Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

[Meathead]

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.

Was Adam born alone or first?

If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?

Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

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DL

He did punish Adam, with Eve just as he punished Bill with Hillary.

 

[ding]

Uh, no, since words have definitions. The english language is not a collection of myths that can mean whatever you want them to mean on any given day.

How does that have anything to do with being relentlessly attacked for your beliefs?

What would you do if someone only posted how evil atheists are? Every post. Wouldn't you think that person had no conscience?

 

[GreatestIam]

..religion is man made/fake---you you can make up any story you want about it

You state the obvious.

An opinion on the moral issues would have been more helpful.

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DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It's simply a symbolic, ancient story, having to do with the inner struggles of temptation. The punishment is probably more like the separation from happiness due to feelings of guilt.
However you want to look at it the story was meant to be a lesson of some sort, the characters of Adam and Eve representing ancestors, i wouldnt put too much effort in trying to break down those little details.

And just ignore the huge amount of harm to women and gays that Christianity is still bringing to them.

Ok.

Sounds humane and moral that.

Not.

What are you? A fucking extreme right wing loony or extreme left wing loony?

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DL

 

[harmonica]

GreatestIam an opinion on fairytale bullshit??

 

[GreatestIam]

Because the myth was written by ignorant, terrified, superstitious, patriarchal people.

I basically disagree, but would say that of those today who read the bible literally.

The ancients were wiser than we are today.

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DL

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I basically disagree, but would say that of those today who read the bible literally.

The ancients were wiser than we are today.

Regards
DL

What makes you think that? Exorcisms, or witch burnings?

 

[GreatestIam]

The Biblical story has Eve sinning due to seduction by Satan, then seducing Adam to likewise sin.

Why have you chosen to lie about this?

Could Eve resist Satan?

You do recall from scriptures that Satan was given Dominion of all people. All includes A & E.

Eve could not resist Yahweh's own power running through Satan or the talking serpent.

Why else do you think god put them in Eden for if not to have Adam, not Eve, sin, so that the death of the redeemer in the wings would not be wasted.

Your own hymn sings of the happy fault of Adam's sin.
Why are Christians two faced on this?

You are the liar when you say Eve seduced Adam.

Get the dialog. There is nothing that shows Eve seducing Adam.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

What makes you think that? Exorcisms, or witch burnings?

Neither.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?

Further.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Neither.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?

Further.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

Uh... I am not so sure you can make the case that people were wiser 2000 years ago by cherry-picking a few well educated people who had time to do something besides struggle for food and water and invent magical ideas to explain things. In fact, you highlight how many more educated and wise people we have today, and how much better the world is.

 

[GreatestIam]

a&e chose their own mission

One cannot make an intelligent free willed choice without knowing the parameters.

Your view is dumb.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

According to Genesis 3:1-3

Genesis 3:1-3
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Eve apparently understood that the commandment was not just a commandment for Adam but for her as well. So I do not agree with the premise of this blog but believe that Eve also was under the commandment and was punished likewise for her disobedience. According to the bible both Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden and both were subject to death.

Why would Yahweh even want to punish anyone if the sin in Eden kept his plan on the rails?

That should make god happy. Right?

Would you derail the plan or have a bite?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

what good is religion without lots and lots of punishment threats

A religion is just another tribe.

All tribes have carrot and stick components to their ideology/theology.

Unfortunately, people are too dull for too long in maturing to live without many moral lessons, laws and examples.

You would not like to live without laws.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Dem bitches always b causing trouble fo U with Da Man

Why do you think they portray Satan as female?

Women, naturally, are the source of all evil, genetically speaking.

Women are the prize.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Adam never existed and neither did eve.
Tell us about that talking snake, immaculate conception and virgin births,
Resurrections???

Yet you expect us to believe you? Are you mad?

No, and you are correct, yet seem to have ignored all the harm the story has rendered to women and gays and why it should be questioned.

Oh well.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Actually the point is that man's greatest mistake is failing to take accountability.

Yet Christianity is promoting doing the same thing for salvation.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why are atheists so concerned about what Christians and Jews believe?

are they afraid of being lonely in Hell?

Not being an atheist, I cannot speak for them, but any good and moral person who is not concerned with the promotion of homophobia and misogyny by religions, is an immoral piece of garbage.

Hell is for the religious.

Moral people would not accept such an immoral place as real. We know justice and that is not it.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Yet Christianity is promoting doing the same thing for salvation.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

Don't be a Christian.

Or would you rather form a mob and kill you some Christians?

 

[GreatestIam]

Uh... I am not so sure you can make the case that people were wiser 2000 years ago by cherry-picking a few well educated people who had time to do something besides struggle for food and water and invent magical ideas to explain things. In fact, you highlight how many more educated and wise people we have today, and how much better the world is.

While one literalist fool exists to pollute the minds of the gullible, I will continue to make my case.

In the ancient days, people would not allow others to lie openly to people.

Today we do, and that makes a huge difference for the religious con artists.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Don't be a Christian.

Or would you rather form a mob and kill you some Christians?

Can't even keep track of an issue for one post.

Pathetic piece of garbage.

Regards
DL