A myth is born. Plyler v. Doe ruled citizenship for offspring of illegal aliens

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How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it.
_____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
 
Not even in your whitest fantasies. :lmao:

Trump will end the following kind of crap:



What I do know is, existing policy, not statutory law, recognizes the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil as a citizen of the United States.

The good news is, Trump can change that policy with a stroke of his pen.

See: Here’s how Pres. Trump can end Birthright Citizenship… scroll to “Using Administrative Authority”.
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
So another lib loon, media assisted lie. It was about schooling and not citizenship
 
Trump will end the following kind of crap:



What I do know is, existing policy, not statutory law, recognizes the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil as a citizen of the United States.

The good news is, Trump can change that policy with a stroke of his pen.

See: Here’s how Pres. Trump can end Birthright Citizenship… scroll to “Using Administrative Authority”.

:itsok: :lmao:
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

When were you appointed to the Supreme Court?
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
You make good points, but our legal system does not depend on logic

rather it depends on the whims of 5 unelected demigods in black robes

They could get drunk, smoke peyote, or snort coke and render any judgement that pleases them

Hopefully someone can press the right button and they will overturn birthright citizenship for illegal alien children

But its really just a crap shoot
 
FACT:
The Birth Right Citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment was written to protect the offspring of freed slaves.
It was never meant for the offspring of people who illegally entered our country.

 
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So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”
Thanks for the post.

I think when Brennan cited that comment, it wasn't because he disagreed with it.

It follows that if no distinction can be drawn based on entry, then citizenship is granted to all people born in the country, since they are "subject to the jurisdiction of". (exception being children of diplomats, which is not in dispute)

Seems to me the only way to change that is to amend the citizenship clause.

I think the idea that the President can order the Social Security Administration or the State Dept. to require that at least one parent be in the country lawfully has it's own problems, since the States issue the birth certificates, not the Federal Gov't.

I agree the intent of the authors of the 14th was not to grant citizenship to illegal aliens, but there was no such thing as illegal aliens when the 14th was adopted, so it's kind of a red herring...

The plain language of the 14th says what it says, I don't think the court is going to adopt some tortured version of it.
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor:

The rule commonly laid down in the books is, that every person who is born within the ligeance of a sovereign is a subject; and, e converso, that every person born without such allegiance is an alien. . . . Two things usually concur to create citizenship; first, birth locally within the dominions of the sovereign; and secondly, birth within the protection and obedience, or in other words, within the ligenance of the sovereign. That is, the party must be born within a place where the sovereign is at the time in full possession and exercise of his power, and the party must also at his birth derive protection from, and consequently owe obedience or allegiance to the sovereign, as such, de facto.[37]

That predates the 14th, and was based on English common law. The 14th provides Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Sen Lee contends the congress may define what and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, However, the Sup Ct beat them to it. Not in Phyler, but much earlier in
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
I dunno you heard the notion that Phyler is a seminal case. The cases you need worry about are the pre-14th Justice Story opinion in
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
I'm not sure where you heard this, but Phyler is not a problem. Phyler's comments on birthright citzenship are dogma, meaning facts unnecessary to decide the legal question presented, which was ... do kids of illegal aliens get govt benefits. And the answer was Yea.

the US had birthright citizenship through english common law before the 14th. An outline is here

Senator Lee recently opined that the 14th's statement of birthright citzenship is in question. He focused on the phrase

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[10]

However his opinion was the same as the dissent in THE REALLY SEMINAL CASE OF

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

"it is not open to reasonable doubt that the words 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the amendment, were used as synonymous with the words 'and not subject to any foreign power'".[9][142] In the dissenters' view, excessive reliance on jus soli (birthplace) as the principal determiner of citizenship would lead to an untenable state of affairs in which "the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not."[10]

The dissenters acknowledged that other children of foreigners—including former slaves—had, over the years, acquired U.S. citizenship through birth on U.S. soil. But they still saw a difference between those people and U.S.-born individuals of Chinese ancestry, because of strong cultural traditions discouraging Chinese immigrants from assimilating into mainstream American society,[140]

However, the dissenters lost 7-2, I believe. Subject to the jurisdiction has become whether one is subject to our laws. ANd that is why aliens seeking asylum "give themselves up" at points of entry and accept they will obey our courts. Minors do not have independent legal rights to select their nationality, and they are born subject to our laws.

Most legal scholars think the only way to fix this is to amend the 14th. Although Sen Lee may succeed in enacting a law that was trashed by the SC nearly 100 years ago, and frankly never followed in the US, until the 19th century

Although slaves and women were not covered. lol
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.

So, let us review the actual facts.

The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:

"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth

Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:

“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]

Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:


“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”

“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.

JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
Well, something has to be done. Here's what's happening folks, the democrats are relying on the emotions of people saying "(gasp) you can't separate families! That's terrible, and you can deport citizens either, that's equally terrible!!" So what's left is illegals running across the border, giving birth, and hence the term "anchor baby" is born. That's not a bad word, it's just what it is.

Finding a loophole in the law is no excuse for breaking the law, and the continued breaking of the law.

So, "subject to the jurisdiction of" needs to be defined once and for all, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean "an exemption to our immigration laws and sovereign borders"
 
How many times have we heard that Plyler v. Doe confirms, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth? But as it turns out, that is a blatant lie, perpetuated to legitimatize "anchor babies", and the social and financial destruction they inflict upon American citizens and their children.
So, let us review the actual facts.
The first important fact to determine is, what was the court called upon to decide in Plyer v. Doe. The answer, as stated by Justice Brennan is:
"The question presented by these cases is whether, consistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Texas may deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens."

The first thing to note is, the court was not called upon to decide if the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, becomes a United States citizen upon birth
Let us now explore how the ongoing myth came to be, that Plyler v. Doe, (1982) ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.
Justice Brennan writes in Plyler v. Doe:
“Appellants seek to distinguish our prior cases, emphasizing that the Equal Protection Clause directs a State to afford its protection to persons within its jurisdiction while the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments contain no such assertedly limiting phrase. In appellants' view, persons who have entered the United States illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within a State's boundaries and subject to its laws. Neither our cases nor the logic of the Fourteenth Amendment supports that constricting construction of the phrase "within its jurisdiction." [10]
Brennan's Footnote 10 gives birth to the myth and reads as follows:

“Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was "impossible to construe the words `subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words `within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons `within the jurisdiction' of one of the States of the Union are not `subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.'" Id., at 687.”
“Justice Gray concluded that "[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States." Id., at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).” (my bolding of the text)

So, as we find out, Justice Brennan never actually took up the question, if the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil. He merely references a writing of Clement Lincoln Bouvé, published in 1912 which asserted “. . . no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”
And that is how the myth was born, that the court ruled in Plyler v. Doe, the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil, is granted United States citizenship at birth.
The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)
No cigar, JohnwK.
 
Well, something has to be done. Here's what's happening folks, the democrats are relying on the emotions of people saying "(gasp) you can't separate families! That's terrible, and you can deport citizens either, that's equally terrible!!" So what's left is illegals running across the border, giving birth, and hence the term "anchor baby" is born. That's not a bad word, it's just what it is.
...
No, it isn't.
 
Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor:



That predates

So, I take it that you agree Plyler v. Doe did not rule that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.
 
So, I take it that you agree Plyler v. Doe did not rule that the Fourteenth Amendment grants United States citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national if born on American soil.

That's an alternative fact assumption: not smart.

I do grant that it will take an amendment to change birth right citizenship.
 
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