A Review of the "Putin Ploy"

[PoliticalChic]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

 

[Moonglow]

 

[Toro]

FDR did it!

 

[TheOldSchool]

It's all part of Stalin's long con. FDR did 9/11!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's a shame the OP is too stupid to be embarrassed by her own stupidity. That takes the fun out of making her look stupid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.
.

lol, they dance funny when the shoe's on the other foot, don't they?

 

[Moonglow]

It's a shame the OP is too stupid to be embarrassed by her own stupidity. That takes the fun out of making her look stupid.

She's posting between genuflects today..

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

You've spent years trying to "de-legitimize" every Democratic President from Wilson to Obama, and demeaned every Democrat as a leftist, Fascist, Socialist, Marxist, Commie, and now defend a former member of the KGB and leader of a Communist Nation whose having a bromance with the P-e!

You're more fucked up than even I considered you to be!

 

[tinydancer]

Every post past the OP is trolling and off topic. Obviously all you left wing loons have left are insults.



Thank heavens for the report button. This shit keeps up I'm going to begin to embrace it.

 

[tinydancer]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

This fake scandal has become a joke. When I found out the other day that the FBI's first report was based on a third party's assessment of the hacking I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

To base the report of CrowdStrike's findings is beyond the pale. For crying out loud we are supposed to beleive a tech company hired by the DNC? Give me a freaking break.

Has the FBI finally gotten around to examining the servers yet? It would be nice if they did so.

 

[Seawytch]

Every post past the OP is trolling and off topic. Obviously all you left wing loons have left are insults.



Thank heavens for the report button. This shit keeps up I'm going to begin to embrace it.

Your post is off topic...do as you say not as you do?

 

[Seawytch]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

This fake scandal has become a joke. When I found out the other day that the FBI's first report was based on a third party's assessment of the hacking I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

To base the report of CrowdStrike's findings is beyond the pale. For crying out loud we are supposed to beleive a tech company hired by the DNC? Give me a freaking break.

Has the FBI finally gotten around to examining the servers yet? It would be nice if they did so.

You know what it sounds like...it sounds like we need an independent investigation into the hacking. Why is the GOP leadership opposed to such an investigation?

 

[tinydancer]

Every post past the OP is trolling and off topic. Obviously all you left wing loons have left are insults.



Thank heavens for the report button. This shit keeps up I'm going to begin to embrace it.

Your post is off topic...do as you say not as you do?

I'm giving fair warning by assessing the trolling. Tired of it. It should be noted that the neener neener you stink and have cooties posts by the left is out of hand and has no place at USMB except for the Zones designated for such inane idiocy.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Notice clapper et al didn't say they were certain Russia did it
Bet ya that hard drive from DNC is getting wiped with a cloth as we speak

 

[mamooth]

The Russians refer to Trump as "our little bitch".

Actually, they don't use the word "bitch". They use something more vulgar.

Needless to say, they never referred to Obama in such a way. They had major respect for him, and for Clinton.

 

[Edgetho]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy. <snippage>

It could also be dimcraps realize that if they do badly in the 2018 Mid Terms (as I think they will) then the entire Party is in jeopardy.

I think they understand this. I think they are playing for the 2018 Mid Terms.

I also don't think they're smart enough to try to 'delegitimize' Trump.

They're just not that smart.

They're simply back to campaigning. It's all they know how to do.

All Sharks know how to do is eat. They're eating machines.

I caught one, one time and we gutted it. It got away from us on the boat and back into the water -- It started eating ITS OWN GUTS.

That's all they know how to do.

All dimocrap scum know how to do is campaign. And lie.

They're not trying to harm Trump for any reason other than the next election.

Look at the Lying Cocksucker..... He got elected -- Twice, and from the time he got elected the first time -- He NEVER stopped campaigning.

When he leaves office in ten days, he will stay in Washington and campaign.

So will Hitlery. So will Bill The Rapist. Algore, Kerry, Nazi Pelousy, Harry Reid.....

All they do is campaign.

You ascribe too much intelligence to dimocraps. They don't deserve it. They really are stupid. But they're good at campaigning.

And sharks are good at eating.

 

[tinydancer]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

This fake scandal has become a joke. When I found out the other day that the FBI's first report was based on a third party's assessment of the hacking I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

To base the report of CrowdStrike's findings is beyond the pale. For crying out loud we are supposed to beleive a tech company hired by the DNC? Give me a freaking break.

Has the FBI finally gotten around to examining the servers yet? It would be nice if they did so.

You know what it sounds like...it sounds like we need an independent investigation into the hacking. Why is the GOP leadership opposed to such an investigation?

leThe committee assigned to handle this is a bipartisan committee. Diane Feinstein is the co chair of it. I trust this true Democrat. Not many left.

The leadership aka Mitch McConnell knows damn well the McCain wants to be all "mavericky" again and try to take Trump out this way. It's obvious that McCain and Graham are most interested in delegitimizing the election.

John"once upon a time I was a war hero but now I'm just an arrogant bitchy old fool that wants to stay relevant" McCain and Lindsey aka the Capitol Hill Bobbsy Twins are just doing same old same old.

Terrorist loving old SOBs should just fade into this good night.

 

[tinydancer]

The Russians refer to Trump as "our little bitch".

Actually, they don't use the word "bitch". They use something more vulgar.

Needless to say, they never referred to Obama in such a way. They had major respect for him, and for Clinton.

The Russians detest Obama and Clinton for the game they ran down in the Ukraine. Let alone the bloody mess they and other western leaders have left in the ME in their zeal to create a Sunni Muslim dominated region.

Obama and Hillary and Kerry have actually accomplished something I never believed possible. Fucking up the ME to the max. It's now officially FUBAR'D.

 

[depotoo]

Here is what a competitor (Cylance), ex best friend for 17 years says of the crowd strike founder-
The bad blood between McClure and Kurtz built slowly, a result of festering jealousies and disagreements over the future of security. The friendship fractured in 2012. McClure says it got ugly after he declined Kurtz's invitation to join him at CrowdStrike. "I've known George since 1998. We were best friends for 14 years," says McClure. "But I decided I needed to live my life with high integrity and with high-integrity people, so I decided to do this gig on my own. He's still bitter about it."

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

This fake scandal has become a joke. When I found out the other day that the FBI's first report was based on a third party's assessment of the hacking I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

To base the report of CrowdStrike's findings is beyond the pale. For crying out loud we are supposed to beleive a tech company hired by the DNC? Give me a freaking break.

Has the FBI finally gotten around to examining the servers yet? It would be nice if they did so.

 

[Seawytch]

Let me begin with what is the only true and logical conclusion of the entire episode:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.



Now...the review:

1. The constant drumbeat is aimed at poisoning any chance that the new administration has of finding areas of compatibility with Russia.

2. Assuming, arguendo, that leaking material about the Democrats and their candidate were aimed at influencing the electorate, list those things that the electorate knew from the 'leaks' that they didn't know before.
There are none.



3. What evidence has the 'intelligence community' provided beyond conjecture and/or 'consensus.'
Blaming is not the same as proving.

4. "Beyond the government’s headline assertion that Russia is to blame, “it’s important to parse the public statement pretty closely,” said Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution. “They’re being really careful in their word choice.”
The Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said in a statement earlier this month that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
But that statement does not mean that the U.S. has “direct evidence of senior official-level involvement,” Hennessey said.
Without more definitive statements, it’s difficult for some technical experts to take the government’s word on faith, she and others have said.

“There’s no evidence that this was done by the state itself, only evidence it was done by non-state actors that might be Russian-speaking,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of the cyber security consultancy firm Taia Global, referring to the evidence available to the public.

That evidence, which was released by private threat assessment companies rather than official channels, indicates hackers used Cyrillic keyboards and operated during Moscow working hours.
But indicators of identity like timestamps, language preferences and IP addresses “can be manipulated or faked rather easily,” said Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade, a senior security researcher at Kaspersky Lab."
Does the U.S. government really know who hacked Democrats' emails?



5. Could a 14-yr-old have done the 'hacking'?
"Technically, an enterprising 14-year-old could have tricked John Podesta...":
Could a 14-Year-Old Have Hacked John Podesta?




6. While the Democrats would love to claim expertise for the intelligence community....
a. the have been totally wrong and incompetent in a number of cases...and
b. the Democrat in Congress....the Otis Pike Committees and Frank Church Committees totally emasculated the apparatus. Many have said that their policies were responsible for 9/11.




7. The attempt to paint Trump as trying to cozy up to Putin ignores Hillary's "reset button" and Obama's 'flexibility' promises. The snake actually stopped placing defensive structures in Europe to win Putin's favor.

8. If Trump were going to be submissive to Putin, how to explain Dan Coates as Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence:
Coates was forbidden to go to Russia by Putin for comparing him to Hitler:
"people from the US had been similarly blacklisted, including ... and Dan Coats of Indiana, a former US ambassador to Germany. “While I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to go on vacation with my family in Siberia this summer,” Coats wisecracked, “I am honored to be on this list.”Chrystia Freeland: My Ukraine, and Putin’s big lie




9. Consider this: both may by true- Russia trying to influence the election....and Demorcrats using the "Putin Ploy" to de-legitimize a Trump presidency.


10. It is, in fact, the only logical conclusion:
....the aim is to de-legitimize the new administration, and make it more difficult for Trump to be a success in foreign policy.

This fake scandal has become a joke. When I found out the other day that the FBI's first report was based on a third party's assessment of the hacking I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

To base the report of CrowdStrike's findings is beyond the pale. For crying out loud we are supposed to beleive a tech company hired by the DNC? Give me a freaking break.

Has the FBI finally gotten around to examining the servers yet? It would be nice if they did so.

You know what it sounds like...it sounds like we need an independent investigation into the hacking. Why is the GOP leadership opposed to such an investigation?

leThe committee assigned to handle this is a bipartisan committee. Diane Feinstein is the co chair of it. I trust this true Democrat. Not many left.

The leadership aka Mitch McConnell knows damn well the McCain wants to be all "mavericky" again and try to take Trump out this way. It's obvious that McCain and Graham are most interested in delegitimizing the election.

John"once upon a time I was a war hero but now I'm just an arrogant bitchy old fool that wants to stay relevant" McCain and Lindsey aka the Capitol Hill Bobbsy Twins are just doing same old same old.

Terrorist loving old SOBs should just fade into this good night.

There were something like 12 Benghazi investigations. Why is the GOP leadership opposed to an independent investigation into this? Independent would mean independent of McCain and of Yertle the Turtle.

This is a fact...the GOP is opposed to an independent investigation. Why?