Abortion is murder

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What does that have to do with anything, you crazy loon? I'm not making a faith argument. I am making a scientific argument. Why do you deny science?

P.S. Thanks for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first ones to reject it.

Your penchant for personal insults aside, you're lying again since you did make a faith-based argument with me earlier in the thread by asking about my faith in God. You know, right before you dodged the question about your dislike of our military.

Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

Yes, I do. In fact, I've had a near death experience. It was a pivotal moment in my life. One that caused me to consider the "bigger" things in life and try to forget the intolerant, bullying ***** that seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

...I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites. You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"...

My goodness, you sure do get emotional about your beliefs. That is exactly what we would expect to see from someone who has had his religion attacked. The reality is that the only one who has acted irrationally is you. Why? Because science proves you wrong and because you cannot face your incongruity. You could have just as easily admitted that human life does begin at conception but that you still supported a woman's right to end the life of her baby. But you won't do that because you don't want to admit that you support doing something wrong. So instead you have rationalized that wrong is right. Look, we both know it is wrong because women agonize over making these decisions. So instead of getting all high and mighty because I spoke the truth and called you out on rationalizing your support of something that is wrong as really being right, you could just man up to the fact that it is wrong but that you still support a woman's choice. Then we could move on to the next discussion and you just might finsd what I had to say more agreeable to what you believe. But I will not rationalize that ending a human life is good.

Ahh, proof that you are soft on "screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them". Interesting.

Did you make a career in the military? If not, then you must be a military-hating liberal. Another reason not only to distrust you, but to prove you are not the tolerant, rational person you believe yourself to be. A second reason is because you are just like PC.

Don't trust me. I couldn't care less. Don't like me? I couldn't care less about that either. Now, why is it that you don't believe human life begins at conception? Is it because you have not been reading the overwhelming scientific evidence? Is it because you don't believe in DNA which proves a new human being is created at conception?

 

[Campbell]

I 'm well aware of the Hoover recession. You seem to have forgotten that if we had not slipped $780 billion to the banks at the end of George W. Bush's years they would have completely failed again. Two hot wars and a recession.....about par for Republicans.

The Roosevelt Depression has nothing to do with the post.

Clean off your specs, old timer....

Here, again is the proof of the the corruption of the Court:

The Constitution states: “No State shall . . . pass any . . . Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts. . ..”

Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise. American statists and collectivists won the Blaisdell case, which helped to open the floodgates on laws, rules, and regulations at the state level governing economic activity in America. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.

You my friend sound exactly like the continuous stream of bull shit coming from Faux News.

I honor the Constitution...you honor the NYTimes.
And yet another difference between us...I never use profanity.

Do you thump your bible too? You sound like one of those birds who believes in ghosts and worships ancient gods.

What is it that you're attempting to show your pride in?

Ignorance?

Disrespect for America and the Constitution?

Some sort of sneering disapproval of the religion of our Founders?

Proud of being low-class scum?

All of the above?

Screw anyone who believes a 2000 year old fairy tale about god having a son.

About my class.....I worked 41 years for a prime contractor for DOE, the last 28 as director of operations in one of the largest government mainframe computing centers in the United States. 22 years ago I retired to a four BR brick basement rancher with a 220 ft. lake frontage. My wife and I draw about $8,000 a month from our pensions and social security. Now you can take your "Hereafter" and stuff it.

These are my heroes:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding."
~Thomas Jefferson~
(excerpt from a letter he wrote to John Adams)

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
~Dr. Albert Einstein~
(excerpt from his obituary)

 

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The Roosevelt Depression has nothing to do with the post.

Clean off your specs, old timer....

Here, again is the proof of the the corruption of the Court:

The Constitution states: “No State shall . . . pass any . . . Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts. . ..”

Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise. American statists and collectivists won the Blaisdell case, which helped to open the floodgates on laws, rules, and regulations at the state level governing economic activity in America. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.

You my friend sound exactly like the continuous stream of bull shit coming from Faux News.

I honor the Constitution...you honor the NYTimes.
And yet another difference between us...I never use profanity.

Do you thump your bible too? You sound like one of those birds who believes in ghosts and worships ancient gods.

What is it that you're attempting to show your pride in?

Ignorance?

Disrespect for America and the Constitution?

Some sort of sneering disapproval of the religion of our Founders?

Proud of being low-class scum?

All of the above?

Screw anyone who believes a 2000 year old fairy tale about god having a son.

About my class.....I worked 41 years for a prime contractor for DOE, the last 28 as director of operations in one of the largest mainframe computing centers in the United States. 22 years ago I retired to a four BR brick basement rancher with a 220 ft. lake frontage. My wife and I draw about $8,000 a month from our pensions and social security. Now you can take your "Hereafter" and stuff it.

These are my heroes:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding."
~Thomas Jefferson~
(excerpt from a letter he wrote to John Adams)

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
~Dr. Albert Einstein~
(excerpt from his obituary)

Good for you. Seriously. You seem like an intelligent bloke. Putting religion and faith aside. From a purely scientific standard, when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams



And so it ends.

 

[Mudda]

Just curious, how do you propose forcing women to carry babies to term?

Who said I am? Do you think abortion ends a human life?

Just curious, how do you propose forcing women to carry babies to term?

Who said I am? Do you think abortion ends a human life?

Are you ready to outlaw abortion?

That depends on your answer to my questions. Do you believe that a human life begins at conception and do you believe it is wrong to end a human life?

I asked the question first. Are you afraid to answer?

No. Go back and re-read the thread. You didn't. I did. On a side note, I currently have three discussions going on in this thread, one is with a psychopath stalker, another is with a crazy loon who is all over the map and the third one is with a troll who is seeking self pleasure. I find it oddly disturbing that out of the three conversations, the one with you is the most healthy. It appears that we have gone through the looking glass, Alice. Do you mind if I call you Alice, Alice? Man I crack myself up sometimes.

Hey! At least we're not invisible, because then you'd have to obey us as well.

 

[Mudda]

when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

 

[ding]

Who said I am? Do you think abortion ends a human life?

Who said I am? Do you think abortion ends a human life?

Are you ready to outlaw abortion?

That depends on your answer to my questions. Do you believe that a human life begins at conception and do you believe it is wrong to end a human life?

I asked the question first. Are you afraid to answer?

No. Go back and re-read the thread. You didn't. I did. On a side note, I currently have three discussions going on in this thread, one is with a psychopath stalker, another is with a crazy loon who is all over the map and the third one is with a troll who is seeking self pleasure. I find it oddly disturbing that out of the three conversations, the one with you is the most healthy. It appears that we have gone through the looking glass, Alice. Do you mind if I call you Alice, Alice? Man I crack myself up sometimes.

Hey! At least we're not invisible, because then you'd have to obey us as well.

Well... I don't know that you aren't invisible. I have never seen you. Can you prove that you exist?

 

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when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

 

[Mudda]

when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

 

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when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

That is totally against what science teaches.

 

[BreezeWood]

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Now, why is it that you don't believe human life begins at conception?

the point people are trying to make with you is that all life begins at conception, or is there a difference with you ...

.

 

[Divine Wind]

Don't trust me. I couldn't care less. Don't like me? I couldn't care less about that either. Now, why is it that you don't believe human life begins at conception? Is it because you have not been reading the overwhelming scientific evidence? Is it because you don't believe in DNA which proves a new human being is created at conception?

Another lie since you are responding, it's obvious you do care. If you really didn't care, you'd ignore me. LOL

Human life does begin at conception. That's another frequent lie you tell about me. I don't trust habitual liars and you, sir, are a habitual liar as I've proved over and over again for the past two days.

I answered your question about God, why won't you answer mine about why you hate our country so much you refused to serve in the military to defend our Constitution? If you are a spineless coward or simply hate the military, at least that would be a honest answer.

 

[Divine Wind]

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Now, why is it that you don't believe human life begins at conception?

the point people are trying to make with you is that all life begins at conception, or is there a difference with you ...

.

Agreed, but it's a lie he keeps pushing. I've agreed with him several times about this point then asked him to prove a zygote is a human being. He dodges the answer (just like he dodges questions about his dislike of the US military) then goes back to falsely accusing those who disagree with him for not being "scientific" and not believing human life begins at conception. Like PC, I think he's a bit of a whackadoodle....which would explain why he couldn't get in the military even if he tried.

 

[Mudda]

when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

That is totally against what science teaches.

As well, spontaneous abortion and stillbirth... are part of nature.

 

[Divine Wind]

when does DNA tell us when a new human being is created?

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

That is totally against what science teaches.

As well, spontaneous abortion and stillbirth... are part of nature.

God = Nature. Just sayin'.

 

[Mudda]

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

That is totally against what science teaches.

As well, spontaneous abortion and stillbirth... are part of nature.

God = Nature. Just sayin'.

You know I'm going to want you to prove that, don't you?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What does that have to do with anything, you crazy loon? I'm not making a faith argument. I am making a scientific argument. Why do you deny science?

P.S. Thanks for proving my point that atheists worship science but are the first ones to reject it.

Your penchant for personal insults aside, you're lying again since you did make a faith-based argument with me earlier in the thread by asking about my faith in God. You know, right before you dodged the question about your dislike of our military.

Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

Yes, I do. In fact, I've had a near death experience. It was a pivotal moment in my life. One that caused me to consider the "bigger" things in life and try to forget the intolerant, bullying ***** that seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

...I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites. You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"...

My goodness, you sure do get emotional about your beliefs. That is exactly what we would expect to see from someone who has had his religion attacked. The reality is that the only one who has acted irrationally is you. Why? Because science proves you wrong and because you cannot face your incongruity. You could have just as easily admitted that human life does begin at conception but that you still supported a woman's right to end the life of her baby. But you won't do that because you don't want to admit that you support doing something wrong. So instead you have rationalized that wrong is right. Look, we both know it is wrong because women agonize over making these decisions. So instead of getting all high and mighty because I spoke the truth and called you out on rationalizing your support of something that is wrong as really being right, you could just man up to the fact that it is wrong but that you still support a woman's choice. Then we could move on to the next discussion and you just might finsd what I had to say more agreeable to what you believe. But I will not rationalize that ending a human life is good.

Ahh, proof that you are soft on "screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them". Interesting.

Did you make a career in the military? If not, then you must be a military-hating liberal. Another reason not only to distrust you, but to prove you are not the tolerant, rational person you believe yourself to be. A second reason is because you are just like PC.

Don't trust me. I couldn't care less. Don't like me? I couldn't care less about that either. Now, why is it that you don't believe human life begins at conception? Is it because you have not been reading the overwhelming scientific evidence? Is it because you don't believe in DNA which proves a new human being is created at conception?

One is not a person at conception, however – remember that the thread’s failed premise is that abortion is ‘murder,’ a legal concept, where as a fact of law abortion is not ‘murder, and as a fact of law an embryo/fetus is not entitled to Constitutional protections.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No, it isn't. Abortion is akin to removing a cancerous tumor. It has all the markers and DNA of a sentient independent human being. But it ISN'T, a undeveloped fetus is just a mass of cells. Just like cancer cells. Do cancer cells have the same religious right to life, too? They are just as human and god created them, too. This is silly. And, god let Jesus die on the cross, his only begotten son. God dosen't seem to have problem killing his son. Um, what do we mortals take away from THAT?

Science tells us otherwise.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner,

You may post this as often as you like, it doesn’t change the fact that abortion is not ‘murder.’

You’re at liberty to believe that abortion is the immoral taking of a human life, but it is not the illegal taking of a person’s life.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Words have meaning, even if you don't understand them...

murder the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

Abortion is not unlawful; therefore, abortion is not murder.

What do you call it when one human being premeditatedly takes the life of another human life? And before you give me some legal mumbo jumbo, let me remind you that SCOTUS has ruled that slaves were property to be disposed of at the will of their owners.

Someone executed on death row has their life premeditatedly taken by another human being.

That's not murder either.

It is to me. You got anything else?

Don't need anything else as it doesn't matter what it means to you.

Words have meaning.

Murder is the unlawful taking of another human being's life.

Abortion, in cases where it's legal -- is not murder. And it doesn't become murder because some morons want to call it that.

I see. You are a moral relativist. As long as it is lawful, you are ok with it. Slavery was lawful at one time too. Had you been around back then would you stll have the same opinion. I mean after all, SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property to be disposed of at the will of their owners.

Wrong.

Again, this fails as a false comparison fallacy.

Those subject to slavery were persons, an embryo/fetus is not a person.

 

[Campbell]

It doesn't. Now you know.

Ok, then. The answer to your question is moot.

When do you believe a human being is created if it is not when he meets the scientific definition of life and has the DNA of a unique and distinct human being that has never existed before and will never exist again?

When it's born. Until then, I believe that's what's known as a fetus. Is it not?

That is totally against what science teaches.

As well, spontaneous abortion and stillbirth... are part of nature.

God = Nature. Just sayin'.

Actually god is the antithesis of nature. If one does what comes naturally they will be doomed to hell fire: