A couple of stupid Myths

[Powerman]

I figure if this belongs on any board it belongs on the religous board. I'm gonna vent for a minute and I'm more than open to hear other responses.

Myth #1: Atheists and agnostics have no morals.

This is quite possibly the dumbest myth of all. Personally I believe that morals gave us religion and not the other way around. But my belief in that matter is irrlevant. There are plenty of atheists who live very moral lives by mainsteam Christian standards other than obseriving the religion itself. In some cases more moral than Christians. The idea of forgiveness is a noble idea but I believe that to a believe it almost promotes sin. The same with the idea that we were born with original sin. Both of those ideas in my eyes promote immoral behavior because it is deemed natural and acceptable. Atheists don't prescribe to such nonsense and SOMETIMES tend to be more moral. Obviously I'm not speaking for all atheists or demonizing all Christians because that would be absurd. I just wanted to dispell the myth that some religous have about atheists.

Myth #2 : If you are not uber-religous you must be a left winger. This couldn't be farther from the trugh. I know many libertarians who are atheists/agnostic or just not that serious about their religion that voted for GWB in the last election. You don't need to be a bible thumping fundamentalist to have some right wing ideology. As a matter of fact those are the people that will ultimately destroy the republican party. The Sean Hannitys of the world who pine over the Shaivo situation and take the extreme right aproach regarding euthanasia do not represent everyone in the republican party.

Myth # 3: If you are atheist/agnostic you are a Christian basher or hate religion in general. This is once again very far from the truth. Both of my parents are devout Catholics and I respect their beliefs even though I do not share them. I respect most Christians and their beliefs and will stand up for freedom of religion any day. However...I do have a problem with fundementalist dumbasses trying to shove junk like creation science in with public school teachings. Last time I checked the creation story isn't but a couple of pages in the bible. You can teach it to your kids in 4 minutes if you want to at home. Don't be throwing garbage into our education system. Or if you want send your kids to a Christian school where they won't learn about evolution. Just keep your superstitions out of science.


OK I'm pretty much done. I'll entertain any questions if need be.

 

[KarlMarx]

Left Wing Myth #1 - If we didn't have legalized abortion, women would be taking a coat hanger to themselves.

Left Wing Myth #2 - America is a racist country

Left Wing Myth #3 - If you are a member of the Right, a Republican, then you are an ultra-right-wing-religious-John Bircher society type Neo-Nazi

Left Wing Myth #4 - There is a Religious Right that is conspiring to take away our freedoms

Left Wing Myth #5 - Socialism works

Left Wing Myth #6 - Gays are "born that way"

Left Wing Myth #7 - Most people in this country are standing in soup lines (or eating out of trash cans), living from hand to mouth and desperately need the government handouts in order to survive

Left Wing Myth #8 - we are on the verge of an environmental catastrophe
.......

OK, I think I've proven my point, but I was just getting warmed up! We had Homer who gave us The Iliad and The Odyssey, two corner stones of Western Myth. We had John Milton and Dante Alighieri who gave us Paradise Lost and The Divine Comedy
cornerstones of religious poetry. Now we have Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Karl Marx, most of Hollywood working overtime like Leftist Hans Christian Andersons ladling out myths, diversions, half-truths, downright lies.... they're bound to come up with another Iliad or Paradise Lost any day now!

 

[Powerman]

If you don't mind let me take a couple of shots at your theories.

"Left Wing Myth #1 - If we didn't have legalized abortion, women would be taking a coat hanger to themselves."

Well the demand for abortion won't change much if you make it illegal. So what will happen is folks with money will travel to Europe to have abortions and poor folks will either have abortions without decent medical treatment of they will raise kids which they can not afford to raise and continue a cycle of poverty and crime. Overall abortion has a net positive on society whether you think it is morally acceptable or not.



"Left Wing Myth #2 - America is a racist country"

That is a myth. America isn't racist enough. Black people are getting their collective asses kissed because of politically correct pussies when in fact they should be held accountable for their pathetic overall behaviour as a race.

"Left Wing Myth #3 - If you are a member of the Right, a Republican, then you are an ultra-right-wing-religious-John Bircher society type Neo-Nazi"

You are correct once again. Anyone who thinks such is stupid.


"Left Wing Myth #4 - There is a Religious Right that is conspiring to take away our freedoms"

The religous right is good for 2 things.

1. Denying gays rights because they are homophobes with no moral ethics
2. Advocating junk science in schools because they are idiots that believe in fairy tales


"Left Wing Myth #5 - Socialism works"

This is a myth. No argument here.

"Left Wing Myth #6 - Gays are "born that way"

I think this is a case by case basis sometimes but MOST are probably born that way. Only a dumb fundamentalist nutcase would argue otherwise.



"Left Wing Myth #7 - Most people in this country are standing in soup lines (or eating out of trash cans), living from hand to mouth and desperately need the government handouts in order to survive
"

While this certainly is a myth I don't remember the last time I've heard leftists use this. You're stretching.


"Left Wing Myth #8 - we are on the verge of an environmental catastrophe"

I'm not buying that either but I would like to see more action out of the private sector regarding alternative energy solutions for the sake of cost efficiency.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Powerman, first, a couple means TWO, you posted three.

OK< OK< semantics.

Well, your myths may be true, but I dont think they are nearly as rampant as some others. For example, if you have an opposing viewpoint to a homosexual activist, they immediately label you homophobe.

I think you would have to agree, the most open, free and tolerant superpower ever built was built by Christians, in a Christian society with Christian values.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I figure if this belongs on any board it belongs on the religous board. I'm gonna vent for a minute and I'm more than open to hear other responses.

Myth #1: Atheists and agnostics have no morals.

This is quite possibly the dumbest myth of all. Personally I believe that morals gave us religion and not the other way around. But my belief in that matter is irrlevant. There are plenty of atheists who live very moral lives by mainsteam Christian standards other than obseriving the religion itself. In some cases more moral than Christians. The idea of forgiveness is a noble idea but I believe that to a believe it almost promotes sin. The same with the idea that we were born with original sin. Both of those ideas in my eyes promote immoral behavior because it is deemed natural and acceptable. Atheists don't prescribe to such nonsense and SOMETIMES tend to be more moral. Obviously I'm not speaking for all atheists or demonizing all Christians because that would be absurd. I just wanted to dispell the myth that some religous have about atheists.

Myth #2 : If you are not uber-religous you must be a left winger. This couldn't be farther from the trugh. I know many libertarians who are atheists/agnostic or just not that serious about their religion that voted for GWB in the last election. You don't need to be a bible thumping fundamentalist to have some right wing ideology. As a matter of fact those are the people that will ultimately destroy the republican party. The Sean Hannitys of the world who pine over the Shaivo situation and take the extreme right aproach regarding euthanasia do not represent everyone in the republican party.

Myth # 3: If you are atheist/agnostic you are a Christian basher or hate religion in general. This is once again very far from the truth. Both of my parents are devout Catholics and I respect their beliefs even though I do not share them. I respect most Christians and their beliefs and will stand up for freedom of religion any day. However...I do have a problem with fundementalist dumbasses trying to shove junk like creation science in with public school teachings. Last time I checked the creation story isn't but a couple of pages in the bible. You can teach it to your kids in 4 minutes if you want to at home. Don't be throwing garbage into our education system. Or if you want send your kids to a Christian school where they won't learn about evolution. Just keep your superstitions out of science.


OK I'm pretty much done. I'll entertain any questions if need be.

You've taken strawman arguments to new heights, buddy.

Many atheists actually do have faith. They have Faith in socialism, despite it's repeated and demonstrable failures.

I know there are relatively conservative atheists, but most seem to have just a generalized contempt for western society, and all it stands for.

 

[Nuc]

You've taken strawman arguments to new heights, buddy.

Many atheists actually do have faith. They have Faith in socialism, despite it's repeated and demonstrable failures.

I know there are relatively conservative atheists, but most seem to have just a generalized contempt for western society, and all it stands for.

Atheists come from all parts of the political spectrum. Atheism can strike anyone, anywhere, anytime. Some people just have no need for gods.

Around the world, Buddhism is the major atheistic religion and certainly many if not most Buddhists are conservative. They may be tolerant and have a good sense of humor, but culturally most are very conservative. Were talking hundreds of millions of people.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Atheists come from all parts of the political spectrum. Atheism can strike anyone, anywhere, anytime. Some people just have no need for gods.

Around the world, Buddhism is the major atheistic religion and certainly many if not most Buddhists are conservative. They may be tolerant and have a good sense of humor, but culturally most are very conservative. Were talking hundreds of millions of people.

Michael Savage is a buddhist. And he kicks ass.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I figure if this belongs on any board it belongs on the religous board. I'm gonna vent for a minute and I'm more than open to hear other responses.

Myth #1: Atheists and agnostics have no morals.

This is quite possibly the dumbest myth of all. Personally I believe that morals gave us religion and not the other way around. But my belief in that matter is irrlevant. There are plenty of atheists who live very moral lives by mainsteam Christian standards other than obseriving the religion itself. In some cases more moral than Christians. The idea of forgiveness is a noble idea but I believe that to a believe it almost promotes sin. The same with the idea that we were born with original sin. Both of those ideas in my eyes promote immoral behavior because it is deemed natural and acceptable. Atheists don't prescribe to such nonsense and SOMETIMES tend to be more moral. Obviously I'm not speaking for all atheists or demonizing all Christians because that would be absurd. I just wanted to dispell the myth that some religous have about atheists.

Myth #2 : If you are not uber-religous you must be a left winger. This couldn't be farther from the trugh. I know many libertarians who are atheists/agnostic or just not that serious about their religion that voted for GWB in the last election. You don't need to be a bible thumping fundamentalist to have some right wing ideology. As a matter of fact those are the people that will ultimately destroy the republican party. The Sean Hannitys of the world who pine over the Shaivo situation and take the extreme right aproach regarding euthanasia do not represent everyone in the republican party.

Myth # 3: If you are atheist/agnostic you are a Christian basher or hate religion in general. This is once again very far from the truth. Both of my parents are devout Catholics and I respect their beliefs even though I do not share them. I respect most Christians and their beliefs and will stand up for freedom of religion any day. However...I do have a problem with fundementalist dumbasses trying to shove junk like creation science in with public school teachings. Last time I checked the creation story isn't but a couple of pages in the bible. You can teach it to your kids in 4 minutes if you want to at home. Don't be throwing garbage into our education system. Or if you want send your kids to a Christian school where they won't learn about evolution. Just keep your superstitions out of science.


OK I'm pretty much done. I'll entertain any questions if need be.

Another Jack-Catholic, eh? Methinks thou protests too much. You must be in your rebellious stage. You will come around to the truth someday when you realize what love truly is or else when you confront true evil or when you find you need God. All of your atheistic "rationality" will fall by the wayside.

To answer your myths directly:
1. The biggest killers in the world were atheistic: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, etc. Pretty big lack of morals there.
2. The left wing supports all the moral deviancy: prostitution, homosexuality, euthanasia, abortion, lewd & lascisvious behavior, etc. Why would any clean-living Christian support those left-wing ideas?
3. Why is all the Christian bashing coming from the atheistic crowd which is found in the left wing?

I agree that not ALL atheists are bad people. However, you will find more atheists on the left side of the political spectrum because most of them are communistic in nature. Communists believe that the State should replace God.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Myth #2 : If you are not uber-religous you must be a left winger. This couldn't be farther from the trugh. I know many libertarians who are atheists/agnostic or just not that serious about their religion that voted for GWB in the last election. You don't need to be a bible thumping fundamentalist to have some right wing ideology. As a matter of fact those are the people that will ultimately destroy the republican party. The Sean Hannitys of the world who pine over the Shaivo situation and take the extreme right aproach regarding euthanasia do not represent everyone in the republican party.

Well, gee, thanks for pointing that out for us. Most libs on MB's take great pleasure in framing the Republican party as being nothing but "bible thumping fundamentalists". As though that was a bad thing...

I always wonder about people who are so angry about God and the people who love and worship Him. Why so bitter?

 

[Nuc]

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I always wonder about people who are so angry about God and the people who love and worship Him. Why so bitter?

Probably as a result of those people telling the rest of us how we should live. The "you are going to hell" thing is also a bit rude.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Probably as a result of those people telling the rest of us how we should live. The "you are going to hell" thing is also a bit rude.

Yeah. Like when parents tell their kids to study, and not run in the street. What hateful parents.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Probably as a result of those people telling the rest of us how we should live. The "you are going to hell" thing is also a bit rude.

So your reaction is to tell us how to live? The "you can't have a cross on the gravesite of the fallen" (among other things) is also a bit rude.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Probably as a result of those people telling the rest of us how we should live. The "you are going to hell" thing is also a bit rude.

I don't think many Christians care how you live, as long as you don't force your lifestyle on us, and especially not on our kids. On the contrary, I think it is the non-Christians who want everyone else to be forced to accept condoms in schools, gay marriage, etc.

If we do care, it is only because we think that if you understood, you would choose heaven over hell. I am against anyone forcing their beliefs on another, but explaining a belief and forcing it on someone are two different things. Liberal policies, on the other hand, such as in-school lessons on how to put on a condom, are forced on everyone.

PS You don't seem bitter.

 

[Powerman]

You've taken strawman arguments to new heights, buddy.

Many atheists actually do have faith. They have Faith in socialism, despite it's repeated and demonstrable failures.

I know there are relatively conservative atheists, but most seem to have just a generalized contempt for western society, and all it stands for.

Yet another Myth. Atheists usually just have a contempt for fundamentalist nonsense and nothing else.

 

[Powerman]

Well, gee, thanks for pointing that out for us. Most libs on MB's take great pleasure in framing the Republican party as being nothing but "bible thumping fundamentalists". As though that was a bad thing...

I always wonder about people who are so angry about God and the people who love and worship Him. Why so bitter?

I have nothing against people that love and worship God. I have a problem with the people who are idiots about it. i.e. the young earth creationists and homophobes

I have no problem with religion. I have a problem with people that are stupid.

 

[Powerman]

I don't think many Christians care how you live, as long as you don't force your lifestyle on us, and especially not on our kids. On the contrary, I think it is the non-Christians who want everyone else to be forced to accept condoms in schools, gay marriage, etc.

If we do care, it is only because we think that if you understood, you would choose heaven over hell. I am against anyone forcing their beliefs on another, but explaining a belief and forcing it on someone are two different things. Liberal policies, on the other hand, such as in-school lessons on how to put on a condom, are forced on everyone.

PS You don't seem bitter.

I've never understood how gays are forcing their lifestyles on people. And the whole condom s at school thing isn't a bad idea. Not giving out condoms isn't going to stop people from having sex. I'd rather them use condoms if they are going to do it.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I've never understood how gays are forcing their lifestyles on people. And the whole condom s at school thing isn't a bad idea. Not giving out condoms isn't going to stop people from having sex. I'd rather them use condoms if they are going to do it.

Surely you see how forcing captive students to view pro gay propaganda is an attempt to normalize their lifestyle, aka, get everyone to accept it , aka forcing it on people.

 

[Powerman]

Surely you see how forcing captive students to view pro gay propaganda is an attempt to normalize their lifestyle, aka, get everyone to accept it , aka forcing it on people.

I see what you are saying. I have yet to see a case of this although it wouldn't surprise me. But that isn't forcing your lifestyle on someone. It's just letting people know that it is acceptable.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I see what you are saying. I have yet to see a case of this although it wouldn't surprise me. But that isn't forcing your lifestyle on someone. It's just letting people know that it is acceptable.

It's more like "actively teaching impressionable young minds that it's acceptable, despite the wishes of their parents"

 

[Annie]

I see what you are saying. I have yet to see a case of this although it wouldn't surprise me. But that isn't forcing your lifestyle on someone. It's just letting people know that it is acceptable.

but it's not acceptable to many, IF those practicing it insist on shoving it down other's throats, not literally of course.