Abolish Welfare......Except For The Truly Needy

[Bonnie]

ABOLISH WELFARE
EXCEPT FOR THE DISABLED WHO CAN'T WORK

By: Gordon Bishop


Let’s call it "The Jesus Doctrine."

Jesus told his followers to become self-reliant, self-sufficient.

Jesus wanted his followers to be able to feed themselves and not depend on him to miraculously produce the fish for their survival.

Jesus taught his followers how to fish – and they became self-sufficient once they learned how to catch fish for themselves.

Jesus, as the New Testament tell us, took care of the needy, those incapable of fending for themselves. That’s the Judeo-Christian ethic: Help those who can’t help themselves, like the blind, the physically disabled, or mentally incapacitated.

Jesus never envisioned for humankind a massive government "Welfare State" where working taxpayers would subsidize those who did not work.

Along came Karl Marx in the 1900s and undid some 2,000 years of self-reliance for the able-bodied population. Marx offered the world a different agenda for the human race: Redistribution of wealth.

Immediately, Marx created two classes of human beings: The workers and those capable of working but preferring to live off the largess of others.

Human societies were never the same again.

What Marx did was to create a whole population that became dependent on centralized governments to take care of them the rest of their lives.




Today, America is a Marxist "Welfare State" with millions of able-bodied citizens getting paid not to work.

Centralized government, especially in the USA, finally saw the folly of Marxist social welfare programs and decided to do something about it. That "something" was called "Welfare Reform" – or the spending of billions of dollars to transition the nonworkers into productive workers.

The biggest problem remains: Those healthy, able-bodied still on welfare because they have so many illegitimate children they can’t work.

Now we have an illegitimate society of children born out of wedlock, primarily in Urban America, where three out of four babies have no legitimate fathers to work and take care of them. It’s up to centralized government (that’s the taxpayers) to take care of them.

The irresponsibility of these so-called "mothers" and "fathers" is just the opposite of Jesus’ teachings some 2,000 years ago.

Some fiscal reformers have proposed sterilizing females who have more than three illegitimate offspring.

"Can’t do that," according to the hard-left American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), itself a by-product of Marxism.

Why not?

Because these baby-producing females also have their "rights," although what they’re doing is damaging themselves, their children, and society.

The solution to all of this is education, just like Jesus did at the dawn of Christianity. Teaching the lost souls the fundamentals of self-sufficiency.

That’s difficult to do in a Marxist or socialist society, where redistribution of income is the great leveler. We’re all equal. We all make the same amount of money, whether some people work eight hours a day, or 18 hours a day. It doesn’t matter.

Marxist equality for all. The start of societal self-destruction.

As long as the Marxist socialist politicians and their socialist governments prevail, there will never be true welfare reform. The lazy, the indifferent, the ignorant will continue to take advantage of the flawed "Marxist economic system" that has taken over America, the Peoples Republic of China, Cuba, and even the old Soviet Union that collapsed several years ago following President Reagan’s victory over an "evil empire" that slaughtered tens of millions of its own citizens.

America needs another generation of "founding fathers" (who created this great Constitutional Republic over 200 years ago) to undo the damage done by more than 75 years of Marxist socialism in America, beginning with President Franklin Roosevelt’s "New Deal."

As our founders would say, "God Bless America." (Jesus would like that.)



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[Shattered]

I like my idea of welfare reform. 6 months, and you're off. Period. If you have kids WHILE you're on welfare, you're off. Period.

During this 6 month period, you're required to search for a job. You're also required to take any job offered to you. If you refuse, you're off. Period.

There's much more detail involved, but that's the gist of it.

 

[Bonnie]

I like my idea of welfare reform. 6 months, and you're off. Period. If you have kids WHILE you're on welfare, you're off. Period.

During this 6 month period, you're required to search for a job. You're also required to take any job offered to you. If you refuse, you're off. Period.

There's much more detail involved, but that's the gist of it.

I think that plan sounds very reasonable! Probably the only good thing Clinton did as President was welfare reform, even though he was strong armed into, and it doesn't nearly go far enough, it's a start.

 

[Shattered]

I can see where we can't *totally* abolish welfare, because some good, hardworking people *do* lose their jobs for reasons beyond their control. They'll need *some* help. But it's the "others" that ruin it for everyone else.

I also don't think welfare recipients should be handed cash, or checks in *any* form whatsoever. Bills should be paid right to the utility companies, and landlords.. Foodstamps should cease to exist - you should have a plastic card, with a certain alottment on it, which is only good in *grocery* stores (the one closest to your house, in particular), and should only be good on certain items (one doesn't *need* soda and potato chips on welfare - one DOES need cereal, eggs, milk, etc.). No change back from any remaining amount.

There's so much we could be doing to cut down on abuse.. Instead, we're just handing cash over, and funding their gambling sessions.

 

[Said1]

I also don't think welfare recipients should be handed cash, or checks in *any* form whatsoever. Bills should be paid right to the utility companies, and landlords.. Foodstamps should cease to exist - you should have a plastic card, with a certain alottment on it, which is only good in *grocery* stores (the one closest to your house, in particular), and should only be good on certain items (one doesn't *need* soda and potato chips on welfare - one DOES need cereal, eggs, milk, etc.). No change back from any remaining amount.

Actually, similar things like that are in effect in Ontario. No foods stamps, only vouchers used at certain stores, no cash, limits on products ect. Direct payment for rent and bills is optional, and required under certain progams like diability and geared to income housing. I agree with time limits, but I also think short term social progams are so unsuccessful because they don't recognize the fact that people who have been living off the system for so long, often lack basic life skills. Those things have to be learned along with operating a cash register.

 

[Bonnie]

Said 1

I agree with time limits, but I also think short term social progams are so unsuccessful because they don't recognize the fact that people who have been living off the system for so long, often lack basic life skills. Those things have to be learned along with operating a cash register

I see your point, however sometimes the best learning about life you can do is adapt to the here and now quickly.
It's a shame that it has come to this in the first place. Our socialisitic government programs have created the very thing the creators claimed would not happen.....A whole group of dependent people and their offspring.

 

[Shattered]

Actually, similar things like that are in effect in Ontario. No foods stamps, only vouchers used at certain stores, no cash, limits on products ect. Direct payment for rent and bills is optional, and required under certain progams like diability and geared to income housing. I agree with time limits, but I also think short term social progams are so unsuccessful because they don't recognize the fact that people who have been living off the system for so long, often lack basic life skills. Those things have to be learned along with operating a cash register.

Here, at one point, they had "classes", or meetings that recipients had to attend before being eligible for benefits, and while receiving them..It was a 6 week course, which met something like 3x a week, I think.. (I can't find the articles on it anymore) They showed you how to handle a job interview, how to *look* for a job, how to fill out a standard application, as well as a few other things..(lose the baggy pants, tie your shoes, shower, shave..) For some reason, I'm thinking those are no longer in place. Sounds like Canada's actually on the right track - maybe there's a lesson we could take from them for once... Our program sure as hell needs help. Not to mention, it needs welfare workers that actually give a shit - right now, there are NONE.

Not to be stereotypical, but our welfare workers are *mostly* large, angry black women who used to be on welfare themselves, and fully believe they shouldn't have to work for their money. The world is against them *because* they're large, angry black women. They're most often found sitting behind 2" thick glass drinking soda, and talking to friends.

 

[Said1]

I see your point, however sometimes the best learning about life you can do is adapt to the here and now quickly.
It's a shame that it has come to this in the first place. Our socialisitic government programs have created the very thing the creators claimed would not happen.....A whole group of dependent people and their offspring.

Workfare progams are much more successful than re-education programs simply because you get on the job experience, and guidence while on the job, that's describes what I'm getting at a little better.

 

[Bonnie]

Workfare progams are much more successful than re-education programs simply because you get on the job experience, and guidence while on the job, that's describes what I'm getting at a little better.

Makes sense because it's more immediate. What kind of work programs are in place where you are?

 

[Said1]

Here, at one point, they had "classes", or meetings that recipients had to attend before being eligible for benefits, and while receiving them..It was a 6 week course, which met something like 3x a week, I think.. (I can't find the articles on it anymore) They showed you how to handle a job interview, how to *look* for a job, how to fill out a standard application, as well as a few other things..(lose the baggy pants, tie your shoes, shower, shave..) For some reason, I'm thinking those are no longer in place. Sounds like Canada's actually on the right track - maybe there's a lesson we could take from them for once... Our program sure as hell needs help. Not to mention, it needs welfare workers that actually give a shit - right now, there are NONE.

That's more or less what I mean, or go directly to a job placement and be at the mercey of your supervisor.

I work for community social program, and they like to start working with kids, but unfortunatly they wind up with kids, and their babies. It's an amazingly successful program, but they realize it takes time to get people out of the system for good. I work at the last stage, when the women actually go to work at their placements. In six years, I only know of one that went back on welfare.

 

[Bonnie]

Shattered

Not to be stereotypical, but our welfare workers are *mostly* large, angry black women who used to be on welfare themselves, and fully believe they shouldn't have to work for their money. The world is against them *because* they're large, angry black women. They're most often found sitting behind 2" thick glass drinking soda, and talking to friends.

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LOL I think I have encountered some of those ladies here as well. I try not to make them angrier

 

[Said1]

Makes sense because it's more immediate. What kind of work programs are in place where you are?

Who ever will accept you. There are certain sectors where there is a shortage of labor right now, and they try to encourage that, but it's up to you and the company you contact in the end.

 

[Shattered]

That's more or less what I mean, or go directly to a job placement and be at the mercey of your supervisor.

I work for community social program, and they like to start working kids, but unfortunatly they wind up with kids, and their babies. It's an amazingly successful program, but they realize it takes time to get people out of the system for good. I work at the last stage, when the women actually go to work at their placements. In six years, I only know of one that went back on welfare.

If someone is actually showing promise, I'd have no problem leaving them in the program for longer than 6 months.. Hell.. I'd even hire them. People do learn at different rates... It's the people that look at it as a free ride that irritate the ever living hell out of me.

 

[Bonnie]

I have visited job centers here in which volunteers collect work clothing, suits, bouses, etc that are donated by other working women, and subsequently given to those coming off welfare rolls to start their new jobs. You could see such a change in these women when they started taking pride in knowing they would be earning their own money.

 

[Shattered]

I have visited job centers here in which volunteers collect work clothing, suits, bouses, etc that are donated by other working women, and subsequently given to those coming off welfare rolls to start their new jobs. You could see such a change in these women when they started taking pride in knowing they would be earning their own money.

THAT is an outstanding idea.. I wonder if that would work here... Hell.. Just the upgrade in clothes should have them feeling good enough about themselves to *want* to go farther...

 

[Said1]

If someone is actually showing promise, I'd have no problem leaving them in the program for longer than 6 months.. Hell.. I'd even hire them. People do learn at different rates... It's the people that look at it as a free ride that irritate the ever living hell out of me.

That's the hole point of the program. It's a mind set, usually passed down to them from their parents, and so on. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these girls can barely read and write, it's sad. The center I work for addresses that, and everything else. It takes about three years to go through the entire family support program, but like I said, most of these girls stay off welfare in the end.

 

[MJDuncan1982]

Foodstamps should cease to exist - you should have a plastic card, with a certain alottment on it, which is only good in *grocery* stores (the one closest to your house, in particular), and should only be good on certain items (one doesn't *need* soda and potato chips on welfare - one DOES need cereal, eggs, milk, etc.). No change back from any remaining amount.

That's pretty much how it already works. Most people use an EBT card than can only be used for perishable good items and they get no change back. It's like a check card. And they are pretty specific and strict about it - one example is that you can buy fish on the EBT card but if you are going to have it fried, you must pay the frying charge in cash.

 

[Avatar4321]

My opinion is that government shouldnt be in the job of welfare. That should be left up to private charitable organizations and Churches. Government can certainly encourage these activities but i really dont think government should be doing it directly. its just too inefficient.

If the government has to provide welfare, it shouldnt be a hand out. There should be some sort of work involved. Community service, going to a jobs program to get better skills, there should be some sort active process to better themselves to get off the program. That way they wont look at welfare as a hand out they deserve, but as the gift it should be.

 

[Shattered]

I'm still stuck in the mindset that if I can pull myself away from that (both sides of my family were/are that way) as a teenager, then anyone else can if they really want to.. Then again, I'm pretty hard on myself, so... But hey, whatever gets them off, and keeps them off is going to be better for them in the long run, and hopefully they'll come away passing that knowledge down, and expecting more from their own kids.

I don't think we could start with something like a 3 year program.. 95% of the welfare population here would look at it as a 3 year ride. I think we need more drastic measures like the 6 month thing.. Anyone that's on welfare and can't support themselves has no business bringing more children in to this world.. We can't force them to get their tubes tied, but we can sure as hell not hand them even more money for screwing up (mostly intentionally, since they know more children equals more money)..

 

[Shattered]

That's pretty much how it already works. Most people use an EBT card than can only be used for perishable good items and they get no change back. It's like a check card. And they are pretty specific and strict about it - one example is that you can buy fish on the EBT card but if you are going to have it fried, you must pay the frying charge in cash.

Damn. We must be the only state left that supports Free Rides For All just for the asking.