Sonc
Silver Member
The usual propaganda.Don’t forget about Russia’s invasion and occupation of Crimea
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
The usual propaganda.Don’t forget about Russia’s invasion and occupation of Crimea
Historically Easter part of Ukraine has been a part of Russia for more that ten (!) centuries (when nobody has even heard about USA yet!).
As usual, our Russian friends think that their parallel reality has something to do with our sinful world. In our reality the Eastern and Southern parts of contemporary Ukraine (so-called Novorossiya) became parts of the Russian Empire in the second half of 18th century.
For those who may be interested in the theme here is a link
Novorossiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ukraine wants to join the EU. It will be good for you, because according to EU laws : you free use of the native language.
ESay, nice to hear it’s the only thing you disagree with. Seems like there occurred a shift in your pro-Ukrainian brain after living in a country, totally controlled from Washington, for the last two years. You are not alone though. More and more people in uk-Ruin start realizing: promised “beautiful European future” was only the cheese in a mousetrap. Wasn’t Poroshenko’s presidential promise “To live in a different way”? Well, nobody can even accuse him in lying: he has never mentioned that “different way” will be incomparably worse than life with overthrown president Yanukovich.
Looks like new Ukrainian reality keeps helping the people (both inside and outside the country) to realize that Ukrainian “democracy” has got a pretty darn ugly face….
Interesting fact.
One of the Ukrainian officials who was interviewed in the film, has resigned. A few days ago.
The reason - the corruption that does not allow work.
The usual propaganda.Don’t forget about Russia’s invasion and occupation of Crimea
It would be better if more and more people begin to realize that “beautiful European future” depends on them in first turn.
And the usual happy endingThe usual propaganda.Don’t forget about Russia’s invasion and occupation of Crimea
I explained it in my post #15 of this thread.I don't get it. Crimea was part of Russia (Empire or Soviet Republic) from 1783 to 1954. In an administrative shuffle, it was placed under the Ukrainian Soviet Republic when Ukraine was basically a state in the Soviet Union in 1954. Did the people of Crimea suddenly change and become Ukrainian in 1954 or were they generally the same people that they were before Crimea was passed to Ukraine. If the people are generally the same people, why all the ruckus about the people of Crimea wanting to be part of Russia?
It would be better if more and more people begin to realize that “beautiful European future” depends on them in first turn.
I just wonder, what do you think depends on you personally? Since Ukraine proclaimed itself “independent” nothing really depends on the ordinary people there, that’s unfortunately true.
Edward Hodos, a Jewish writer from Kharkov [Eastern Ukraine] predicted the coup of 2014 in one of his books which was published in 2003 (if I’m not mistaken. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact name of that book now, it may be easy to Google). And not because he was a clairvoyant, not at all. As a Jew he was invited to a meeting with other foreign Jews and Ukrainians from the USA, which took place in Kharkov even before the USSR had collapsed. And those foreigners (!) were describing the future coup and discussing how to pull it off. The fate of Ukraine was already sealed right there. And current total control from Washington only proves it.
Don’t flatter yourself, ESay, Washington does not care about your comfortable life in Ukraine or about your “beautiful European future”. It has much better thoughts on how to use Ukraine:
- For keeping it as a decisive pawn. A tactical pawn to contain Putin’s ambitions.
Ukraine, masks of the revolution
- To take an advantage of the natural resources of Ukraine.
Behind Washington’s Demonization Of Putin: Graft For Hunter Biden, Shaft For Collaboration On Iran & Syria
And when the time comes, Washington will flash “democratic” Ukraine and all its people into the toilet without any hesitation. Unless the USA elects a smart, decent and independent person for a President before that happens. It’s one or the other, regardless if you like it or not.
Ukraine wants to join the EU. It will be good for you, because according to EU laws : you free use of the native language.
Don’t you think it would make a lot more sense for historical Russian lands to go back to Russia to have an opportunity to speak Russian (just like Crimea has done in 2014) and for historical Hungarian lands to go back to Hungary (just like your friend has done)?
Well, ESay, you have written quite a few words, but did not answer my question: what does exactly depend on you in Ukraine? We both know the answer: nothing. Maidan revolution gave all the control of their country to Washington and now Ukrainian president and government can't even fart without Washington's permission.It would be better if more and more people begin to realize that “beautiful European future” depends on them in first turn.
I just wonder, what do you think depends on you personally? Since Ukraine proclaimed itself “independent” nothing really depends on the ordinary people there, that’s unfortunately true.
Edward Hodos, a Jewish writer from Kharkov [Eastern Ukraine] predicted the coup of 2014 in one of his books which was published in 2003 (if I’m not mistaken. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact name of that book now, it may be easy to Google). And not because he was a clairvoyant, not at all. As a Jew he was invited to a meeting with other foreign Jews and Ukrainians from the USA, which took place in Kharkov even before the USSR had collapsed. And those foreigners (!) were describing the future coup and discussing how to pull it off. The fate of Ukraine was already sealed right there. And current total control from Washington only proves it.
Don’t flatter yourself, ESay, Washington does not care about your comfortable life in Ukraine or about your “beautiful European future”. It has much better thoughts on how to use Ukraine:
- For keeping it as a decisive pawn. A tactical pawn to contain Putin’s ambitions.
Ukraine, masks of the revolution
- To take an advantage of the natural resources of Ukraine.
Behind Washington’s Demonization Of Putin: Graft For Hunter Biden, Shaft For Collaboration On Iran & Syria
And when the time comes, Washington will flash “democratic” Ukraine and all its people into the toilet without any hesitation. Unless the USA elects a smart, decent and independent person for a President before that happens. It’s one or the other, regardless if you like it or not.
Some time ago I tried to explain you my point of view about all this stuff. This adventure was fruitless and not very pleasant. I have a great doubt that this case will have some other final.
Moreover, in your post 30 you mentioned your “explanation”. If I remember correctly, I gave a link above which says that your “explanation” is bullshit. Nevertheless, you keep repeating this gibberish about ‘always’. Frankly, I don’t know what can be discussed with such a person and what may be a reason to do that.
Well, ESay, you have written quite a few words, but did not answer my question: what does exactly depend on you in Ukraine? We both know the answer: nothing. Maidan revolution gave all the control of their country to Washington and now Ukrainian president and government can't even fart without Washington's permission.It would be better if more and more people begin to realize that “beautiful European future” depends on them in first turn.
I just wonder, what do you think depends on you personally? Since Ukraine proclaimed itself “independent” nothing really depends on the ordinary people there, that’s unfortunately true.
Edward Hodos, a Jewish writer from Kharkov [Eastern Ukraine] predicted the coup of 2014 in one of his books which was published in 2003 (if I’m not mistaken. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact name of that book now, it may be easy to Google). And not because he was a clairvoyant, not at all. As a Jew he was invited to a meeting with other foreign Jews and Ukrainians from the USA, which took place in Kharkov even before the USSR had collapsed. And those foreigners (!) were describing the future coup and discussing how to pull it off. The fate of Ukraine was already sealed right there. And current total control from Washington only proves it.
Don’t flatter yourself, ESay, Washington does not care about your comfortable life in Ukraine or about your “beautiful European future”. It has much better thoughts on how to use Ukraine:
- For keeping it as a decisive pawn. A tactical pawn to contain Putin’s ambitions.
Ukraine, masks of the revolution
- To take an advantage of the natural resources of Ukraine.
Behind Washington’s Demonization Of Putin: Graft For Hunter Biden, Shaft For Collaboration On Iran & Syria
And when the time comes, Washington will flash “democratic” Ukraine and all its people into the toilet without any hesitation. Unless the USA elects a smart, decent and independent person for a President before that happens. It’s one or the other, regardless if you like it or not.
Some time ago I tried to explain you my point of view about all this stuff. This adventure was fruitless and not very pleasant. I have a great doubt that this case will have some other final.
Moreover, in your post 30 you mentioned your “explanation”. If I remember correctly, I gave a link above which says that your “explanation” is bullshit. Nevertheless, you keep repeating this gibberish about ‘always’. Frankly, I don’t know what can be discussed with such a person and what may be a reason to do that.
Vitaliy Kasko the General Prosecutor's Assistant has given another confirmation to that very unpleasant fact a couple of days ago. Watch Minute 5.30 of his press conference. He says: "Before making a final decision about my resigning I have consulted with our foreign partners and we have agreed that it’s the only right decision".
Nothing happens in "democratic" and "independent" Ukraine without consulting with "our foreign partners" any more... What a shame.
The U.N. children’s fund considers the many children affected by the conflict in eastern Ukraine as much more than just “collateral damage.” It says the deprivation and trauma experienced by those who are most affected - some 580,000 children living near the front line - will have life-long damaging consequences. UNICEF representative in Ukraine Giovanna Barberis said these children were being deprived of their basic rights, including education, housing and the right to play. Speaking by telephone from the capital Kyiv, she said about 215,000 of the 1.6 million people displaced by the conflict could not return to the homes they were forced to flee.
![]()
A woman with her child and others pass body of a man, who died in a land mine explosion near a frontline crossing to Ukrainian government-controlled territory, in the war conflict-hit Donetsk region, near Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, Feb. 10, 2015. The U.N. children’s fund calls on Feb. 21, 2016, the daily suffering endured by more than one-half million Ukrainian children victimized by two years of conflict intolerable.
“Over 200,000—so one in three are in need of psychosocial support…These are children that have witnessed violence and fighting and that are really in need of immediate support," said Barberis. Temperatures in the region are plummeting and Barberis said fuel shortages and high prices of coal were leaving children at risk of respiratory infections. She warned of an outbreak of diseases because of the lack of health services and a shortage of medicines.
Landmine threat
She said children were facing the imminent threat of stepping on landmines and other unexploded devices. She told VOA there was no proper system for tracking the number of children killed and maimed by these devices. She said UNICEF was relying on what she terms "unrealistic figures" from the Ministry of Health. “Out of the 60 children that had been killed as a result of the conflict, around 40 were killed by mines because of jumping on any of these devices. But, again, I would not take it as a reliable figure,” said Barberis.
In the early stages of the conflict, the government in Kyiv cut off social payments to people living in the rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine. This has created great hardships for the population. Barberis said the government has not resumed any benefit payments, but Russia was trying to mitigate the situation by providing some financial support
UN: Children Biggest Victims of 2-Year Conflict in E. Ukraine
I am fascinated how gracefully this ^ phrase was constructed: it looks like children in Donbass are suffering due to rebels backed by Russia, but not because fascist junta, which overthrew the elected president [Yanukovich] and started the all out war against Donbass (red spot on the map below).Children Biggest Victims of 2-Year Ukraine war...
more than 500,000 Ukrainian children victimized by two years of conflict intolerable. UNICEF finds children living in areas controlled by Russian-supported rebels in eastern Ukraine are being deprived of their most basic rights and needs.
Children Biggest Victims of 2-Year Ukraine war...
UN: Children Biggest Victims of 2-Year Conflict in E. Ukraine
February 21, 2016 — The U.N. children’s fund calls the daily suffering endured by more than 500,000 Ukrainian children victimized by two years of conflict intolerable. UNICEF finds children living in areas controlled by Russian-supported rebels in eastern Ukraine are being deprived of their most basic rights and needs.
The U.N. children’s fund considers the many children affected by the conflict in eastern Ukraine as much more than just “collateral damage.” It says the deprivation and trauma experienced by those who are most affected - some 580,000 children living near the front line - will have life-long damaging consequences. UNICEF representative in Ukraine Giovanna Barberis said these children were being deprived of their basic rights, including education, housing and the right to play. Speaking by telephone from the capital Kyiv, she said about 215,000 of the 1.6 million people displaced by the conflict could not return to the homes they were forced to flee.
![]()
A woman with her child and others pass body of a man, who died in a land mine explosion near a frontline crossing to Ukrainian government-controlled territory, in the war conflict-hit Donetsk region, near Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, Feb. 10, 2015. The U.N. children’s fund calls on Feb. 21, 2016, the daily suffering endured by more than one-half million Ukrainian children victimized by two years of conflict intolerable.
“Over 200,000—so one in three are in need of psychosocial support…These are children that have witnessed violence and fighting and that are really in need of immediate support," said Barberis. Temperatures in the region are plummeting and Barberis said fuel shortages and high prices of coal were leaving children at risk of respiratory infections. She warned of an outbreak of diseases because of the lack of health services and a shortage of medicines.
Landmine threat
She said children were facing the imminent threat of stepping on landmines and other unexploded devices. She told VOA there was no proper system for tracking the number of children killed and maimed by these devices. She said UNICEF was relying on what she terms "unrealistic figures" from the Ministry of Health. “Out of the 60 children that had been killed as a result of the conflict, around 40 were killed by mines because of jumping on any of these devices. But, again, I would not take it as a reliable figure,” said Barberis.
In the early stages of the conflict, the government in Kyiv cut off social payments to people living in the rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine. This has created great hardships for the population. Barberis said the government has not resumed any benefit payments, but Russia was trying to mitigate the situation by providing some financial support
UN: Children Biggest Victims of 2-Year Conflict in E. Ukraine
Washington??? You think the NATO is?