A Handgun Against An Army – Ten Years After

“What Good Can A Handgun Do Against an Army?”

A friend of mine forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed:

“If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I’m not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I’m just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)”

If I may, I’d like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one to which I have given much research and considerable thought. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives.

My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership told me once:

“If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied – MBV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

Note well that phrase: “and the will to use it,” for the simply-stated question, “What good can a handgun do against an army?”, is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully.

It is a military question.

It is also a political question.

But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves.

First, let’s answer the military question.

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One must remember that all members of the military swear allegiance to the constitution and the country as a whole, not any one person or group of people including the government. So in the extreme event of a general uprising and revolution of the people against the government run amok at least half of the military would side with the people perhaps more. Bear in mind that members of the military, past and present are true patriots for the most part with some skin in the game.
 
Intellectuals have always stood by saying "can't we all just get along?"
I'm a human- I make no claim about being intellectual- the facts stand- ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another- that leads to bloodshed- so, who's at fault? The intellectual, or the person(s) defending their unalienable rights? Or the idiot who apparently feels he doesn't bleed when cut?
 
that is capitalism.
In our society, it is Crony operations of a Keynesean, top down, economy (designed for the monarchy of Britain), referred to as capitalism, thanks to Richard Nixon- drug cartels use pure capitalism- the top down theory is "Trickle Down"- according to Reagan, controlled by a central bank which issued a credit card (using our labor as collateral) to finance the UNjust wars, foreign and domestic, not to mention transportation and public education, which are NOT a granted authority in the rules governing the feckless Empty Suits in the District of Criminals- the trickle down has paid dividends for the war mongers of the Duopoly Party, called neocons, which includes feckless Empty Suits from BOTH sides- a result of the education system failure is calling our system capitalist- not to mention the many who call our society a democracy and don't know the difference between unalienable and inalienable- and "everybody wants that"? This is a republic, not a democracy- our so-called re present a tives are supposed to help ensure no one has a legal advantage over another, protect and defend the constitution and our Liberty- Crony crooks and their beggars with their hands out do neither and in fact they guarantee the opposite-
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?
It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.
Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.
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So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.
Dear Diary:

Today I learned "fascism" means "wanting the government to stop interfering in everyone's lives".

Of course, it was a complete idiot who said it, so...

That is totally wrong.
Fascism is when the wealthy elite gain control of the government and commit abuses such as 22% interest rates on loans, monopolies like the current health care industry, tax exemptions for the wealthy, etc.
Public schools, transportation, health care, etc., is not "interferring".
Everyone wants those things.
The only way to provide them is through government.
The United States Constitution does not set up a government that gives everyone whatever they want.
 
Every social issue is a battle of perspectives.
Indeed- battle is very fitting. What many don't seem to want to acknowledge is History- those "battles" lead to blood shed- there is little to no need for blood shed in this case- one group announces it wants to preserve Liberty- another denounces Liberty with vitriol as though it would be the end of the world- exercising Liberty is a Natural, inherent right, as in UNalienable, not INalienable (which the author failed to recognize, btw) - the stupid sheep want to deny Liberty, except to their "gain"- their "perspective" is clouded, narrow and shallow from indoctrination by fools who wouldn't know Truth if it was tattooed onto their forehead where they had to see it every time they pass a mirror and look at themselves, which is often- to exercise Liberty is a natural happening- it can't and won't be stopped- it can, and is, restricted by sheep justifying to their flock that it is the right thing to do, even though no harm happened, but cause harm with their restrictions- it doesn't matter which side of the equation you find yourself on- denying Truth will always lead to conflict and ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another- it has no political bias, it just is.
History is little more than a long list of conflicts. Even our highest ideals of equality, liberty and reason were birthed in strife and bloodshed. It's terrible but it seems humanity has never advanced away from the caves by any other means. Intellectuals have always stood by saying "can't we all just get along?" but unfortunately they are usually the first to go into the mass grave.
And history has shown it's always leftists putting people in mass graves.

No one has ever adequately explained how leftists will not do the same here if given unchecked power. How 'bout we just don't give 'em that power? They can't be trusted with it.

Wrong.
Russia and China are about the most capitalist countries in the world, and always have been.
Stalin was not at all communist or socialist, but was out for personal profit, so was capitalist.
Communism is collaborative, communal, and cooperative, so it pretty much always has to be democratic and local.
When a system is not collaborative, communal, or cooperative, and is instead controlled by a central, wealthy, elite, that is capitalism.
Been into the eggnog today, I see.
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.
That's because the local Democrats were refusing to enforce the law, to the detriment of the citizenry.

The highest priority is to stop police murdering innocent people.
So, obviously, the solution is to keep police away from lawbreakers.

Brilliant.
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?
It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.
Wrong. Mass civil violence should be put down. Protests are fine, even if y'all don't pick up your own trash.

When the protest are over murders by police, and are succeeding, there is not limit to what the protestors should do until there finally is change.
Mass civil violence is always appropriate when other means fail to end government abuses.
Read Patrick Henry or Thomas Jefferson.
You're awfully generous with other people's lives and businesses. I'm guessing they're not interested in paying the price for things that make you feel better.
 
Then what explains you taking personally something I said to Rigby?
Hold on just a second




Rigby5 said:



daveman said:



occupied said:



Gdjjr said:



occupied said:


Every social issue is a battle of perspectives.

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Indeed- battle is very fitting. What many don't seem to want to acknowledge is History- those "battles" lead to blood shed- there is little to no need for blood shed in this case- one group announces it wants to preserve Liberty- another denounces Liberty with vitriol as though it would be the end of the world- exercising Liberty is a Natural, inherent right, as in UNalienable, not INalienable (which the author failed to recognize, btw) - the stupid sheep want to deny Liberty, except to their "gain"- their "perspective" is clouded, narrow and shallow from indoctrination by fools who wouldn't know Truth if it was tattooed onto their forehead where they had to see it every time they pass a mirror and look at themselves, which is often- to exercise Liberty is a natural happening- it can't and won't be stopped- it can, and is, restricted by sheep justifying to their flock that it is the right thing to do, even though no harm happened, but cause harm with their restrictions- it doesn't matter which side of the equation you find yourself on- denying Truth will always lead to conflict and ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another- it has no political bias, it just is.

Click to expand...
History is little more than a long list of conflicts. Even our highest ideals of equality, liberty and reason were birthed in strife and bloodshed. It's terrible but it seems humanity has never advanced away from the caves by any other means. Intellectuals have always stood by saying "can't we all just get along?" but unfortunately they are usually the first to go into the mass grave.

Click to expand...
And history has shown it's always leftists putting people in mass graves.

No one has ever adequately explained how leftists will not do the same here if given unchecked power. How 'bout we just don't give 'em that power? They can't be trusted with it.

Click to expand...
Wrong.
Russia and China are about the most capitalist countries in the world, and always have been.
Stalin was not at all communist or socialist, but was out for personal profit, so was capitalist.
Communism is collaborative, communal, and cooperative, so it pretty much always has to be democratic and local.
When a system is not collaborative, communal, or cooperative, and is instead controlled by a central, wealthy, elite, that is capitalism.

Click to expand...
Been into the eggnog today, I see.






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Do you see what I made bold in what YOU quoted? Click to expand.
 
Then what explains you taking personally something I said to Rigby?
Hold on just a second




Rigby5 said:



daveman said:



occupied said:



Gdjjr said:



occupied said:


Every social issue is a battle of perspectives.

Click to expand...
Indeed- battle is very fitting. What many don't seem to want to acknowledge is History- those "battles" lead to blood shed- there is little to no need for blood shed in this case- one group announces it wants to preserve Liberty- another denounces Liberty with vitriol as though it would be the end of the world- exercising Liberty is a Natural, inherent right, as in UNalienable, not INalienable (which the author failed to recognize, btw) - the stupid sheep want to deny Liberty, except to their "gain"- their "perspective" is clouded, narrow and shallow from indoctrination by fools who wouldn't know Truth if it was tattooed onto their forehead where they had to see it every time they pass a mirror and look at themselves, which is often- to exercise Liberty is a natural happening- it can't and won't be stopped- it can, and is, restricted by sheep justifying to their flock that it is the right thing to do, even though no harm happened, but cause harm with their restrictions- it doesn't matter which side of the equation you find yourself on- denying Truth will always lead to conflict and ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another- it has no political bias, it just is.

Click to expand...
History is little more than a long list of conflicts. Even our highest ideals of equality, liberty and reason were birthed in strife and bloodshed. It's terrible but it seems humanity has never advanced away from the caves by any other means. Intellectuals have always stood by saying "can't we all just get along?" but unfortunately they are usually the first to go into the mass grave.

Click to expand...
And history has shown it's always leftists putting people in mass graves.

No one has ever adequately explained how leftists will not do the same here if given unchecked power. How 'bout we just don't give 'em that power? They can't be trusted with it.

Click to expand...
Wrong.
Russia and China are about the most capitalist countries in the world, and always have been.
Stalin was not at all communist or socialist, but was out for personal profit, so was capitalist.
Communism is collaborative, communal, and cooperative, so it pretty much always has to be democratic and local.
When a system is not collaborative, communal, or cooperative, and is instead controlled by a central, wealthy, elite, that is capitalism.

Click to expand...
Been into the eggnog today, I see.






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Do you see what I made bold in what YOU quoted? Click to expand.
Yeah. I was replying to Rigby.
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?
It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.
Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.


Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.
 
In our society, it is Crony operations of a Keynesean, top down, economy (designed for the monarchy of Britain), referred to as capitalism,
What we have in America today is not Capitalism at all, but merely the centrally planned economy of Communism.
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?
It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.
Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.


Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.
You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.
 
So what do you do when the most heavily armed segment of society wants fascism? That's what we have now. All those guns don't mean shit when their owners are practically begging the federal government and the army to put down protests and kill democracy.

What "fascism"? Aside of one 17 year old kid who shot three antifa attackers out of self-defense, I don't see armed people rounding up protesters and shipping them off to camps, do you? The fascism you refer to is being carried out by Democrat Mayors and Governors under the banner of "coronoavirus." Shutting down businesses, locking people down at home, or the possibility of forced vaccinations sounds a lot like fascism to me Bubba. It was also those Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed black-clad fascists to run wild in the cities, assaulting people, burning buildings, and looting. You seem to have a very skewed sense of what's happening in this country.
Remember when the Trumpbots were begging Trump to send in the army on the cities experiencing civil unrest? Of course you don't.

Of course I do. Wouldn't you want the military to step in if your businesses were being burned down and looted?
It is a definitive fascist position that no amount of government force is excessive in protecting the public order and that unapproved mass protests should be put down.

Just stop already. The Mayors and Democrats weren't doing what they were supposed to. The purpose of government is to protect it people, and that what the troops were sent to do.
Thankfully Trump never decided to declare war on Americans but I feel it was a close thing. You might want to acknowledge that the closest we have come to a forceful federal takeover of a local government came at the hands of a president the gun nutters fully supported. It's the kind of thing they always said they would oppose with their guns and lives.


Then you are a moron.......

Joe Biden voters were actually burning and looting cities, and beating and murdering Americans........but Trump is the problem?

You really are an idiot.
You talk like that and you call me an idiot? The right is almost totally out of touch with America and your rhetoric is proof.


That's why they picked up seats in the House and likely kept the senate, you moron...
 

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