A quick question about the shutdown.

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Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.
 
Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.
A population of 13M people who will be able to keep their health insurance. Next question.
 
A population of 13M people who will be able to keep their health insurance. Next question.
Why would they be unable to keep their insurance? The subsidies allowed those on bronze plans to buy silver ones. Allowing the Covid era subsidies to expire just puts obamadon'tcare back to the way it was before Covid. Is obamadon'tcare so poorly written that it can't survive without massive subsidies?
 
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Further proof that liberals never offer compromise, but instead always demand acquiescence
It's also disingenuous, ignoring the reality of what is happening. Note that they carefully avoid mentioning what is changing and use alarmist rhetoric, hoping to bury reality under emotional excess.
 
Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.
They have offered nothing, proving that it is easier to negotiate with Hamas than with democrats.
 
They have offered nothing, proving that it is easier to negotiate with Hamas than with democrats.
Hamas was willing to negotiate because their opponent beat the living Shi'ite out of them.
Democrats haven't yet had that 'Come to Jesus" moment, but Trump is doing his best...
 
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Further proof that liberals never offer compromise, but instead always demand acquiescence
It appears that the (R) refuse to deal.

Art of the Deal.....right.

Bring a compromise, ******* Congress......Each and every one of them.

I'm truly not interested in who is to blame.......both sides are equally disgusting.
 
Why would they be unable to keep their insurance? The subsidies allowed those on bronze plans to buy silver ones. Allowing the Covid era subsidies to expire just puts obamadon'tcare back to the way it was before Covid. Is obamadon'tcare so poorly written that it can't survive without massive subsidies?


It was written to be a disaster in the hopes of the People demanding single payer.
 
Why would they be unable to keep their insurance? The subsidies allowed those on bronze plans to buy silver ones. Allowing the Covid era subsidies to expire just puts obamadon'tcare back to the way it was before Covid. Is obamadon'tcare so poorly written that it can't survive without massive subsidies?
Dude it's well published - I used CBO numbers below where I could. Why do think reversing the cuts means adding back to the budget? Because people were getting something. So yes. Millions will lose their healthcare.
  • Work requirements: "CBO estimates that 5.3 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new work or "community engagement" requirements, which take effect starting January 1, 2027." Many people, even those working will lose their coverage due to the onerous reporting requirements weeding them out. States that have this saw huge reductions in covered citizens. Fulltime home caregivers will lose their health coverage - mostly low income without the ability to pay for their parents/children care.
  • Provider tax restrictions: An estimated 1.2 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new limits on states' ability to use taxes on health care providers to fund their Medicaid programs.
  • Other provisions: Other changes, such as more frequent eligibility redeterminations and making it harder for dually eligible Medicare/Medicaid beneficiaries to retain Medicaid, are expected to cause further coverage losses around 1 million.
ACA premium tax credits
The OBBB did not extend the enhanced premium tax credits for ACA marketplace plans, which are set to expire at the end of 2025.
  • Higher premiums: Without these enhancements, premiums are expected to rise significantly in 2026. KFF estimates that for subsidized enrollees, annual premium payments could more than double, increasing by 114% on average.
  • Fewer insured people: Experts anticipate that millions of Americans will drop their marketplace coverage because they will no longer be able to afford it. The CBO estimates that 4.2 million people will become uninsured as a result of the cost increases to them.
Other factors affecting insurance coverage
Additional factors are expected to reduce insurance coverage, exacerbating the effects of the OBBB:
  • Expiration of ACA rules: New CBO estimates from September 2025 predict that nullifying specific ACA marketplace rules, including automatic re-enrollment, will cause 900,000 additional people to lose health insurance.
  • Higher costs for everyone: Insurers are citing increasing health care costs and the expiration of enhanced premium tax credits as key drivers for substantial rate hikes in 2026, which will affect even those not covered by subsidies. The median proposed premium increase for 2026 is 18% nationally.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/healt...illion people will,not available at this time.)
 
Dude it's well published - I used CBO numbers below where I could. Why do think reversing the cuts means adding back to the budget? Because people were getting something. So yes. Millions will lose their healthcare.
  • Work requirements: "CBO estimates that 5.3 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new work or "community engagement" requirements, which take effect starting January 1, 2027." Many people, even those working will lose their coverage due to the onerous reporting requirements weeding them out. States that have this saw huge reductions in covered citizens. Fulltime home caregivers will lose their health coverage - mostly low income without the ability to pay for their parents/children care.
  • Provider tax restrictions: An estimated 1.2 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new limits on states' ability to use taxes on health care providers to fund their Medicaid programs.
  • Other provisions: Other changes, such as more frequent eligibility redeterminations and making it harder for dually eligible Medicare/Medicaid beneficiaries to retain Medicaid, are expected to cause further coverage losses around 1 million.
ACA premium tax credits
The OBBB did not extend the enhanced premium tax credits for ACA marketplace plans, which are set to expire at the end of 2025.
  • Higher premiums: Without these enhancements, premiums are expected to rise significantly in 2026. KFF estimates that for subsidized enrollees, annual premium payments could more than double, increasing by 114% on average.
  • Fewer insured people: Experts anticipate that millions of Americans will drop their marketplace coverage because they will no longer be able to afford it. The CBO estimates that 4.2 million people will become uninsured as a result of the cost increases to them.
Other factors affecting insurance coverage
Additional factors are expected to reduce insurance coverage, exacerbating the effects of the OBBB:
  • Expiration of ACA rules: New CBO estimates from September 2025 predict that nullifying specific ACA marketplace rules, including automatic re-enrollment, will cause 900,000 additional people to lose health insurance.
  • Higher costs for everyone: Insurers are citing increasing health care costs and the expiration of enhanced premium tax credits as key drivers for substantial rate hikes in 2026, which will affect even those not covered by subsidies. The median proposed premium increase for 2026 is 18% nationally.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/by-the-numbers-harmful-republican-megabill-will-take-health-coverage-away-from#:~:text=Roughly 15 million people will,not available at this time.)
Why are you trying to argue that measures enacted for an emergency have to be permanent? Wasn't obamadon'tcare functioning just fine before them?
 
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Why are you trying to argue that measures enacted for an emergency have to be permanent? Wasn't obamadon'tcare functioning just fine before them?
The analysis simply tells you what will happen. Your questions on why life isnt somehow different has nothing to do with whether people will lose insurance or not. They will. And it will be because the GOP killed the funding. I think it is a great idea to kill. It will lose the GOP some of the red state Bubba's using Obamacare. I could give a shit but it will be a nice voter pick up.
 
It appears that the (R) refuse to deal.

Art of the Deal.....right.

Bring a compromise, ******* Congress......Each and every one of them.

I'm truly not interested in who is to blame.......both sides are equally disgusting.

Republicans brought a deal, it was "let's just pass a clean CR so we can at least keep government functioning while we hash this all out"

Democrats said "nope!'
 

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