A Look at the Senate Democrats' JOBS & INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR AMERICA’S WORKERS

[Slade3200]

That’s an interesting perspective. Let’s try looking at it this way... people get sick, they suffer and they die... it doesn’t matter if they are rich or poor, insured or not, they need treatment. We are the richest nation on earth so you tell me what do we do... do we treat the sick and suffering or not... if we do how do we pay for it?

I have no problem with treating the sick. What I have a problem with is setting up a system where someone can totally fail to take care of themselves for decades...smoking...eating a terrible diet...never working out...and then when their health fails "society" for some reason needs to step in and SAVE them! Explain to me why my healthcare should be through the roof to pay for treatment for THOSE idiots when I've done none of those bad things and my health is good?

Because of this reason.
you're paying for profits, not healthcare.

You obviously haven't been paying attention, Slade because they HAVE used reconciliation to repeal ACA subsidies, taxes and penalties. As for replacing it with something that works better? That wouldn't be hard since the ACA was designed by liberals to fail in the first place. What's going to be hard is giving people huge subsidies, letting them still sign up for insurance even though they have pre-existing conditions while not bankrupting the US! You liberals GAVE people goodies without paying for them. You broke it...YOU FIX IT!

That’s an interesting perspective. Let’s try looking at it this way... people get sick, they suffer and they die... it doesn’t matter if they are rich or poor, insured or not, they need treatment. We are the richest nation on earth so you tell me what do we do... do we treat the sick and suffering or not... if we do how do we pay for it?

I have no problem with treating the sick. What I have a problem with is setting up a system where someone can totally fail to take care of themselves for decades...smoking...eating a terrible diet...never working out...and then when their health fails "society" for some reason needs to step in and SAVE them! Explain to me why my healthcare should be through the roof to pay for treatment for THOSE idiots when I've done none of those bad things and my health is good?

I agree.

I've never used my benefits. I've paid for them my whole working life.

Under the ACA my costs went up by 60% while my tax money went to take care of idiots who couldn't or wouldn't take care of themselves.

Our country is loaded with freeloaders and we will be suffering with them as long as idiots run this country.

Did your healthcare costs go up during the 10 years before the ACA? If so by how much?

Sure they went up at a very miniscule amount. In fact most of the time the costs stayed the same. When I first started working my benefits cost all of 4.50 cents a week.

The ACA put a strain on everyone who has benefits that they pay for. As I said. Mine went up by 60% and I'm not the only one.

Have you gone back and looked? What did you pay in 2000? What did you pay in 2008?

Looking at historical charts of premium growth rates Obamacare didn’t have this crazy acceleration that conservatives say it did. There was a spike in 2011 but then a big drop in the growth rate that fell below what the growth rate was in the early 2000s.

I do agree that the plan was marketed by obama to save much more then it actually does. I think they were projecting to get many more people on the exchanges.

 

[deanrd]

Trump has a "Southern Strategy" infrastructure plan.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump has a "Southern Strategy" infrastructure plan.

These signs were most of Obama's shovel ready work, eh?

 

[danielpalos]

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs in the US. First worlds are expensive.

Higher paid labor simply spends more and pays more in taxes.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs in the US.

Exactly! Screw those low skilled losers, eh comrade?

Higher paid labor simply spends more and pays more in taxes.

Yup. Rich folks will do fine, even if idiot libs keep screwing over the poor.

Higher paid labor creates more demand and consumes more, and pays more in taxes.

Cutting off the bottom rungs of the job ladder means fewer jobs, less demand, less supply, less taxes.

the minimum wage is still the minimum wage. and, higher paid labor creates more demand, pays more in consumption, and other local taxes.

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs in the US.

Exactly! Screw those low skilled losers, eh comrade?

Higher paid labor simply spends more and pays more in taxes.

Yup. Rich folks will do fine, even if idiot libs keep screwing over the poor.

Higher paid labor creates more demand and consumes more, and pays more in taxes.

Cutting off the bottom rungs of the job ladder means fewer jobs, less demand, less supply, less taxes.

the minimum wage is still the minimum wage. and, higher paid labor creates more demand, pays more in consumption, and other local taxes.

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

 

[danielpalos]

Higher paid labor creates more demand and consumes more, and pays more in taxes.

Cutting off the bottom rungs of the job ladder means fewer jobs, less demand, less supply, less taxes.

the minimum wage is still the minimum wage. and, higher paid labor creates more demand, pays more in consumption, and other local taxes.

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cutting off the bottom rungs of the job ladder means fewer jobs, less demand, less supply, less taxes.

the minimum wage is still the minimum wage. and, higher paid labor creates more demand, pays more in consumption, and other local taxes.

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

 

[danielpalos]

the minimum wage is still the minimum wage. and, higher paid labor creates more demand, pays more in consumption, and other local taxes.

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

higher paid labor spends more and pays more in taxes and infrastructure costs.

 

[danielpalos]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs. How many times do you need to be told?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The supply and demand curve still works.
That's why your "idea" is moronic.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

higher paid labor spends more and pays more in taxes and infrastructure costs.

Yes, you've made clear your ignorance of economics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs. How many times do you need to be told?

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs.

Screw the poor workers, eh comrade?

 

[Slade3200]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

I’m curious, do you see any need for a minimum wage?

 

[danielpalos]

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics.

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

higher paid labor spends more and pays more in taxes and infrastructure costs.

Yes, you've made clear your ignorance of economics.

what ignorance? a positive multiplier effect is what i am referring to, right winger.

 

[danielpalos]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs. How many times do you need to be told?

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs.

Screw the poor workers, eh comrade?

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, can make it up to them.

 

[danielpalos]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

I’m curious, do you see any need for a minimum wage?

yes, because social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour; why subsidize the rich?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

higher paid labor spends more and pays more in taxes and infrastructure costs.

Yes, you've made clear your ignorance of economics.

what ignorance? a positive multiplier effect is what i am referring to, right winger.

What happens to demand when the price of labor increases?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs. How many times do you need to be told?

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs.

Screw the poor workers, eh comrade?

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, can make it up to them.

Yes, poor unemployed workers will enjoy the $15 an hour they can't earn.

 

[danielpalos]

fiat. Congress fixes weights and measures for the Union.

Yup. Derpity derp.

higher paid labor spends more and pays more in taxes and infrastructure costs.

Yes, you've made clear your ignorance of economics.

what ignorance? a positive multiplier effect is what i am referring to, right winger.

What happens to demand when the price of labor increases?

we are talking command economics to "move the goal posts". The minimum wage is still, the minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

Tell me again how mandating higher wages for unskilled worker increases GDP. LOL!

Yes, it's amazing that liberals won't consider the undeniable evidence that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose minimum-wage jobs. I saw this firsthand as a teen when I worked at a car wash. Even Warren Buffet has said that raising the minimum wage costs jobs and that the Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. But, as with so many other issues, liberals can't look beyond the surface of this issue. All they see is more pay for minimum-wage workers without considering the cost and any alternatives.

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs. How many times do you need to be told?

we don't care if we lose low wage jobs.

Screw the poor workers, eh comrade?

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, can make it up to them.

Yes, poor unemployed workers will enjoy the $15 an hour they can't earn.

they should have recourse to unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hour, as an opportunity cost to means tested welfare as a social safety net.