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[The Irish Ram]

You got it from who? From John? Who is John? You claim "God says it is necessary to sit at His table". I can't find anything written by Him. So .... John said that Jesus said that God said .......
If Cougarbear said that Clairebell said that Luisa said you're an idiot - should I believe her, him, or someone else?

Do you believe that Julius Cesar lived and ruled Rome? I can't find anything written by him.
He was born around 100 BC. His story wasn't put together until centuries later, drawing on eyewitness accounts and ancient portions of writings means someone said that someone said that Cesar said, et tu brute. Most think that those were Julius' famous last words. But, that would be Shakespeare in the 1600's that said that someone said that Julius said...
What you know about Julius Cesar was written by historians and biographers working between the first and third centuries CE, these texts drew on earlier records, eyewitness traditions, and, in some cases, official archives.
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Same thing with Jesus...

And when I reference scripture I am saying that John said that Jesus said by naming who said it and where you can find that he said it:
John<who 14:9< where. Reiterating that it's John saying that Jesus says, is redundant and unnecessary.

Faith in what John tells us in John 14:9 is up to the individual to believe or not...

 

[GLASNOST]

..... You claim "God says it is necessary to sit at His table". I can't find anything written by Him. So .... John said that Jesus said that God said .......
If Cougarbear said that Clairebell said that Luisa said you're an idiot - should I believe her, him, or someone else?

Do you believe that Julius Cesar lived and ruled Rome? I can't find anything written by him....

I have no specific reason to doubt historical accounts of Roman leaders who left their mark upon the earth by their deeds and decree. However, I have all the reason in the world to doubt that a ghost, a man, or a spirit (that left no mark upon the earth) was resurrected from the dead. Superstition and hokus-pokus do not impress me. Knowing that you believe such nonsense doesn't bother me but it very much bothers you that I don’t.

 

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I have no specific reason to doubt historical accounts of Roman leaders who left their mark upon the earth by their deeds and decree. However, I have all the reason in the world to doubt that a ghost, a man, or a spirit (that left no mark upon the earth) was resurrected from the dead. Superstition and hokus-pokus do not impress me. Knowing that you believe such nonsense doesn't bother me but it very much bothers you that I don’t.

Oh come on. You expect me to believe that? You obsess over Jesus more than anyone here. It's quite funny how much space Jesus occupies in your head.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I have no specific reason to doubt historical accounts of Roman leaders who left their mark upon the earth by their deeds and decree. However, I have all the reason in the world to doubt that a ghost, a man, or a spirit (that left no mark upon the earth) was resurrected from the dead. Superstition and hokus-pokus do not impress me. Knowing that you believe such nonsense doesn't bother me but it very much bothers you that I don’t.

Nope. Your walk is your walk. It has nothing to do with me.
Why do you doubt the historical accounts of Christ? Would you believe the Roman soldiers that witnessed Christ's resurrection.

 

[Cougarbear]

It is the praise of God, not Jesus.

By bypassing the Creator of Heaven and Earth, Christianity is the anti-God. Worshipping Jesus instead of God is a Cult.

Yep! Islam is the antithesis-Christ. Thanks for agreeing. All your god has done and is doing is creating death and destruction.

 

[GLASNOST]

Why do you doubt the historical accounts of Christ?

Why are you willing to believe superstitious hokus-pokus? Actually, my question to you is a rhetorical one because I know why you are willing to believe it: It is your weakness in trust.

Would you believe the Roman soldiers that witnessed Christ's resurrection.

NO ONE has witnessed any resurrection.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Koran is the praise of God, not Jesus.

By bypassing the Creator of Heaven and Earth, Christianity is the anti-God. Worshipping Jesus instead of God is a Cult.

Yep! Islam is the antithesis-Christ. Thanks for agreeing.

No, Islam is not the antithesis-Christ. Islam is the belief in one God. It is you (Christians) who blaspheme that God by claiming there are three Gods .... Christ being one of them.

All your god has done and is doing is creating death and destruction.

What? Does your church encourage the sort of absurd behaviour you are displaying right now?

 

[MarathonMike]

So it doesn't open with a doctrine, it opens with a "invitation" (command) to get to know Christ.

In other words, a doctrine.

And from there, the simple message evolved into a church and doctrine and plural marriage and then not plural marriage and tithing and secret underwear and temples and getting your very own planet when you die. The religion basically jumped the shark.

This is why I can't go along with any religion. My relationship with God doesn't depend on a book or a church or an invitation or anything. It exists all on its own.

Oh, and there is 200 years of evidence that Smith made up the book of Mormon in his head. Reformed Egyptian is not a thing. His known mistranslation of Egyptian hieroglyphics (aka the Joseph Smith Papyri - Wikipedia) and fictitious Book of Joseph and Book of Abraham are all you need to know to understand the man was a fraud.

I can't help but notice the strong similarities between the origins of Islam and the origins of Mormonism. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[GLASNOST]

I can't help but notice the strong similarities between the origins of Islam and the origins of Mormonism. I'll just leave it at that.

I might agree with you except for the street-corner, missionary, intrusive door-knocking of the Mormons. I've never witnessed a Moslem publicly try to convert anyone.

 

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I might agree with you except for the street-corner, missionary, intrusive door-knocking of the Mormons. I've never witnessed a Moslem publicly try to convert anyone.

An atheist stumping for Islam is indeed a funny sight to behold.

 

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Why are you willing to believe superstitious hokus-pokus? Actually, my question to you is a rhetorical one because I know why you are willing to believe it: It is your weakness in trust.

NO ONE has witnessed any resurrection.

The gospels make a concerted effort to portray the resurrection as an historical event. How do you explain that, Mohamed Dawkins?

 

[Cougarbear]

No, Islam is not the antithesis-Christ. Islam is the belief in one God. It is you (Christians) who blaspheme that God by claiming there are three Gods .... Christ being one of them.

What? Does your church encourage the sort of absurd behaviour you are displaying right now?

Yours flew planes into buildings and killed 3000 American. Hand glided into Israel and killed 1200 women and children. The antithesis of Jesus Christ, member of the one Godhead.

 

[GLASNOST]

No, Islam is not the antithesis-Christ. Islam is the belief in one God. It is you (Christians) who blaspheme that God by claiming there are three Gods .... Christ being one of them.

Yours flew planes into buildings and killed 3000 American. Hand glided into Israel and killed 1200 women and children.

Which one is that?

The antithesis of Jesus Christ, member of the one Godhead.

Jews and Moslems believe in one God. Christians believe in three Gods and Mormons believe that every member of your church will become Gods. Never mind antithesis of Jesus Christ. Yours is anti-God.

 

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Which one is that?

Jews and Moslems believe in one God. Christians believe in three Gods and Mormons believe that every member of your church will become Gods. Never mind antithesis of Jesus Christ. Yours is anti-God.
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Mohamed Dawkins has spoken.

 

[Cougarbear]

Which one is that?

Jews and Moslems believe in one God. Christians believe in three Gods and Mormons believe that every member of your church will become Gods. Never mind antithesis of Jesus Christ. Yours is anti-God.
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It can only be anti-god if God says so. He doesn’t. He says you have interpreted his words incorrectly and must repent. Psalms 82:6 says God said we are all gods in embryo as we are his children. Because there is a Son God and a Holy Ghost God doesn’t mean the Father God is replaced. And, it’s Father a God’s decision if he wants a Godhead of three. You are not the arbitrator to decide this.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jews and Moslems believe in one God. Christians believe in three Gods and Mormons believe that every member of your church will become Gods. Never mind antithesis of Jesus Christ. Yours is anti-God.

It can only be anti-god if God says so.

Correct.

He doesn’t.

Yes, He does say so.

He says you have interpreted his words incorrectly

No, God never said that.

Psalms 82:6 says God said we are all gods in embryo as we are his children.

Yes, Psalsms 82:6 says that but God doesn't say that.

You are not the arbitrator to decide this.

Correct again! I am not the arbitrator to decide it. God, and God alone, is the arbitrator. I don't know where you are getting your information from but you've been fed some God-awful lies. I think you should repent before it's too late and you'll end up in a place where no one wants to go after death.

 

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I am not the arbitrator to decide it. God, and God alone, is the arbitrator.

That sounds like an odd thing for an atheist to say.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why are you willing to believe superstitious hokus-pokus? Actually, my question to you is a rhetorical one because I know why you are willing to believe it: It is your weakness in trust.

NO ONE has witnessed any resurrection.

Hundreds did.
There was a man who was outstanding in his reputation. He was well-educated and trustworthy. He was upheld as an honest individual. His name was Nicodemus. He was an eyewitness to everything that happened once Jesus was arrested. His official act was to take accurate minutes of the events that night. He covered the trials, the breaking of Jewish laws to persecute Christ, the names of the thieves that flanked Christ on the right and the left. He told us the name of the Roman who ran a spear through Christ's side. But what Nicodemus covered in the events following Christ's death is stunning.

He gave a copy of his minutes to the Temple Priests, and to Pilate. It was disputed by none of the participants. The Temple copy burned when the Temple was destroyed. Pilates' copy was kept in Pilates' Roman Praetorium until it was discovered and translated into Greek long afterward. It was erroneously called the Acts of Pilate, until later renamed for the original author, Nicodemus.
He also recounted the return of Christ, and how many came back with Christ and included the names of the Temple priests that witnessed the return. He also named the formally dead priests who returned alive and well and were taken to the Temple and interrogated separately. What their testimony revealed was recorded by Nicodemus.

Considering the people that the documented minutes were given to, who took part in the affair, if they were just outlandish lies, Nicodemus would have been outed as a fraud. Instead, his account was preserved for posterity. It is a wealth of mind-blowing information.

 

[GLASNOST]

NO ONE has witnessed any resurrection.

Hundreds did.

That is a lie and the fact that you know it's a lie makes you an accomplice. You are guilty.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I tend not to trade insults when posting. There isn't a bit of my post you can refute, nor can you explain the philosophers of the time who tried to make sense of the darkness that fell at noon while Christ was on the cross. I trust ancient scrolls and tablets, and those that witnessed events and wrote about them.
All you can say is Na uh...