A Handgun Against An Army – Ten Years After

[occupied]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.

Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?

It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.

Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.

Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.

You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.

That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...

Americans didn't reject republicanism but they did have something to say about your hard right stupidity and horrible president.

 

[JGalt]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.

Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?

It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.

Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.

Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.

You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.

That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...

Americans didn't reject republicanism but they did have something to say about your hard right stupidity and horrible president.

Dope. Those Republicans who flipped House seat to red were all for the most part Trump-supporters. Just how out of touch are you, anyway?

 

[occupied]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.

Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?

It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.

Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.

Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.

You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.

That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...

Americans didn't reject republicanism but they did have something to say about your hard right stupidity and horrible president.

Dope. Those Republicans who flipped House seat to red were all for the most part Trump-supporters. Just how out of touch are you, anyway?

Do you really think they are Trump supporters or are they just political opportunists like Trump? You don't have to take my word for it but even you will dump him as soon as another hard right asshole emerges to lead you. Aren't you getting a little tired of playing defense? Don't you secretly wish you could go back to just attacking everything? Dumping and disavowing Trump for some new leader offers you that opportunity.

 

[JGalt]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.

Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?

It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.

Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.

Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.

You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.

That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...

Americans didn't reject republicanism but they did have something to say about your hard right stupidity and horrible president.

Dope. Those Republicans who flipped House seat to red were all for the most part Trump-supporters. Just how out of touch are you, anyway?

Do you really think they are Trump supporters or are they just political opportunists like Trump? You don't have to take my word for it but even you will dump him as soon as another hard right asshole emerges to lead you. Aren't you getting a little tired of playing defense? Don't you secretly wish you could go back to just attacking everything? Dumping and disavowing Trump for some new leader offers you that opportunity.

Trump is the face of the Republican Party, there is no room in the party for any of those who oppose him. We who support him are now the official political "counter-culture", as opposed to your party, and those "Republican" lackeys who support it.

Thanks to President Trump, the establishment Democrat Party and their RINO "Republican" bootlickers have become the party of out of touch, antiquated, and useless dinosaurs. They have no new ideas, no new plans, and no new solutions except for doing the same things they've been doing for decades, over and over.

 

[Rigby5]

Public schools, transportation, health care, etc., is not "interferring".
Everyone wants those things.
The only way to provide them is through government.

How do you know that?

Because they can not be done for profit fairly.
We tried private schooling, private toll roads, etc., and it not only did not work, but was very unfair.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

“What Good Can A Handgun Do Against an Army?”

A friend of mine forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed:

“If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I’m not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I’m just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)”

If I may, I’d like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one to which I have given much research and considerable thought. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives.

My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership told me once:

“If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied – MBV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

Note well that phrase: “and the will to use it,” for the simply-stated question, “What good can a handgun do against an army?”, is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully.

It is a military question.

It is also a political question.

But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves.

First, let’s answer the military question.

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Interesting article and even more interesting sentiments/ideas. please allow me to add some hardcore realism to this discussion in hopes of not sounding like an arrogant prick, although and sometimes according to my wife, I was born to be just that.

The United States Army will not be coming for us, individually, for many years to come, to oppress us and/or haul us off to concentration camps. Who WILL be coming for us imminently, should we refuse quarantine lockdown orders and/or to take the vaccine, is the police—local, state and federal combined. There are two fundamental differences between the "cops" and regular army soldiers. Listen up because they are not "pretty" or pleasant differences. Soldiers are trained, prepared, intended and mandated (by our Constitution and other pesky regs) to engage and kill foreign enemy combatants 99% of the time when they are deployed with live ammunition. Their use as a domestic occupational police force is both next to unheard of and extremely rare and can come only with very specific Presidential or Executive authorizations. Got it? Good.

The police or law enforcement on the other hand, are trained, prepared, intended to and mandated to view us, the American People as THE ENEMY, or as a perpetual potential enemy. American soldiers must obey very specific ROE or Rules of Engagement even during SHTF engagements on foreign soil. Cops . . . well, cops are an entirely different story. There's not a goddamned thing preventing a cop from opening fire on any one of us "free" Americans at any time, anywhere, any place. In other words, cops are fully licensed to kill any one of us at the drop of a hat for nearly any reason. Sure—after an officer involved shooting investigations will be conducted and the shooter cop could be prosecuted or lose his badge. But that won't matter in the long run, because you or someone you love will still be dead.

Sounds like I am making cops out to be the supreme enemy of the American People, huh? Well, no not really. Look, in my small business I work very closely with law enforcement in a training and advisory role. In one local county here in Maryland I work with a police force 2000 members strong that is not a city department. In effect this county department is a small army in every sense of the word. They've got over 1800 "foot soldiers" all of them mobile, a small fleet of rotary aircraft, armored vehicles, SWAT commandos, rapid-reaction special weapon teams, and many other "surprises" and all of it is ready to respond to kill local county citizens if need be. They are, if you live in this county, the force that will come for you IF the county government wants to crush you, kill you, imprison, detain or reeducate you on the dangers of COVID-19 or whatever else.

The good news in all of this is that there aren't enough cops in most local departments, county or city wide, to "herd" up all local citizens. The bad news is there doesn't have to be. Because the way the local police are "wired" is to swiftly make examples of any small "uprisings" of the local population. These examples are meant to deter larger resistance and it almost always works. Even worse news? Failing to contain an uprising with available assets local police departments WILL call in backup from neighboring PDs, state police and, if need be, federal law enforcement agencies. Essentially you'd be facing an army of infinite size—all of it connected by state of the art instant communication.

But let us return to the substance of your article in closing. If a citizen joins a citizen's resistance group, uses his handgun to appropriate better weaponry, then he or she will not only be hounded by hundreds of cops out for vengeance but also be vilified by the media and be viewed by his or her fellow Americans as a criminal at best, a terrorist at worst. Resistance itself here in America isn't impossible by any means. However, convincing fellow Americans that your cause is justified or getting them to join in with you damn near is.

All in all I agree: the armed citizen is a full citizen through and through. However, the weapon the citizen is armed with is much less important than the mettle of the citizen himself. Anyone can pick up a pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle and point it in the enemy's general direction. Not everyone or many people at all can eliminate an enemy without hesitation or survive their first enemy contact.

Oh absolutely
Indeed sir
Indeed
Great points
We don't say stay grey for nothing...and I tragically lost all my guns in a boating accident lol especially these days...that and .......make those local lists for yourselves



But also like the military ...if it gets real crazy.....local county law enforcement ....

Today they refuse to enforce Thanksgiving decress or Many a country sheriff would refuse gun confiscation ....or some other draconian prog law .......counties in upstate NY and out west in Washington as recent examples .



But what they have in mind
They're gonna change the whole dynamic if they continue on the path they have laid out for the west with the great "reset "

For a simple example .... you end up with millions with nothing left to lose in a short time span
Which could never happen here .....right progs ..



Like the author states a storm is coming .....that I think many of us are/have been pretty sure of .

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.

Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?

It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.

Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.

Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.

You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.

That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...

Americans didn't reject republicanism but they did have something to say about your hard right stupidity and horrible president.

Dope. Those Republicans who flipped House seat to red were all for the most part Trump-supporters. Just how out of touch are you, anyway?

Do you really think they are Trump supporters or are they just political opportunists like Trump? You don't have to take my word for it but even you will dump him as soon as another hard right asshole emerges to lead you. Aren't you getting a little tired of playing defense? Don't you secretly wish you could go back to just attacking everything? Dumping and disavowing Trump for some new leader offers you that opportunity.

Trump supporters come from all walks of life
Some even call themselves democrats

 

[2aguy]

Public schools, transportation, health care, etc., is not "interferring".
Everyone wants those things.
The only way to provide them is through government.

How do you know that?

Because they can not be done for profit fairly.
We tried private schooling, private toll roads, etc., and it not only did not work, but was very unfair.

Moron......the public schools can't educate children........the money should follow the kid, if you actually want to educate children. The schools in democrat party controlled cities aren't teaching math or english...and can barely graduate half of their students...you are insane.

 

[SavannahMann]

One handgun can get me one rifle. One rifle can get me one hand grenade. One hand grenade can get me one anti-tank missile. One anti-tank missile can get me one tank. One tank can get me one....and so on.

Even without the hardware our own military has, other third-world shithole countries have managed to kick our ass a few times. The anti-gun nuts, gun-grabbers, and other tyrants shouldn't be so confident.

They got a lot of grabbing to do

WeaponsMan: 412-660 million guns in the US?

A few years, before Hognose passed away, the WeaponsMan blog made the mathematical case that the figure of 300 million privately owned firearms in the US is wrong. They not only claimed that the nu…

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Good luck with that progs

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that good Law Abiding Americans. The Core of this Country. That they would fight their local cops and disobey A law requiring them to surrender their weapons?

 

[JGalt]

One handgun can get me one rifle. One rifle can get me one hand grenade. One hand grenade can get me one anti-tank missile. One anti-tank missile can get me one tank. One tank can get me one....and so on.

Even without the hardware our own military has, other third-world shithole countries have managed to kick our ass a few times. The anti-gun nuts, gun-grabbers, and other tyrants shouldn't be so confident.

They got a lot of grabbing to do

WeaponsMan: 412-660 million guns in the US?

A few years, before Hognose passed away, the WeaponsMan blog made the mathematical case that the figure of 300 million privately owned firearms in the US is wrong. They not only claimed that the nu…

dissidentamerican.wordpress.com

Good luck with that progs

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that good Law Abiding Americans. The Core of this Country. That they would fight their local cops and disobey A law requiring them to surrender their weapons?

The local police officers aren't the ones to worry about. Most of those I know are Trump-supporters, seeing as how the left wants to put them out of a job. Those in my County even support the concealed carry law.

 

[2aguy]

One handgun can get me one rifle. One rifle can get me one hand grenade. One hand grenade can get me one anti-tank missile. One anti-tank missile can get me one tank. One tank can get me one....and so on.

Even without the hardware our own military has, other third-world shithole countries have managed to kick our ass a few times. The anti-gun nuts, gun-grabbers, and other tyrants shouldn't be so confident.

They got a lot of grabbing to do

WeaponsMan: 412-660 million guns in the US?

A few years, before Hognose passed away, the WeaponsMan blog made the mathematical case that the figure of 300 million privately owned firearms in the US is wrong. They not only claimed that the nu…

dissidentamerican.wordpress.com

Good luck with that progs

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that good Law Abiding Americans. The Core of this Country. That they would fight their local cops and disobey A law requiring them to surrender their weapons?

The local police officers aren't the ones to worry about. Most of those I know are Trump-supporters, seeing as how the left wants to put them out of a job. Those in my County even support the concealed carry law.

The majority of police support people carrying guns for self defense.....just another reason the left wing democrats want them replaced with democrat party goon squads....

 

[Rigby5]

Public schools, transportation, health care, etc., is not "interferring".
Everyone wants those things.
The only way to provide them is through government.

How do you know that?

Because they can not be done for profit fairly.
We tried private schooling, private toll roads, etc., and it not only did not work, but was very unfair.

Moron......the public schools can't educate children........the money should follow the kid, if you actually want to educate children. The schools in democrat party controlled cities aren't teaching math or english...and can barely graduate half of their students...you are insane.

That is foolish, because YOU control pretty much what public schools teach and how they teach it.
If half the students don't graduate, that is because their parents and society do not believe in the system working any more, where you can succeed through hard work. They correctly see the system now is rigged and robotics or green card aliens are used to avoid paying citizens a decent wage.
There is no alternative to public schools because 90% of parents either can't afford private schools, or don't care enough.
Which would mean the workforce would be illiterate, untrained, and incapable of producing anything.
They US would not be able to compete and would not longer be producing even enough food for everyone to survive.

 

[2aguy]

Public schools, transportation, health care, etc., is not "interferring".
Everyone wants those things.
The only way to provide them is through government.

How do you know that?

Because they can not be done for profit fairly.
We tried private schooling, private toll roads, etc., and it not only did not work, but was very unfair.

Moron......the public schools can't educate children........the money should follow the kid, if you actually want to educate children. The schools in democrat party controlled cities aren't teaching math or english...and can barely graduate half of their students...you are insane.

That is foolish, because YOU control pretty much what public schools teach and how they teach it.
If half the students don't graduate, that is because their parents and society do not believe in the system working any more, where you can succeed through hard work. They correctly see the system now is rigged and robotics or green card aliens are used to avoid paying citizens a decent wage.
There is no alternative to public schools because 90% of parents either can't afford private schools, or don't care enough.
Which would mean the workforce would be illiterate, untrained, and incapable of producing anything.
They US would not be able to compete and would not longer be producing even enough food for everyone to survive.

'Moron......left wing teachers unions block any attempt to fix public schools.....that is the problem.

There is an alternative.....school choice, the money following the kid, not trapping the kid to a local school simply because they live in that neighborhood......that will fix the education system the way the free market created cell phones and cars....

 

[Correll]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

Riots are not democracy.

 

[SavannahMann]

One handgun can get me one rifle. One rifle can get me one hand grenade. One hand grenade can get me one anti-tank missile. One anti-tank missile can get me one tank. One tank can get me one....and so on.

Even without the hardware our own military has, other third-world shithole countries have managed to kick our ass a few times. The anti-gun nuts, gun-grabbers, and other tyrants shouldn't be so confident.

They got a lot of grabbing to do

WeaponsMan: 412-660 million guns in the US?

A few years, before Hognose passed away, the WeaponsMan blog made the mathematical case that the figure of 300 million privately owned firearms in the US is wrong. They not only claimed that the nu…

dissidentamerican.wordpress.com

Good luck with that progs

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that good Law Abiding Americans. The Core of this Country. That they would fight their local cops and disobey A law requiring them to surrender their weapons?

The local police officers aren't the ones to worry about. Most of those I know are Trump-supporters, seeing as how the left wants to put them out of a job. Those in my County even support the concealed carry law.

Are you seriously saying that your local cops would not enforce the law? And you support that?

 

[Correll]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

Maybe read the OP before responding next time

“If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied – MBV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

Yeah I read it but we are not Germany and the gun nutters are not an oppressed minority no matter how much they like to think so.

No? There's no political faction that's tearing down statues and is dedicated to Government Uber Alles?

That's just people wanting the same rights and expectations you take for granted. Only a fascist would think that another man gaining in equality means something has been taken from them.

Denying me my right to celebrate my heritage, a right every other group has,

is denying me equality.


That you call me a fascist for wanting equality, is just you adding insult to injury.

Do you want a civil war? Because this is how you get a civil war.

 

[2aguy]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

Riots are not democracy.

What that idiot and other idiots like him can't see....is that it isn't normal gun owners who want fascism...it is the joe biden voters and the democrats who want fascism.....they want more government control over every single aspect of their lives...while normal Americans and gun owners simply want to be left alone....

 

[Rigby5]

One handgun can get me one rifle. One rifle can get me one hand grenade. One hand grenade can get me one anti-tank missile. One anti-tank missile can get me one tank. One tank can get me one....and so on.

Even without the hardware our own military has, other third-world shithole countries have managed to kick our ass a few times. The anti-gun nuts, gun-grabbers, and other tyrants shouldn't be so confident.

They got a lot of grabbing to do

WeaponsMan: 412-660 million guns in the US?

A few years, before Hognose passed away, the WeaponsMan blog made the mathematical case that the figure of 300 million privately owned firearms in the US is wrong. They not only claimed that the nu…

dissidentamerican.wordpress.com

Good luck with that progs

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting that good Law Abiding Americans. The Core of this Country. That they would fight their local cops and disobey A law requiring them to surrender their weapons?

The local police officers aren't the ones to worry about. Most of those I know are Trump-supporters, seeing as how the left wants to put them out of a job. Those in my County even support the concealed carry law.

The majority of police support people carrying guns for self defense.....just another reason the left wing democrats want them replaced with democrat party goon squads....

Just WHAT are "democratic party goon squads"?
The police do have some degree of local popular support, just not when they gun down unarmed people.
So when has anyone suggest replacing police?
The most I have heard is more accountability, more threat of punishment for rights abuses, and less used of police to forcibly extract revenue out of people with unwarranted tickets, fines, bail, etc., over things like drugs, over night parking, etc.
I don't like either party, Republican or Democrat, but no one has suggested an alternative to police.
I wish they would.
I would much prefer unpaid volunteers like Neighborhood Watch.

 

[Correll]

Every social issue is a battle of perspectives.

Indeed- battle is very fitting. What many don't seem to want to acknowledge is History- those "battles" lead to blood shed- there is little to no need for blood shed in this case- one group announces it wants to preserve Liberty- another denounces Liberty with vitriol as though it would be the end of the world- exercising Liberty is a Natural, inherent right, as in UNalienable, not INalienable (which the author failed to recognize, btw) - the stupid sheep want to deny Liberty, except to their "gain"- their "perspective" is clouded, narrow and shallow from indoctrination by fools who wouldn't know Truth if it was tattooed onto their forehead where they had to see it every time they pass a mirror and look at themselves, which is often- to exercise Liberty is a natural happening- it can't and won't be stopped- it can, and is, restricted by sheep justifying to their flock that it is the right thing to do, even though no harm happened, but cause harm with their restrictions- it doesn't matter which side of the equation you find yourself on- denying Truth will always lead to conflict and ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another- it has no political bias, it just is.

History is little more than a long list of conflicts. Even our highest ideals of equality, liberty and reason were birthed in strife and bloodshed. It's terrible but it seems humanity has never advanced away from the caves by any other means. Intellectuals have always stood by saying "can't we all just get along?" but unfortunately they are usually the first to go into the mass grave.

Plenty of progress has been made with peaceful change. You are just making excuses for your side's use of political violence against your enemies.

 

[Rigby5]

So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

Maybe read the OP before responding next time

“If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied – MBV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

Yeah I read it but we are not Germany and the gun nutters are not an oppressed minority no matter how much they like to think so.

No? There's no political faction that's tearing down statues and is dedicated to Government Uber Alles?

That's just people wanting the same rights and expectations you take for granted. Only a fascist would think that another man gaining in equality means something has been taken from them.

Denying me my right to celebrate my heritage, a right every other group has,

is denying me equality.


That you call me a fascist for wanting equality, is just you adding insult to injury.

Do you want a civil war? Because this is how you get a civil war.

Some heritage should not be celebrated, such as plantation owners who profited from slavery.
So it depends what you heritage is that you want to celebrate?