Zone1 a mystery...until you see yourself through Christ

[MarathonMike]

There are a few atheists who maul faith and all it stands for. I can't imagine being that unhappy. Prayers.

Atheism is a belief system that requires much diligence to try and explain what is unexplainable by physical laws.

 

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Atheism is a belief system that requires much diligence to try and explain what is unexplainable by physical laws.

Why does atheism require much diligence to explain what is unexplainable by physical laws?

Atheism is a belief that all that exists is a material existence. Are you implying that they need to justify that belief?

If so, why?

 

[MarathonMike]

Why does atheism require much diligence to explain what is unexplainable by physical laws?

Atheism is a belief that all that exists is a material existence. Are you implying that they need to justify that belief?

If so, why?

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating a fact. Order, symmetry and balance cannot be created or maintained without a controlling force. That is the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

 

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I'm not implying anything, I'm stating a fact. Order, symmetry and balance cannot be created or maintained without a controlling force. That is the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Ok, what does that have to do with atheism?

 

[MarathonMike]

Ok, what does that have to do with atheism?

Obviously everything.

 

[Kruska]

Even the learned have more to learn.

Asked and answered. I condemn no one. Nor do I attempt to guess how God/Jesus judges anyone. The one thing I do believe is that Jesus' teachings have nothing to do with guiding us through an election. His focus is guiding us through our ordinary, everyday lives and interactions with ordinary, everyday people.

Personally, I am amazed at how many people seem to believe they know exactly how to run the United States and its place in the world, and how to deal with each, individual country and each of its individual problems. Yet, believing they are brilliant critics, they offer none of their brilliant solutions on their quick-fix for the world.

The answer for a "learned" Christian is actually very, very simple. it's NO, all YOU can do is to condone an action.

Only God can condemn a person to e.g. eternal purgatory. Whilst the present Pope preaches that God is a kind and forgiving man. Despite God having send the flood, killing thousands of Egyptian newborns, leveling Sodom&Gomorrah, etc.etc.etc......

Therefore if you adhere to the OT - YOUR religion is that off an autocratic, vengeful God, who regards killing as his natural privilege.

So Jesus comes in (NT) hasn't condemned nor killed anyone - even gave his live to redeem mankind. And Jesus ONLY preaches about love and forgiveness whilst reminding the people to observe the 10 Commandments. Furthermore according to the NT Johannes 5,22 - God handed over judgement to Jesus - over the living and the dead.

Your "belief" into the holy trinity however contradicts or leads (punishment-condemnation) then to absurdity.

Factually Jesus preached/reminded people to live a peaceful, orderly, and caring for each others life. Therefore if people would actually adhere to Jesus words - there wouldn't even be a person that displays the character and actions of a Hitler or a TACO, or etc.

That's why I don't give a dime about RELIGION - besides being an Atheist - but I "respect" people that "give their best" to live according to Jesus's or other prophets or a Buddha's teachings. Aka any person that gives his best to live a peaceful and caring for each others life. - One doesn't even need a Jesus or any prophet or Buddha for that.!!!

 

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Obviously everything.

It's not as obvious as you might think. The atheists you see posting here don't represent the average atheist. The average atheist doesn't give their atheism a second thought.

 

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Despite God having send the flood, killing thousands of Egyptian newborns, leveling Sodom&Gomorrah, etc.etc.etc......

Didn't happen.

 

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Therefore if you adhere to the OT - YOUR religion is that off an autocratic, vengeful God, who regards killing as his natural privilege.

Incorrect. Loving and merciful. You are getting confused by Jewish embellishment. Most people do.

The Bible presents God as possessing both mercy and punitive (judgmental) attributes, often describing them as working together rather than in opposition. Although the Old Testament is often associated with God's punishment, it mentions God's mercy over four times as much as the New Testament.

The Bible describes God as "merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy". Examples of mercy include... Holding back judgment to allow time for change, as in the case of the Amalekites. Forgiving Israel throughout its history. Jesus paying the debt of sin for humanity.

The same passage that calls God merciful also states that He "does not let the guilty go unpunished". The Bible notes that punishing the wicked is a "strange act" and that God takes no pleasure in it. God's punitive side is a result of His justice, while His mercy is shown through sparing people from the punishment they deserve.

 

[Meriweather]

Atheism is a belief system that requires much diligence to try and explain what is unexplainable by physical laws.

Atheism: No belief in God.

 

[Meriweather]

Despite God having send the flood, killing thousands of Egyptian newborns, leveling Sodom&Gomorrah, etc.etc.etc......

This is a description of reading the King James English from your point of view. Try reading the Hebrew from God's point of view.

 

[Kruska]

This is a description of reading the King James English from your point of view. Try reading the Hebrew from God's point of view.

What do you "think" the OT aka Masoretic Hebrew text, is???

Its the religion and texts of a vile and aggressive people - since 1947 revisited/revived by Radical Zionists. Defying and despising Christianity that came up with Jesus or whoever that Jewish preacher was, as a counter to Judaism and it's vile God Jehovah.

For my conviction Jesus NEVER claimed to be Jehovah's son - that is a Gospel story written a century later and more by those who tried to enforce a clear separation between Judaism (OT) and what is later termed Christianity. (NT).

 

[frigidweirdo]

"Thou shalt not kill" etymology in Hebrew is about lying in wait to ambush and murder a human being without warning. You extended it to animals, and that's your prerogative, but the Commandments don't. I extend it to plants. My tomatoes, peppers, chives, and other herbs tremble in fear every time I pass by. Which one of them will be next? One of life's hardest lessons: In order for one to live, something else must die.

In any case, religion is not so much focused on good or bad as it is focused on love--wanting what is best for the other. It is about God--knowing, loving, serving God and his ways--being given first priority in one's life. It's learning to love as he loves--i.e., beyond self.

My point was that "good and bad" a subjective. Seems you agree.

Christianity claims to be about love, I don't think other religions are about love.

The problem is many Christians go around hating on people, using the Bible as a way of hating, like gay people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Atheism: No belief in God.

I'd say that Atheism is believing that there is no God or gods. It's a belief system.
Non-religious is when someone just doesn't care. There's no belief there. It's just, meh.

 

[MarathonMike]

Atheism: No belief in God.

Yes but it's more than than that. Not just no belief in the Christian God, it's no belief in any deity and a firm belief that the Universe with all of it's intricate balance and order and biological life sprung out of space dust.

 

[Kruska]

Christianity claims to be about love, I don't think other religions are about love.

Buddhism is heavily focused on love, but it defines love as a universal, selfless state of mind, rather than possessive romantic attachment. It emphasizes cultivating loving-kindness, compassion, joy, and equanimity for all beings without expectation of return, which brings true happiness and reduces suffering.

And Atheism isn't just some belief system like religion - but atheists base their conviction onto scientific proof and research.

 

[Kruska]

Yes but it's more than than that. Not just no belief in the Christian God, it's no belief in any deity and a firm belief that the Universe with all of it's intricate balance and order and biological life sprung out of space dust.

Never came across an Atheist who is into science, and would have claimed that biological life sprung out of space dust.

It's religious folks that believe that a God took some wet space dust, aka mud/clay to form a human. and breathed live and a soul into that mud-figure.

 

[pal]

Atheism: No belief in God.

Atheism: Believe in politics, music or sports.

 

[MarathonMike]

Atheism: Believe in politics, music or sports.

And magic.

 

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Atheism: No belief in God.

I never did like saying it that way because it's not in the affirmative. It doesn't tell you what they believe. It tells you what they don't believe. The affirmative way of saying it is that atheists only believe in a material existence. That there is nothing beyond the material world. Which is where it gets hard for them. Of course there is something beyond the material world. It would be idiotic to believe there was nothing beyond the material world. Science says there is something beyond the material world. Science just can't define what it is. That is the realm of philosophy.