A Quick and Clear Summation of the Situation in Ukraine.

It is not about me. Try to keep that in mind. Why has the war lasted 3 years? Can you blame that on Trump?
Oh so it's about me and what I think about Trump and Biden...but not you, no no we can't talk about that.

Sure. :cuckoo:

It doesn't matter how long the war lasted, at question is what can be done about it. Nothing can be done about it from American side so long as Putin hopes and insists that Ukraine is to be subjugated by Russia.
 
Oh so it's about me and what I think about Trump and Biden...but not you, no no we can't talk about that.

Sure. :cuckoo:

It doesn't matter how long the war lasted, at question is what can be done about it.
Why has the war lasted 3 years? Can you blame that on Trump?
 
Yep. Russia has always been fucked up.

Course it doesn't help that globalists encouraged him to invade Ukraine.

The result was predictable.

Hate to break it to you but in war often times both sides can be wrong.

In this case, both sides are bad actors.
are the Globalists in the room with us right now?
 
Why has the war lasted 3 years? Can you blame that on Trump?

I keep answering you keep not understanding.

So long as Putin has hope to control Ukraine no peace will ever happen. America can whole heartedly support Ukraine's millitary effort and shorten the war, or we can do what Trump is doing now and prolong the war.

You want to blame Biden for not giving enough aid? Sure I'm right there with you. But you at the same time refusing to fault Trump for halting aid, bickering with Ukraine and our allies is an insane compermentalization.
 
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Biden slow walked the help after Zelensky begged him for it. You did not see Zelensky come to this country begging for help? Since the invasion, I have said this over and over on this forum. Now Trump is not slow walking it, he stopped any new shipments. Zelensky blew it for now.

Oh, shut up, you Mormon Twat.

Biden gave Zelensky most of what he needed, it's why Russia's siege of Kyiv was broken.
 
I keep answering you keep not understanding.

So long as Putin has hope to control Ukraine no peace will ever happen. America can whole heartedly support Ukraine's millitary effort and shorten the war, or we can do what Trump is doing now and prolong the war.
Trump is ending war.
 
Trump is ending war.

Should I ignore all reason and just take your incoherent, self-contradicting assertion for it? :cuckoo:

You blame Biden for not giving enough weapons, but at the same time think that Trump halting millitary aid is a good way to go to get at peace.

It's completely nuts and can only be explained by tribalist compermentalization.

Say anything to credit Trump, say anything to shit on Biden, thats the only way to explain your nonsense.
 
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Oh, shut up, you Mormon Twat.

Biden gave Zelensky most of what he needed, it's why Russia's siege of Kyiv was broken.
Why do you attack religion at all?

Biden slow walked it to Zelensky. Do you recall Zelensky coming several times begging for help?

 
You blame Biden for not giving enough weapons, but at the same time think that Trump halting aid is a good way to go.
Not true at all. I raised hell when Trump cut off Zelensky. If it was wrong for Biden, it is wrong for Trump. That is a fact.
 
I can think of Biden.

I can think of Trump.

I can contrast what the two have done for Ukraine.

You can't, thats the difference.
You said I made it about you. But read what you did to yourself?
 
Not true at all. I raised hell when Trump cut off Zelensky. If it was wrong for Biden, it is wrong for Trump. That is a fact.

You are saying Trump is ending the war - right?

How the hell is he doing that by cutting off millitary aid and refusing to say that Russia invaded Ukraine? Putin doesn't give any shit about nice words or not nice words, all he cares about is Ukraine under his control and so long as he maintains that goal no peace is possible.
 
Russian aggression in Ukraine happened under Obama and Biden. They are Putin's puppets, not Trump. Zelenskky wants Nato and the US to fight his war for him. Nato and the US entering the war in Ukraine directly would be seen as an existential threat by Russia and put the World on the precipice of WW III. Trump will not allow that to happen.

Zelenskky had a deal that would ensure he still had a Nation to govern. Now his only play is to hope the pussies in Europe will somehow bail him out. Europe is too cowardly and cheap to do what is necessary, so Zelenskky and Ukraine are fucked without US help.

That is it. Understand? Zelenskky overplayed his hand and he and Ukraine are likely toast. Buh-Bye. :bye1:

A Quick and Clear Summation of anything by you is a joke.​


Obama and Biden were never beholden to Putin as Trump is.

Ukraine has been sacrificing blood and lives fighting, while people like you engage in shit-talking


Dec. 1, 1991: Ukraine Becomes Independent​

Shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine voted for independence. The Ukrainian people overwhelmingly support becoming a sovereign state. Ukraine is the second-largest country in Europe by land-mass and has a sizable population of ethnic Russians.


Dec. 5, 1994: The Budapest Memorandum Is Signed​

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was signed in late 1994. This document was signed following Ukraine’s agreement to transfer all nuclear weapons from the Cold War to the Russian Federation, making Ukraine a non-nuclear power. Prior to this, Ukraine had physical possession of the world’s third-largest nuclear stockpile. In addition to Ukraine, the Budapest Memorandum was signed by the United States, the United Kingdom and Russia. All the signatories committed to honoring Ukraine’s sovereignty and its rights to its territory.

April 3, 2008: Russia Fights Ukrainian NATO Membership​

In early April of 2008, a NATO summit began with intense debate about extending a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Ukraine. In order to gain membership to NATO, a military alliance between 28 European countries and two North American countries dedicated to preserving peace and security in the North Atlantic area, countries must first have a MAP. Russian President Vladimir Putin makes his opposition to Ukrainian membership known to NATO leaders, at one point allegedly telling President George W. Bush that Ukraine is “not even a real nation-state.” NATO does not offer Ukraine a MAP.

 
Biden slow walked it to Zelensky. Do you recall Zelensky coming several times begging for help?

Do you recall

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Do you recall

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I did not see that at all. Why did you post the cartoon?

Did you see me declare Trump was wrong to stop his help? A thing you refuse to do to Biden.
 
Obama and Biden were never beholden to Putin as Trump is.
After Biden and Trump handed Crimea to Russia????? Never beholding. Trump is not helping Putin. See now he cut off help, you see Europe chipping in.
 
Russia has paid a price. Trump talks as if he has let Putin off the hook. But has he? This will take more time to figure out.
Very Interesting

What has Trump done that holds Putin responsible?
He won’t even admit he invaded Ukraine
 

A Quick and Clear Summation of anything by you is a joke.​


Obama and Biden were never beholden to Putin as Trump is.

Ukraine has been sacrificing blood and lives fighting, while people like you engage in shit-talking


Dec. 1, 1991: Ukraine Becomes Independent​

Shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine voted for independence. The Ukrainian people overwhelmingly support becoming a sovereign state. Ukraine is the second-largest country in Europe by land-mass and has a sizable population of ethnic Russians.


Dec. 5, 1994: The Budapest Memorandum Is Signed​

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was signed in late 1994. This document was signed following Ukraine’s agreement to transfer all nuclear weapons from the Cold War to the Russian Federation, making Ukraine a non-nuclear power. Prior to this, Ukraine had physical possession of the world’s third-largest nuclear stockpile. In addition to Ukraine, the Budapest Memorandum was signed by the United States, the United Kingdom and Russia. All the signatories committed to honoring Ukraine’s sovereignty and its rights to its territory.

April 3, 2008: Russia Fights Ukrainian NATO Membership​

In early April of 2008, a NATO summit began with intense debate about extending a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Ukraine. In order to gain membership to NATO, a military alliance between 28 European countries and two North American countries dedicated to preserving peace and security in the North Atlantic area, countries must first have a MAP. Russian President Vladimir Putin makes his opposition to Ukrainian membership known to NATO leaders, at one point allegedly telling President George W. Bush that Ukraine is “not even a real nation-state.” NATO does not offer Ukraine a MAP.



So butthurt. :(
 
Very Interesting

What has Trump done that holds Putin responsible?
He won’t even admit he invaded Ukraine
Read what I said.

Trump talks as if he has let Putin off the hook. But has he? This will take more time to figure out.
 
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