Zone1 Does this bother Catholics?

[The Irish Ram]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.
The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to me that the Pope has made his choice in the next war...

 

[MarcATL]

Good on him.

 

[Meriweather]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.
The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to me that the Pope has made his choice in the next war...

The reason this does not bother me is that it is a gesture of hospitality and interfaith outreach. It is not in anyway a political statement. The Vatican library has ancient copies of the Qur'an, and it is not unusual for Muslim scholars to have permission to study these ancient books. It is simple hospitality to provide a room for prayer as it is customary for those of the Muslim faith to pray five times a day.

I'll also add that the Vatican also assisted those of the Jewish faith during second World War. It is not uncommon for all faiths
to provide sanctuary for those in need. I've not studied this particular matter, so I know nothing of the rationalization of those who made the decision at that time.

 

[toobfreak]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.

Well, some mosques like the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem has a meeting room for the Knights Templar in it, so maybe this isn't so rare and crazy an event as you think?

The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America.

There's actually a LOT of evidence that many top Nazis including maybe Hitler himself actually made it down to Argentina.

 

[Votto]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.
The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to me that the Pope has made his choice in the next war...

The Catholic church failed to publicly condemn the Holocaust in order to preserve their precious Vatican and its treasures

 

[Hafar1014]

The reason this does not bother me is that it is a gesture of hospitality and interfaith outreach. It is not in anyway a political statement. The Vatican library has ancient copies of the Qur'an, and it is not unusual for Muslim scholars to have permission to study these ancient books. It is simple hospitality to provide a room for prayer as it is customary for those of the Muslim faith to pray five times a day.

I'll also add that the Vatican also assisted those of the Jewish faith during second World War. It is not uncommon for all faiths
to provide sanctuary for those in need. I've not studied this particular matter, so I know nothing of the rationalization of those who made the decision at that time.

The Vatican never helped the Jews. The pope signed concordat with Hitler and were allies with the Grand Mufti a Muslim leader who hated Jews.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.
The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to me that the Pope has made his choice in the next war...

Yeah, while the Catholics are praying the Muslims can come in and stab them in the back for Allah. Would that finally wake the Christians up to stop the spread of a religion of EVIL?

 

[JGalt]

He criticizes us and accommodates Muslims.
The Vatican has been accused of being pro Nazi during the war and even that they helped some Nazis escape to South America. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to me that the Pope has made his choice in the next war...

Aside from their stance against abortion, the Vatican is spineless, woke, and misguided. You cannot have an interfaith dialog with Islam, the only thing it wants is unconditional surrender.

 

[Meriweather]

The Catholic church failed to publicly condemn the Holocaust in order to preserve their precious Vatican and its treasures

Pope Pius XI (1937) condemned the racists and totalitarianism of Nazism (see Encyclical if you wish)
During the war, the Vatican and local bishops issued official protests against deportation of Jews. They also secretly housed and helped many Jews.

Also: Modern scholars reject the idea that the public condemning of the Holocaust did not take place in order to preserve treasures.

 

[Meriweather]

The Vatican never helped the Jews. The pope signed concordat with Hitler and were allies with the Grand Mufti a Muslim leader who hated Jews.

A little research will tell you how the Vatican did help the Jews. You can argue not enough was done if you wish, recognizing no one did enough, but many did all that they could.

 

[BreezeWood]

look who's complaining ...

the desert dwellers could not have enough of slavery from their beginnings through the centuries and would have them presently if enough secular gov'ts had not put an end to their vicious addiction ...

- as just one example for the anti-woke crowd that has never seen a persecution or victimization of the innocent they have not cherished in their vial hearts for as long as they are possibly able to do so.

 

[Hafar1014]

A little research will tell you how the Vatican did help the Jews. You can argue not enough was done if you wish, recognizing no one did enough, but many did all that they could.

Individual priests did but the Vatican also helped NAZIs escape to Argentina. They tried to play both sides and never excommunicated a single NAZI

 

[JGalt]

Pope Pius XI (1937) condemned the racists and totalitarianism of Nazism (see Encyclical if you wish)
During the war, the Vatican and local bishops issued official protests against deportation of Jews. They also secretly housed and helped many Jews.

Also: Modern scholars reject the idea that the public condemning of the Holocaust did not take place in order to preserve treasures.

Only because Pius XI didn't like Hitler. Pope Pius XI was initially friendly and cooperative with Mussolini, viewing him as a strong leader who could restore order and combat Bolshevism. This pragmatic alliance culminated in the 1929 Lateran Treaty, which restored Vatican sovereignty. However, their relationship deteriorated significantly by the late 1930s over fascist interference and Mussolini's alliance with Hitler.

 

[Hafar1014]

Only because Pius XI didn't like Hitler. Pope Pius XI was initially friendly and cooperative with Mussolini, viewing him as a strong leader who could restore order and combat Bolshevism. This pragmatic alliance culminated in the 1929 Lateran Treaty, which restored Vatican sovereignty. However, their relationship deteriorated significantly by the late 1930s over fascist interference and Mussolini's alliance with Hitler.

The Reichskonkordat is a treaty between the Vatican and Nazi Germany signed on July 20, 1933, by Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII) and German Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen. It guaranteed the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany but effectively neutralized political Catholic opposition to Adolf Hitler’s regime. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Key Details & Timeline

• Signing Date: July 20, 1933
• Architects: Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (Vatican Secretary of State) and Franz von Papen (German Vice Chancellor).
• Preceding Events: Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Shortly after, the Catholic Centre Party supported the Enabling Act, giving Hitler quasi-dictatorial powers. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Terms of the Agreement

• Concessions by the Vatican: The Church agreed to forbid clergy from engaging in political party activities and officially recognized the Nazi regime. [1, 2]
• Concessions by Nazi Germany: The state guaranteed the freedom to practice the Catholic religion, the operation of Catholic schools, and the protection of church property. [1]

Historical Impact & Controversy

• Legitimacy for the Nazis: The treaty was a major diplomatic victory for Hitler, helping to consolidate his internal power by removing Catholic opposition and giving moral legitimacy to the new regime on the international stage. [1, 2, 3]
• Nazi Violations: The Nazi regime breached the concordat almost immediately via continuous harassment of Catholic organizations, youth groups, and clergy. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[Votto]

Pope Pius XI (1937) condemned the racists and totalitarianism of Nazism (see Encyclical if you wish)
During the war, the Vatican and local bishops issued official protests against deportation of Jews. They also secretly housed and helped many Jews.

Also: Modern scholars reject the idea that the public condemning of the Holocaust did not take place in order to preserve treasures.

Then if it was not to preserve their treasure and their very lives, why did they not publicly condemn the Holocaust?

You are backing yourself into a corner here.

Compare the fate of the Vatican during WW2 to that of the 12 apostles who gave their lives and all that they had for the truth.

Also include the early church before the Vatican existed as they were thrown to the lions.

 

[Meriweather]

Then if it was not to preserve their treasure and their very lives, why did they not publicly condemn the Holocaust?

You are backing yourself into a corner here.

Compare the fate of the Vatican during WW2 to that of the 12 apostles who gave their lives and all that they had for the truth.

Also include the early church before the Vatican existed as they were thrown to the lions.

As I mentioned earlier, I have not done the in depth, but I've done enough to know, neither have you. One would have to get into the government rulers and what their positions were. For example, someone had the responsibility for the safety of Vatican City--probably more than one someone. Keeping Vatican City safe and with its own rule/power was/is paramount especially in the time of war. Second, Vatican City tries to stay neutral with all the world's governments.

As you can see, Vatican City has been criticized for not saying enough regarding World War II. Versus: Vatican City has been criticized for saying too much about the Iran war. The primary purpose of the Vatican is spiritual welfare, not political welfare, and you can imagine that's quite a tight rope to navigate. As I am not all that interested in the politics of the Vatican, I know the bare minimum--just enough to know most people do not bother to go very far in depth about what Vatican City was doing during WWII. It was doing far more than you are willing to accept, but there is still the question of should they have done more?

Neither Jesus nor any of the Apostles were involved in the politics of their time. Further, while being thrown to the lions (and other animals) did happen, it was far less than the later hype made it out to be.