A quick question about the shutdown.

Dude it's well published - I used CBO numbers below where I could. Why do think reversing the cuts means adding back to the budget? Because people were getting something. So yes. Millions will lose their healthcare.
  • Work requirements: "CBO estimates that 5.3 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new work or "community engagement" requirements, which take effect starting January 1, 2027." Many people, even those working will lose their coverage due to the onerous reporting requirements weeding them out. States that have this saw huge reductions in covered citizens. Fulltime home caregivers will lose their health coverage - mostly low income without the ability to pay for their parents/children care.
  • Provider tax restrictions: An estimated 1.2 million people will lose Medicaid coverage due to new limits on states' ability to use taxes on health care providers to fund their Medicaid programs.
  • Other provisions: Other changes, such as more frequent eligibility redeterminations and making it harder for dually eligible Medicare/Medicaid beneficiaries to retain Medicaid, are expected to cause further coverage losses around 1 million.
ACA premium tax credits
The OBBB did not extend the enhanced premium tax credits for ACA marketplace plans, which are set to expire at the end of 2025.
  • Higher premiums: Without these enhancements, premiums are expected to rise significantly in 2026. KFF estimates that for subsidized enrollees, annual premium payments could more than double, increasing by 114% on average.
  • Fewer insured people: Experts anticipate that millions of Americans will drop their marketplace coverage because they will no longer be able to afford it. The CBO estimates that 4.2 million people will become uninsured as a result of the cost increases to them.
Other factors affecting insurance coverage
Additional factors are expected to reduce insurance coverage, exacerbating the effects of the OBBB:
  • Expiration of ACA rules: New CBO estimates from September 2025 predict that nullifying specific ACA marketplace rules, including automatic re-enrollment, will cause 900,000 additional people to lose health insurance.
  • Higher costs for everyone: Insurers are citing increasing health care costs and the expiration of enhanced premium tax credits as key drivers for substantial rate hikes in 2026, which will affect even those not covered by subsidies. The median proposed premium increase for 2026 is 18% nationally.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/by-the-numbers-harmful-republican-megabill-will-take-health-coverage-away-from#:~:text=Roughly 15 million people will,not available at this time.)

Ok, so let's work on ways to reduce the cost of Healthcare, instead of throwing more credits at it, which just incentives higher prices because as long as the medical industry know government will pay, they can charge whatever they want.

The same thing happened to college.
 
Post #12 outlines who will lose their insurance according to the non-partisan CBO. I am just summarizing what they say the bill will do.
And if democrats were REALLY concerned about it, they would have passed the CR and hashed out a compromise. That's not what they did.
 
Ok, so let's work on ways to reduce the cost of Healthcare, instead of throwing more credits at it, which just incentives higher prices because as long as the medical industry know government will pay, they can charge whatever they want.

The same thing happened to college.
Ok. But lets do that before throwing 13M people off of it. I am not married to any plan, just the concept that healthcare should be attainable for citizens of the wealthiest country on earth. Still waiting for trumps better cheaper option.
 
Ok. But lets do that before throwing 13M people off of it. I am not married to any plan, just the concept that healthcare should be attainable for citizens of the wealthiest country on earth. Still waiting for trumps better cheaper option.

Well, the first thing that needs to happen is for them to sign the CR, get the government open and that will give them a few weeks to get to work on the final bill.
 
They have offered nothing, proving that it is easier to negotiate with Hamas than with democrats.
Democrats do not negotiate without getting something in return when they are in this frenzy. This is why they control much of the nation. They would gut the military and let the Republicans fill the coffers in defense spending in return for their social agendas when out of power. For the first time ever since their move to becoming Progressives enroute to Communists, they are now challenged to degree.
 
Well, the first thing that needs to happen is for them to sign the CR, get the government open and that will give them a few weeks to get to work on the final bill.
Listen. You're talking about an administration that cuts congressional approved spending after a bill is passed. If you dont like the democrats position then go it alone. The Trump administration had 4.5 years to work on a replacement or some healthcare options and all we got was "No one knew healthcare could be so hard?"

I am sure an outline of an agreement would move the democrats but right now Trump said he wont negotiate at all so they are not negotiating.

 
Democrats do not negotiate...
Period.
They demand. They offer nothing in return.

On this very topic right here, post #2
'If the Republicans give the Democrats what they want, Democrats will give Republicans what the Democrats want"

That's their version of negotiation, in toto.

The GOP rightly has given them the finger, and I hope they continue to do so.
 
Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.
They have offered to open the government back up, duh.
 
Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.
**** those poorz amirite?
 
The subsidies were temporary, the democrats know that, they wrote the law.

Premiums are just going back to normal, why the uproar over normal premiums?

Its not like Trump or Republicans had anything to do with it.
Yet you hosers kept the billionaire tax breaks..
 
15th post
Democrats always take a "static" view of new circumstances. On Medicaid, they presume that the millions of people who would no longer qualify due to work (or other) requirements will be without coverage.

Think about that. Those people have options, do they not? They could get jobs, which are plentiful. They could enroll in training.

Barry Soetoro told us that ACA would result in LOWER HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS, right? No rational person believed him, but he did promise that.
 
It appears that the (R) refuse to deal.

Art of the Deal.....right.

Bring a compromise, ******* Congress......Each and every one of them.

I'm truly not interested in who is to blame.......both sides are equally disgusting.
So you can't answer the question in the OP.

Typical.
 
Ok. But lets do that before throwing 13M people off of it. I am not married to any plan, just the concept that healthcare should be attainable for citizens of the wealthiest country on earth. Still waiting for trumps better cheaper option.
Prove your 13 million number.

I say you are a liar.

PROVE ME WRONG! citygator
 
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