Zone1 Adam & Eve were not the first humans created by God

[Hafar1014]

See post #3.

Its an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors

 

[Hafar1014]

That has always been my interpretation.

It seems that there was something different and special about adam and eve in particular.

Genesis is an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors. The concepts are very advanced considering the time they were written. Genesis describes evolution Man is created in Gods "likeness" that demand development evolution. God says " I will make man." After Adam eats the fruit from the tree of knowledge of morals he evolves and God says Let us make the man." Adam has passed the test for mans freedom showing free will and morals.

It states that man must have life with meaning and that this need is inherent. First God created the light not sunlight there was no sun. Its enlightenment the need for meaning in ones life. Nort explained until Vikto Frankl published Mans Search For Meaning. Who is the bearer of light? Lucifer. Christians desired both concepts
There is no original sin or fall of man.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I have offered Gov. DeSantis the solution. Stop the "humane" killing of the snakes. Kill them any way you can.

You're obsessed with snakes
I'm more concerned with invasive humans in Florida and the country than snakes

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That has always been my interpretation.

It seems that there was something different and special about adam and eve in particular.

Yes. Their creation brought civilization and all that it entails compared with a tribe of gorillas or baboons

 

[braalian]

The first woman was named, "Lilleth." Any Feminist can confirm.

According to the lore, her main sin was demanding to be on top when having sex with Adam.

Apparently that was a big no-no back then, so she had to go.

There was an unnamed second wife, after Lilith but before Eve. Adam witnessed her creation from scratch and, having seen all the bones, blood, sinew, viscera, etc that lies under the skin, wanted nothing to do with her despite the finished product being pretty enough.

So, wife #2 was discarded almost immediately, and God created Eve from Adam’s rib and all was well. Until that pesky snake…

 

[Hafar1014]

Genesis is an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors. The concepts are very advanced considering the time they were written. Genesis describes evolution Man is created in Gods "likeness" that demand development evolution. God says " I will make man." After Adam eats the fruit from the tree of knowledge of morals he evolves and God says Let us make the man." Adam has passed the test for mans freedom showing free will and morals.

It states that man must have life with meaning and that this need is inherent. First God created the light not sunlight there was no sun. Its enlightenment the need for meaning in ones life. Nort explained until Vikto Frankl published Mans Search For Meaning. Who is the bearer of light? Lucifer. Christians desired both concepts
There is no original sin or fall of man.

Frankl coined the term “existential vacuum” to describe the void of meaninglessness that was being experienced by so many people, especially students.​

He warned that this void would produce anxiety, depression, addiction, and even suicide. He believed that the ‘mechanistic’ institutional systems developed in the 20th century (governments, schools, corporations) contributed to the existential vacuum. The turning over of personal responsibility to these systems, which focus on external outputs and devalue humanness, had helped produce mass neurosis.

In numerous lecture tours to all parts of the world, Frankl expounded his ideas to professionals and laypersons alike. Inspired by his ideas, Logotherapy Institutes were created around the globe, offering training, therapy, and research in meaning-centered psychotherapy.

 

[DukeU]

Its an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors

Nope,

There is no need for them to have names if it were just a story. Any time the Bible refers to "a certain man", "a certain woman" or calls them by name, they were real people.

Adam and Eve were the first humans created.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Genesis is an allegory Adam and Eve are metaphors. The concepts are very advanced considering the time they were written. Genesis describes evolution Man is created in Gods "likeness" that demand development evolution. God says " I will make man." After Adam eats the fruit from the tree of knowledge of morals he evolves and God says Let us make the man." Adam has passed the test for mans freedom showing free will and morals.

It states that man must have life with meaning and that this need is inherent. First God created the light not sunlight there was no sun. Its enlightenment the need for meaning in ones life. Nort explained until Vikto Frankl published Mans Search For Meaning. Who is the bearer of light? Lucifer. Christians desired both concepts
There is no original sin or fall of man.

The idea that there were a kind of proto-humans created before Adam and Eve is an attempt to see the Bible as being internally consistent, not to see the Bible as scientifically valid. Without previously existing humans, how could there have been people for Cain to mix with after being banished?

I understand your idea about Genesis as metaphor. You presented it well.

So, let me ask you this, with respect:

Is your belief that the story of Genesis is metaphorical based on faith or based on some combination of reason, science, archeology, and history, etc.?

If the former - if your church teaches the metaphor doctrine, or if you feel that God put it in your heart to believe in a metaphorical interprettation of Genesis - I have no way to dispute that belief, and I am glad you have a faith that gives you comfort, nor would I want to.

If the latter, my question is this:

Why bother with the Bible at all, if your guide is reason, science, archeology, and history?

Why not just say "humans evolved, and any religious text that states otherwise is wrong?" Why not just say, "There's no way the universe was created in 6 days, nor was the universe ever geocentric as described in the Bible."

Why the effort to come up with intperpretations in which the Bible means something different than the Bible says it means, like "a 'day' meant a billion years," or "The 'serpent" was not real. Serpents cannot talk, duh! But, what it really means is . . . "

If God is all-powerful, then nothing in Genesis is beyond His ability. If God is more like a Roman or Greek God with limited powers, who could shape and guide human evolution, but not simply create humans out of earth, then you are worshipping a much different diety than most Bible believers.

Which is fine, of course.

But why bother with the Bible, if the Bible is just flat wrong?

 

[Hafar1014]

The idea that there were a kind of proto-humans created before Adam and Eve is an attempt to see the Bible as being internally consistent, not to see the Bible as scientifically valid. Without previously existing humans, how could there have been people for Cain to mix with after being banished?

I understand your idea about Genesis as metaphor. You presented it well.

So, let me ask you this, with respect:

Is your belief that the story of Genesis is metaphorical based on faith or based on some combination of reason, science, archeology, and history, etc.?

If the former - if your church teaches the metaphor doctrine, or if you feel that God put it in your heart to believe in a metaphorical interprettation of Genesis - I have no way to dispute that belief, and I am glad you have a faith that gives you comfort, nor would I want to.

If the latter, my question is this:

Why bother with the Bible at all, if your guide is reason, science, archeology, and history?

Why not just say "humans evolved, and any religious text that states otherwise is wrong?" Why not just say, "There's no way the universe was created in 6 days, nor was the universe ever geocentric as described in the Bible."

Why the effort to come up with intperpretations in which the Bible means something different than the Bible says it means, like "a 'day' meant a billion years," or "The 'serpent" was not real. Serpents cannot talk, duh! But, what it really means is . . . "

If God is all-powerful, then nothing in Genesis is beyond His ability. If God is more like a Roman or Greek God with limited powers, who could shape and guide human evolution, but not simply create humans out of earth, then you are worshipping a much different diety than most Bible believers.

Which is fine, of course.

But why bother with the Bible, if the Bible is just flat wrong?

Genesis is an allegory Adam is the metaphor as well as the serpent, that describes, in my opinion, very advanced concepts of evolution morality free will and psychology.
The serpent from Hebrew folklore is the metaphor for guile and does have the power of speech.

The Pentateuch was the only way to express these beliefs. There was no science or peer reviewed journals to publish in. Its based on insight and wisdom far ahead of its time.

Evolution describes adaptability by fecundity. It doesnt describe mans inherent need to discover the meaning in his life. God created the light before the sun. Its enlightenment not sunlight. Mans search for meaning. It doesnt describe moral values.
It isnt a valid statement to claim the Pentateuch is wrong. The concept cant apply. You can question the message. Man evolved and has free will that demands moral values. The message is God doesnt control us He empowers us to do that and if we screw up we pay the price. Youre using a Christian interpretation that is not correct.
there is no original sin or fall of man or a devil in the work.

What other way did they have to express it

Leviticus is Civil law. Genesis is what Im referring to. There are 5 separate books.

 

[BothWings]

You're obsessed with snakes
I'm more concerned with invasive humans in Florida and the country than snakes

Let the snakes kill and eat humans....then kill the snakes. Two for the price of one, and no murder charge for simply killing dangerous wild animals!

 

[Woodznutz]

You're obsessed with snakes
I'm more concerned with invasive humans in Florida and the country than snakes

I've been to the Everglades. I'd hate to see it destroyed by the incompetence regarding these snakes.

 

[Woodznutz]

According to the lore, her main sin was demanding to be on top when having sex with Adam.

That's the best way for both, imo.

 

[Woodznutz]

Let the snakes kill and eat humans....then kill the snakes. Two for the price of one, and no murder charge for simply killing dangerous wild animals!

Well, there are humans that should be fed to the snakes. I refer in these vague terms to...Democrats.

 

[BothWings]

Well, there are humans that should be fed to the snakes. I refer in these vague terms to...Democrats.

The snakes who eat themselves tail-first.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

According to the lore, her main sin was demanding to be on top when having sex with Adam.

Apparently that was a big no-no back then, so she had to go.

There was an unnamed second wife, after Lilith but before Eve. Adam witnessed her creation from scratch and, having seen all the bones, blood, sinew, viscera, etc that lies under the skin, wanted nothing to do with her despite the finished product being pretty enough.

So, wife #2 was discarded almost immediately, and God created Eve from Adam’s rib and all was well. Until that pesky snake…

IF "she" was real, she was a demon. This is more Jewish mythology, not Scripture. The people who flock to this myth -- mostly God hating feminists -- love the REBELLION of the myth. It is satan inspired

 

[braalian]

IF "she" was real, she was a demon. This is more Jewish mythology, not Scripture. The people who flock to this myth -- mostly God hating feminists -- love the REBELLION of the myth. It is satan inspired

I mean, they’re ALL myths

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I mean, they’re ALL myths

You'd like to believe that. But in a few years you'll know

 

[braalian]

You'd like to believe that. But in a few years you'll know

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You saying I’m going to die in a few years?

You’re privy to such divine info?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Genesis is an allegory Adam is the metaphor as well as the serpent, that describes, in my opinion, very advanced concepts of evolution morality free will and psychology.
The serpent from Hebrew folklore is the metaphor for guile and does have the power of speech.

How can a metaphor have the power of speech? Either there was a serpent talking to Eve, or there was not.

The Pentateuch was the only way to express these beliefs.

That's a false statement, just on it's face, even if someone had never heard of the the Pentateuch or the Bible. There is never only one way to express anything.

There was no science or peer reviewed journals to publish in. Its based on insight and wisdom far ahead of its time.

That sounds very much like reverse engineering, or maybe "post-event prophesy" if you will.

Interpret the Bible to line up with modern conventional wisdome and then give credit to the bible for it's prescience.

Evolution describes adaptability by fecundity. It doesnt describe mans inherent need to discover the meaning in his life. God created the light before the sun. Its enlightenment not sunlight. Mans search for meaning. It doesnt describe moral values.
It isnt a valid statement to claim the Pentateuch is wrong. The concept cant apply.

If the Pentateuch cannot be wrong, then it cannot be right. So, again, why bother with it?

Unless it is based on faith.

You can question the message. Man evolved and has free will that demands moral values.

Free will is the message of the Bible. Evolution is absolutely not the message, unless you are also interpretting evolution to mean something else.

The message is God doesnt control us He empowers us to do that and if we screw up we pay the price.

Yes, the Bible makes that very, very clear multiple times.

Youre using a Christian interpretation that is not correct.
there is no original sin or fall of man or a devil in the work.

In the Bible? Of course there is. In the Pentateuch specifically? Sin and fall of man is one of the first major events in the history of humanity in the Pentateuch. Satan is first mentioned in the Book of Numbers.

Maybe the Book of Numbers is wrong and there is no Satan. If so, throw it out. Why try to "save" it by interpretting it to mean what it does not say?

What other way did they have to express it

"Over the course of millions of years, under the eye/guidance/power of God, humans evolved from the lower animals and developed a free will."

If the Bible said that, long before humans started theorizing evolution based on fossils, then it would have been a document far ahead of its time. If the Bible and its writers knew they meant evolution, why not simply say so?

 

[Woodznutz]

IF "she" was real, she was a demon. This is more Jewish mythology, not Scripture. The people who flock to this myth -- mostly God hating feminists -- love the REBELLION of the myth. It is satan inspired

Apparently, the Jews brought a lot of that stuff back from Babylon.