Zone1 a mystery...until you see yourself through Christ

[Meriweather]

Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Isaiah context is about a people who gave up the ways taught by Moses, saying the ways of others were good. Isaiah is saying this "good" from others, not from God, God sees as filthy rags. He had taught them the ways that were good, and they had forsaken them for ways they saw as better.

It's the story of Adam and Eve once again: God wants us to do this, but we want what we want. The reason God warns us of these ways humans see as better, is because in reality these "better" ways, God sees as filthy rags. An example today is abortion. Mankind let themselves be talked into by some to see abortion as "good", while I maintain God views it as a filthy rag.

 

[Meriweather]

BTW - if you remember I am an Atheist - but respect those believers that act according to what their faith demands.

Love one another... not an awful lot of love going forth if it prompts three assassination attempts.

 

[Kruska]

Love one another... not an awful lot of love going forth if it prompts three assassination attempts.

Must have its reasons (many stated that they were in grievance with TACO's unchristian behavior) - even the guy who tried to kill the Pope must have had his reasons. Or those crusaders that slaughtered in the name of God and the Church, or those ISIS creeps that cut of peoples heads. ALL in the name of their respective God and religion. !!!

So you would condemn the person who might have killed Hitler? as a true NT believer you would have to.

 

[Meriweather]

Must have its reasons (many stated that they were in grievance with TACO's unchristian behavior) - even the guy who tried to kill the Pope must have had his reasons. Or those crusaders that slaughtered in the name of God and the Church, or those ISIS creeps that cut of peoples heads. ALL in the name of their respective God and religion. !!!

So you would condemn the person who might have killed Hitler? as a true NT believer you would have to.

It is not my position, nor have I the right or the authority, to condemn anyone. You may also want to delve more deeply into the reasons and history behind the Crusades. As I've said many times before: The reason(s) for any war are wealth and power. Follow the money. The same can be said for the blame game.

 

[Kruska]

It is not my position, nor have I the right or the authority, to condemn anyone. You may also want to delve more deeply into the reasons and history behind the Crusades. As I've said many times before: The reason(s) for any war are wealth and power. Follow the money. The same can be said for the blame game.

No reason to evade the topic at hand. Or ask a history learned person like me, to delve deeper into the history of the Crusades.

The topic is: Christian believes and teachings - so would you condemn?
or do you believe that God/Jesus would condemn the person that might have killed Hitler?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How tender are you towards others? I ask because I often work with middle school students. They can be the hardest students to work with, while at the same time bruise so easily.

Well, I don't need religion to teach me to be a good person. I also don't need religion to teach me that I need to protect myself from other people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How tender are you towards others? I ask because I often work with middle school students. They can be the hardest students to work with, while at the same time bruise so easily.

Well, I don't need religion to teach me to be a good person. I also don't need religion to teach me that I need to protect myself from other people.

 

[Meriweather]

No reason to evade the topic at hand. Or ask a history learned person like me, to delve deeper into the history of the Crusades.

The topic is: Christian believes and teachings - so would you condemn?
or do you believe that God/Jesus would condemn the person that might have killed Hitler?

Even the learned have more to learn.

Asked and answered. I condemn no one. Nor do I attempt to guess how God/Jesus judges anyone. The one thing I do believe is that Jesus' teachings have nothing to do with guiding us through an election. His focus is guiding us through our ordinary, everyday lives and interactions with ordinary, everyday people.

Personally, I am amazed at how many people seem to believe they know exactly how to run the United States and its place in the world, and how to deal with each, individual country and each of its individual problems. Yet, believing they are brilliant critics, they offer none of their brilliant solutions on their quick-fix for the world.

 

[Meriweather]

Well, I don't need religion to teach me to be a good person. I also don't need religion to teach me that I need to protect myself from other people.

Who are your teachers? Or, do you hold the belief people are innately good and no one has any need to look outward to learn more?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Who are your teachers? Or, do you hold the belief people are innately good and no one has any need to look outward to learn more?

My teachers have been people on the internet. I started talking on the internet about politics when the Columbine High School massacre happened. That's like 27 years.

But then I guess I always was just a good kid. Same as my child.

People are not inherently good or bad.

Good and bad are what we choose them to be.

You'd probably say good is "thou shalt not kill" and I'd point out that you probably eat meat and so you kill, or have killed, lots of animals for your pleasure.

I'd say therefore your "thou shalt no kill" is very human centric, (like 4000%).

You have decided what good and bad are, probably based on how you were brought up.

Good and bad a relative and they're very human centric (that's my summary)

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

"All we are is dust in the wind." - Kansas 20:77

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

This a ZONE 1 Religious discussion board. Run along.

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This should be reported as the obvious violation of TOS that it is. I can't make that happen because I don't have that function.

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[Meriweather]

My teachers have been people on the internet. I started talking on the internet about politics when the Columbine High School massacre happened. That's like 27 years.

But then I guess I always was just a good kid. Same as my child.

People are not inherently good or bad.

Good and bad are what we choose them to be.

You'd probably say good is "thou shalt not kill" and I'd point out that you probably eat meat and so you kill, or have killed, lots of animals for your pleasure.

I'd say therefore your "thou shalt no kill" is very human centric, (like 4000%).

You have decided what good and bad are, probably based on how you were brought up.

Good and bad a relative and they're very human centric (that's my summary)

"Thou shalt not kill" etymology in Hebrew is about lying in wait to ambush and murder a human being without warning. You extended it to animals, and that's your prerogative, but the Commandments don't. I extend it to plants. My tomatoes, peppers, chives, and other herbs tremble in fear every time I pass by. Which one of them will be next? One of life's hardest lessons: In order for one to live, something else must die.

In any case, religion is not so much focused on good or bad as it is focused on love--wanting what is best for the other. It is about God--knowing, loving, serving God and his ways--being given first priority in one's life. It's learning to love as he loves--i.e., beyond self.

 

[luiza]

It is about God--knowing, loving, serving God and his ways--being given first priority in one's life. It's learning to love as he loves--i.e., beyond self.

The one that has to rely on every living thing murdering something/someone else so that it might itself go on living .

Some Satanic Cult Belief System .

By all means enjoy , but tell it as it really is -- the Murder Cult .

 

[Meriweather]

The one that has to rely on every living thing murdering something/someone else so that it might itself go on living .

Some Satanic Cult Belief System .

By all means enjoy , but tell it as it really is -- the Murder Cult .

Reality. Do you see it as coyotes murdering rabbits, or do you see it as finding its next meal?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Reality. Do you see it as coyotes murdering rabbits, or do you see it as finding its next meal?

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How about the people who hit animals on the road? Who gets tried for that murder, the motorist or the coyote or the eagle who makes a meal of the dead deer or raccoon?

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[Meriweather]

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How about the people who hit animals on the road? Who gets tried for that murder, the motorist or the coyote or the eagle who makes a meal of the dead deer or raccoon?

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There are a few atheists who maul faith and all it stands for. I can't imagine being that unhappy. Prayers.

 

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In any case, religion is not so much focused on good or bad as it is focused on love

An important point. If one focuses on loving others good and bad take care of themselves.

 

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The one that has to rely on every living thing murdering something/someone else so that it might itself go on living .

Some Satanic Cult Belief System .

By all means enjoy , but tell it as it really is -- the Murder Cult .

To live is to consume things that were living or came from the living. There is no other way.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

There are a few atheists who maul faith and all it stands for. I can't imagine being that unhappy. Prayers.

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They get my prayers, regularly, each day.

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