It also warns of habitat loss and groundwater contamination.

...

The southern atolls have a history of flooding due to tropical storms.

The EIA recommendations were turned down in order to keep the airport as close to Faresmaathodaa as possible.

An environmental expert familiar with the area said it made no sense to build a new airport in the atoll, when two existing airports were almost an hour away by speedboat from Faresmaathodaa island.

“There are surges caused by long-period waves from southern Indian storms,” he told the Maldives Independent on condition of anonymity.

“In 2007 we had the latest recorded major event. The storm surges are like little tsunamis. The water level will rise above normal. This flows between the two islands and when closed it creates a bay for the water levels to rise.

“These surges occur every 10 years,” he added. “It doesn’t make sense to reclaim the area for an airport while this happens frequently.”

The report warns of storm surges of up to three metres based on 2006 UNDP statistics. It did not take into account the swell of 2007, although islanders mentioned this incident in stakeholder consultations.
​

The government of the Maldives sure does have the best interests of the environment in mind, don't they?

 

[jc456]

Does that not bother you

Not in the slightest ... I am not arrogant enough to believe that me, or my progeny, are the zenith of the evolutionary process.

You don't have to be the zenith to survive and you'd be a very rare bird if you didn't actually care about your children. I don't think you're winning any prizes by pretending to be too tough to care.

Oh no!!!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Hey Crick .. I'm not busting on you for no reason.. We both consider ourselves ardent environmentalists, but you're not thinking like one wrt to all those Maldive airports.. So I'm gonna try and focus you here on the enviro nightmare they caused with that picture I posted..

Lemme prompt your instincts here.. We have an argument in this country over rainwater disposal.. Many places have now put in "rain tax" that measures the amount of CONCRETE AND ASPHALT on you property and boosts your water/sewage bill to account for the proper "run-off" and water treatment control...

Massive amounts of paving and impermeable land promote MASSIVE erosion and drainage problems.. If you lived on island that was shifting it's shores and subsiding and subject to tropical storm surge and tides and damage to any coral or coastal marine life from sedimentation and pollution ---

WOULD YOU PAVE OVER 40% of EACH ISLAND in your chain??? Where's your critical thinking on this??? Where's your environmental outrage on this???

People are misusing and aiding in the DESTRUCTION of those islands because they are too lazy to strategically plan their survival and YOU want US to subsidize their very dangerous and poor choices because of GWarming??

Get off my cloud...

Again, the Maldives consists of over 1,200 islands. They can spare two. I strongly suspect the islands being used were uninhabited.

The two airports? Yeah, they're for domestic service...not evacuating the population.

And an environmental study recommended against one of them...which will destroy 5 islands.

But the 394-page EIA warns of a “strong likelihood of flooding on the airport due to the elevation” which could make the airport unusable.

It also details the “significant impacts” the project will have on vegetation and marine life.

“Vegetation clearing is one of the most significant impacts where it is anticipated that roughly 14,000-16,000 trees will be removed,” says the EIA.

“This will result in a large volume of green waste that needs to be managed. In addition, coastal construction activities will involve significant adverse impacts on the marine water quality and marine life.”

The EIA was carried out by the private firm CDE Consulting.

Environmental effects include the erosion of unprotected areas, increase in wave activity, flooding, degradation of biodiversity, waste accumulation and pollution of the air and soil.

“The current design of the project leaves the beach on the oceanward side unprotected and it does not include a beach slope or an erosion buffer, making it likely to erode following reclamation.”

It also warns of habitat loss and groundwater contamination.

...

The southern atolls have a history of flooding due to tropical storms.

The EIA recommendations were turned down in order to keep the airport as close to Faresmaathodaa as possible.

An environmental expert familiar with the area said it made no sense to build a new airport in the atoll, when two existing airports were almost an hour away by speedboat from Faresmaathodaa island.

“There are surges caused by long-period waves from southern Indian storms,” he told the Maldives Independent on condition of anonymity.

“In 2007 we had the latest recorded major event. The storm surges are like little tsunamis. The water level will rise above normal. This flows between the two islands and when closed it creates a bay for the water levels to rise.

“These surges occur every 10 years,” he added. “It doesn’t make sense to reclaim the area for an airport while this happens frequently.”

The report warns of storm surges of up to three metres based on 2006 UNDP statistics. It did not take into account the swell of 2007, although islanders mentioned this incident in stakeholder consultations.
​

The government of the Maldives sure does have the best interests of the environment in mind, don't they?

With their population boom and poor planning they've RAPED that paradise.. And now they have an excuse to get the rich sugar-daddy nations to help them out... It's no wonder they led the protests and walk-outs at all those UN IPCC GW summits when the checks were not written to them...

 

[fncceo]

Buy an electric vehicle. Ride a bike when you can. Conserve power at home and at work. Vote for political candidates who accept mainstream science and respond intelligently to threats to you and your offspring, like AGW.

Pretty much 'No' to all that.

 

[Blackrook]

Liberals are constantly telling us there are too many people in the world, and that's one of the main reasons they support legalized abortion.

Then they turn around and scream that there will be a massive die-off of population because of global warming and they demand we do something to stop it.

I know asking for consistency from liberals is asking too much.

 

[gipper]

Numerous studies have concluded that we are moving into the Earth's sixth mass extinction event. The cause are almost all anthropogenic: pollution, loss of habitat, global warming, disruption of predator/prey relationships, migratory changes, introduction of new diseases, etc.

This study finds that increased levels of anthropogenic global warming lead to increased number of species extinction events. Acting to mitigate AGW will limit the number of species lost.
Extinction risk from climate change
Abstract
Climate change over the past ∼30 years has produced numerous shifts in the distributions and abundances of species1,2 and has been implicated in one species-level extinction3. Using projections of species' distributions for future climate scenarios, we assess extinction risks for sample regions that cover some 20% of the Earth's terrestrial surface. Exploring three approaches in which the estimated probability of extinction shows a power-law relationship with geographical range size, we predict, on the basis of mid-range climate-warming scenarios for 2050, that 15–37% of species in our sample of regions and taxa will be ‘committed to extinction’. When the average of the three methods and two dispersal scenarios is taken, minimal climate-warming scenarios produce lower projections of species committed to extinction (∼18%) than mid-range (∼24%) and maximum-change (∼35%) scenarios. These estimates show the importance of rapid implementation of technologies to decrease greenhouse gas emissions and strategies for carbon sequestration.

What about all the prior extinction events? You know? The ones before fossil fuels were used by man.

...but this time, it's man made right?

Love this short video...you should too.

 

[Crick]

For the most part, yes, and AGW is one of the factors.

The past mass extinction events had a variety of causes. If you are going to claim that man couldn't cause this one because he didn't cause past extinction events... please don't

 

[gipper]

For the most part, yes, and AGW is one of the factors.

The past mass extinction events had a variety of causes. If you are going to claim that man couldn't cause this one because he didn't cause past extinction events... please don't

Okay that's fair. It could be that fossil fuel burning exacerbates warming...slightly, while nature provides the rest of the warming. Though many dispute warming from fossil fuels.

At any rate, finding alternative sources of energy that does not pollute the planet makes a great deal of sense, and no one disputes this. We just need viable sources of alternative energy that are cost effective and do not also pollute the planet.

The fear many of us have, is government is using AGW to enrich and empower itself, rather than doing good for mankind. This is a rational fear when one evaluates government's horrendous track record.

 

[Crick]

That must be where out trillion dollar deficit came from. And the horde of controversial laws to save energy

 

[gipper]

That must be where out trillion dollar deficit came from. And the horde of controversial laws to save energy

Yeah...government is GREAT.

LOL!

 

[Crick]

There is no evidence that the government is enriching itself or seizing more power via AGW.

How, specifically, do you believe those two things are happening?

 

[gipper]

That must be where out trillion dollar deficit came from. And the horde of controversial laws to save energy

Yeah...government is GREAT.

LOL!

 

[jc456]

It looks to me as if they damn near pegged it back in 1988.

On front line of climate change as Maldives fights rising seas

The Six Island Nations of The Indian Ocean

They still exist 30 years later and are not underwater.

 

[jc456]

There is no evidence that the government is enriching itself or seizing more power via AGW.

How, specifically, do you believe those two things are happening?

 

[fncceo]

Forbes isn't a science magazine ... but when it comes to economics, they are spot on...

Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype

 

[daveman]

Hey Crick .. I'm not busting on you for no reason.. We both consider ourselves ardent environmentalists, but you're not thinking like one wrt to all those Maldive airports.. So I'm gonna try and focus you here on the enviro nightmare they caused with that picture I posted..

Lemme prompt your instincts here.. We have an argument in this country over rainwater disposal.. Many places have now put in "rain tax" that measures the amount of CONCRETE AND ASPHALT on you property and boosts your water/sewage bill to account for the proper "run-off" and water treatment control...

Massive amounts of paving and impermeable land promote MASSIVE erosion and drainage problems.. If you lived on island that was shifting it's shores and subsiding and subject to tropical storm surge and tides and damage to any coral or coastal marine life from sedimentation and pollution ---

WOULD YOU PAVE OVER 40% of EACH ISLAND in your chain??? Where's your critical thinking on this??? Where's your environmental outrage on this???

People are misusing and aiding in the DESTRUCTION of those islands because they are too lazy to strategically plan their survival and YOU want US to subsidize their very dangerous and poor choices because of GWarming??

Get off my cloud...

Again, the Maldives consists of over 1,200 islands. They can spare two. I strongly suspect the islands being used were uninhabited.

The two airports? Yeah, they're for domestic service...not evacuating the population.

And an environmental study recommended against one of them...which will destroy 5 islands.

But the 394-page EIA warns of a “strong likelihood of flooding on the airport due to the elevation” which could make the airport unusable.

It also details the “significant impacts” the project will have on vegetation and marine life.

“Vegetation clearing is one of the most significant impacts where it is anticipated that roughly 14,000-16,000 trees will be removed,” says the EIA.

“This will result in a large volume of green waste that needs to be managed. In addition, coastal construction activities will involve significant adverse impacts on the marine water quality and marine life.”

The EIA was carried out by the private firm CDE Consulting.

Environmental effects include the erosion of unprotected areas, increase in wave activity, flooding, degradation of biodiversity, waste accumulation and pollution of the air and soil.

“The current design of the project leaves the beach on the oceanward side unprotected and it does not include a beach slope or an erosion buffer, making it likely to erode following reclamation.”

It also warns of habitat loss and groundwater contamination.

...

The southern atolls have a history of flooding due to tropical storms.

The EIA recommendations were turned down in order to keep the airport as close to Faresmaathodaa as possible.

An environmental expert familiar with the area said it made no sense to build a new airport in the atoll, when two existing airports were almost an hour away by speedboat from Faresmaathodaa island.

“There are surges caused by long-period waves from southern Indian storms,” he told the Maldives Independent on condition of anonymity.

“In 2007 we had the latest recorded major event. The storm surges are like little tsunamis. The water level will rise above normal. This flows between the two islands and when closed it creates a bay for the water levels to rise.

“These surges occur every 10 years,” he added. “It doesn’t make sense to reclaim the area for an airport while this happens frequently.”

The report warns of storm surges of up to three metres based on 2006 UNDP statistics. It did not take into account the swell of 2007, although islanders mentioned this incident in stakeholder consultations.
​

The government of the Maldives sure does have the best interests of the environment in mind, don't they?

With their population boom and poor planning they've RAPED that paradise.. And now they have an excuse to get the rich sugar-daddy nations to help them out... It's no wonder they led the protests and walk-outs at all those UN IPCC GW summits when the checks were not written to them...

White liberals are horribly racist and colonial when it comes to brown people.

 

[sparky]

. Maybe you should FOCUS on the REAL ones...

I'm sure a list exists....

So... you don't mind if we go extinct? When we don't have to? I mean.... you don't think it's worth the effort? Is that what you're saying?

an effort in futility towards the inevitable....

You really are ignorant of history.

especially that jurassic era...

~S~

 

[gipper]

There is no evidence that the government is enriching itself or seizing more power via AGW.

How, specifically, do you believe those two things are happening?

And here I thought you were a serious person. That post just proved you aren’t.