This would represent a metaphorically tectonic shift in European defense.

[Moonglow]

Is the US still a superpower if China takes the lead in aid and develop in the 3rd world and Europe doesn't need or want the US to defend it? We already vote with Russia (and Iran and North Korea). At least we'll make Russia happy when we leave NATO.

Nope, Trump is playing cut-n-run from being a super power the MAGATs want isolationism, it worked so well in the 19th century.

 

[22lcidw]

Would you rather have the US align itself with Europe or Russia, Hungary, China, and Iran?

If we have to be blackmailed and sucker lackeys, no. We still can have an aligned relationship though.

 

[MarcATL]

France to consider protecting European allies with its nuclear arsenal, Macron says​

France will consider extending the protection of its nuclear arsenal to its allies, French President Emmanuel Macron said Wednesday, while warning that Europe needs to be ready for the United States to not “remain by our side” in the Ukraine-Russia war.

“I’ve decided to open the strategic debate on the protection by our deterrence of our allies on the European continent,” he said in a live broadcast on his official social media channels, during which he stressed the need for Europe to continue assisting Ukraine and strengthen its own defense.

“Our nuclear deterrence protects us, it is complete, sovereign, French from end to end,” Macron said of France’s nuclear arsenal. “This protects us much more than many of our neighbors.”

“Whatever happens, the decision has always remained and will remain in the hands of the president of the Republic, commander of the military,” Macron added.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused Macron of posing a direct threat to Russia with his rhetoric.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/05/europe/macron-france-nuclear-arsenal-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

If France decides to do this it may help prevent the potential proliferation of nuclear weapons in Europe as nations seek their own Russian deterrent by acquiring nukes. A ripple effect of trump's isolationism.

Poland seeks access to nuclear arms and looks to build half-million-man army​

Poland seeks access to nuclear arms and looks to build half-million-man army

Already a major spender within NATO, Warsaw has massive military plans as fears grow about the reliability of the U.S. as an ally against Russia.

www.politico.eu

First things first. To Lavrov I say, fuck off. If you don't want European nations to take actions to defend themselves against Russian aggression stop being a threat to them.

Secondly, wow. I think it's fair to say this would be the first Euro-centric military alliance since WWII, one that doesn't include the US. Raising the question, what will be the impact of trump turning the US in to an unreliable military ally as well as an unreliable trading partner?

We ‘must act’: Europe retaliates against Trump’s 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/12/we-must-act-europe-says-retaliating-against-trumps-tariffs.html

Sacre bleu! About damn time.

 

[westwall]

Is the US still a superpower if China takes the lead in aid and develop in the 3rd world and Europe doesn't need or want the US to defend it? We already vote with Russia (and Iran and North Korea). At least we'll make Russia happy when we leave NATO.

Yes

 

[alang1216]

Yes

What superpower will we still have? Not military or economic.

 

[BackAgain]

A predictably simple minded, short sighted reply. SOP for trumples.

The simple mindedness is al yours, bug. As always.

 

[Scoutster]

Awww Europe is growing up. How cute.

 

[westwall]

What superpower will we still have? Not military or economic.

Power, bucko. And not having to squander our resources supporting a bunch of leeches, we will be even stronger.

It's amazing how you uneducated types conflate paying tribute with power.

 

[alang1216]

Power, bucko. And not having to squander our resources supporting a bunch of leeches, we will be even stronger.

It's amazing how you uneducated types conflate paying tribute with power.

We might be richer but power would come from using that wealth, not putting it away in a bank vault.

 

[sartre play]

Would you rather have the US align itself with Europe or Russia, Hungary, China, and Iran?

GOOD QUESTION.

 

[Kruska]

How is engaging in fantastical hypotheticals relevant to the conversation?

Yesterday I heard a Canadian business reporter speak about the unseen affects of what Dotard is doing. Like Canadians just not buying American products, not going on vacation to the US, businesses looking for more reliable countries to do business with. Now some of this will go away once the Orange Menace is just a horrific memory but when you think about the citizenry of all countries doing this you begin to understand the magnitude of what the idiot trump has put in motion.

To make you aware that your "assumptions" in regards to France offering it's "nuclear umbrella" to Germany is HYPOTHETICAL.

 

[0311]

I say good. Let Europe spend it's own money defending itself.

Short sighted and self-serving MAGA MAGGOT bullshit.

 

[westwall]

We might be richer but power would come from using that wealth, not putting it away in a bank vault.

No, power comes from POTENTIAL. The POTENTIAL to use power is what makes people chose to do the correct thing.

The demofascists have depleted our potential.

 

[alang1216]

No, power comes from POTENTIAL. The POTENTIAL to use power is what makes people chose to do the correct thing.

The demofascists have depleted our potential.

No, it is Trump that is removing our potential to project power. NATO is a force that has way more potential with the US than without it. Our economy has the potential to influence others only if we trade with them

 

[Leo123]

Europe has ALWAYS spend its own money, and a LOT of it went to American arms manufacturers. That's over. Canada is cancelling it's purchases of US made weapons, and our commitment to buy F35 fighter jets - we've already spent billions on these planes, which we're prepared to flush:

Tariff Fight Raises Questions About Canada's F-35, P-8 Purchases - AVweb

The on-again, off-again export tariff tiff between the U.S. and Canada is prompting calls from some for Canada to reconsider more than $20 billion in

www.avweb.com

Maybe It’s time for Canada to Dump the F-35? — espritdecorps

By Tim Ryan Canada’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter jet, the F-35, could be headed for some turbulence. Questions are being asked around official Ottawa about why Canadian taxpayers should spend $19 billion on a product from a country whose president has threatened to eco

www.espritdecorps.ca

Why would we buy military equipment from someone who has declared us an "enemy".

Maybe Europe and Canada should give US back those planes?

 

[Leo123]

No, it is Trump that is removing our potential to project power. NATO is a force that has way more potential with the US than without it. Our economy has the potential to influence others only if we trade with them

Maybe NATO would have more potential if Euros actually supported it as they promised?

 

[alang1216]

Maybe NATO would have more potential if Euros actually supported it as they promised?

Absolutely right but the US is still the richest and most powerful member. Power we're in the process of squandering by buddying up to Russia.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This proposal and "idea" will die the day e.g. Le Pen becomes French President.

France - especially it's nationalists, has it's own agenda - just like any other country.

Imagine an independent/sovereign State of Wyoming or Oklahoma offering it's nuke protection to e.g. the sovereign State of California - and then California getting into a military confrontation with a nuclear possessing Texas, who attacks New Mexico and states that New Mexico has no right to exist.........

The sad fact is; There is NO European union, aside from a common currency and overpaid/useless EU parliamentarians.

And Putin knows this very well.

Le Pen is mightier than Le Sword!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why is it always France at the begining of World Wars?

There are Europe's well-known surrender monkeys. Even their nuke missiles have a white flag on them.

 

[struth]

Glad to see Europe taking some responsibly for their own defense!