A modern Quisling

[Old Rocks]

I don't have to refute it, I simply laugh at it and am reminded how deluded and brainwashed humans can be. It does not bother me in the least to know that there are gullible humans incapable of critical thinking. I've know that for 50 years or more.

Yep you surely do know how gullible humans are, you look into the mirror every day.

 

[Old Rocks]

Trump negotiated a framework for talks. Zalensky does not want to agree to that framework which is meant to be a starting place just to get the parties to sit down and talk. The only reason Zalensky still has a country is because of U.S. arms shipments so he has to decide whether or not to accept this framework or risk losing arms shipments.

You lying little bastard. You totally ignore the fact that Russia has outright rejected that framework. And it is a framework of surrender, not negotiation.

 

[Leo123]

You lying little bastard. You totally ignore the fact that Russia has outright rejected that framework. And it is a framework of surrender, not negotiation.

Screw off rock head. Putin knows that Trump holds all the cards. Trump is throwing bait just to get Putin to the table. Idiots like you with incurable TDS can't think beyond 'Orange Man Bad.'

 

[jknowgood]

Kicked Obama's ass? WTF are you talking about? He never ran against Obama. And President Obama received over 50% of the vote twice, Trump never achieved that once. Yes, there were a lot more voters in 2016, 2020, and 2024. But the malodorous mango still could not get over 50% of the vote.

Biden supposedly got two million more votes than Obama did. So yes, he kicked Obama's ass.

 

[Cassandro]

You lying little bastard. You totally ignore the fact that Russia has outright rejected that framework. And it is a framework of surrender, not negotiation.

So Russia rejected a Ukrainian surrender? Brilliant analysis.

 

[theHawk]

Trump is once again pushing Ukraine to give in to all of Russia's demands, and do so by Thanksgiving. Ukraine is on the verge of denying the Russian military on the front lines food and ammunition from it's strikes on the Russian transportation infrastructure. It is already denying a significant portion of Russia heating gas and oil, as well as vehicle fuel. So, Trump to the rescue of Putin's insane invasion. From the lessons of WW2, we already know what giving in to the demands of an aggressive dictator leads to.

MSN

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Can you lay out what Russia’s demands are?

 

[theHawk]

Not sure if they are still going off this original plan, but most of it makes sense to me:

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

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21. Territories:

• Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
• Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
• Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone,

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/20/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-28-points-russia

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is once again pushing Ukraine to give in to all of Russia's demands, and do so by Thanksgiving. Ukraine is on the verge of denying the Russian military on the front lines food and ammunition from it's strikes on the Russian transportation infrastructure. It is already denying a significant portion of Russia heating gas and oil, as well as vehicle fuel. So, Trump to the rescue of Putin's insane invasion. From the lessons of WW2, we already know what giving in to the demands of an aggressive dictator leads to.

MSN

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Jebus

History eludes so many on the left.

Quising betrayed his own country, Norway.

I don't know it is possible to "betray" another country that one has no mutual defense treaty with, but by no definition is Trump looking for ways to bring peace to the area a "betrayal."

It is the rest of Europe that is betraying Ukraine, by encouraging them to keep the war going at the cost of the lives of their young men and civilians caught in the crossfire. Meanwhile, Europe and European nations have exactly zero intention of giving Ukraine help to actually win the war.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump is a traitor to the free world, again siding with his idol, Vlad

Wow, mutant TDS. Trump should be flattered that he triggers so many artists to spend so much time on their mommy's computer in their underpants down in their parent's basement dreaming up all these creative and imaginative memes.

No, Biden was the traitor, first he caused the war to begin with--- two weeks after he tried to bluff Putin with a lot of poopy talk that the man could not back up, Putin went to war. Then Biden committed 600 billion dollars and unlimited future funds in perpetuity to maintain the war in one massive money laundering operation for the democrats, which of course, Joe got his 10%. Why Zelenskyy admitted that he never saw half the money.

Then Biden conspired to have that gas pipeline to the EU destroyed. Finally, Joe pardoned himself of all crimes for the past decade. And the war goes on. The whole thing has happened between Biden's and Obumma's watch.

Every tax paying person in this country has footed $2,500 towards that war, exactly the same amount Obumma promised to save us. But Obumma didn't, so that is $5,000 every taxpayer is out due to these two, then consider that Biden's inflation has cost the average American another $5,000 in additional living costs and pretty soon, we could have owned a small house or a nice yacht for what democrats have cost us.

 

[theHawk]

You lying little bastard. You totally ignore the fact that Russia has outright rejected that framework. And it is a framework of surrender, not negotiation.

You’re the liar.

Zelensky is refusing to give up the Donbas region:

However, Zelenskyy made clear that on the key issue of the Donbas region – which Russia is seeking to control in its entirety, including areas it has not yet occupied – Ukraine saw no change in the Russian position, adding: “They want our Donbas. And we do not want to give away our Donbas

Zelensky is delusional if he thinks Russia should give up Donbas.

 

[theHawk]

So Russia rejected a Ukrainian surrender? Brilliant analysis.

Old Cucks is not the sharpest tool in the shed.


A tool, no doubt….just not the sharpest.

 

[toobfreak]

Zelensky is delusional if he thinks Russia should give up Donbas.

And we all know Putin never will. Not if he has to go to war for another 30 years. All the stupid whiny little ***** Zelenskyy is doing is screwing himself, because, like the Palestinians and the Corleones, this is just about the best deal Zelenskyy is ever going to get. Putin does not offer twice. If Zelenskyy screws this up, the next deal will be for even less as Putin insists on taking more.

If Zelenskyy wants his Donbas, he is going to have to defeat the largest, nuclear-armed country in the world from his little mailbox country.