Zelenski Says Trump Can't Make Him Negotiate With Russia....Practically Admitting He's Not Trying To End It

[beagle9]

Except, he's right. Until the Russian present a plan to remove all assets from all of Ukraine, he has zero incentive to negotiate.

That's a tall order seeing that Russian speaking natives of the old Soviet block and Russia have been in Ukraine long before Zelenskys regime was a glitch on the Russian radar.

Care to have a go at it again ?

 

[ESay]

Once you stop covering for the evil of Putin, this ends pretty quick. Out of about 144,000 people putin has lost close to a million already. The only gain I can see is that Putin may be using it to curb population. One of the oldest reasons to attack you neighbor.

I am not covering for anyone. And have always said that the Putin regime conducts silly and incompetent foreign policy. And said repeatedly in the past that taking away Crimea and the Donbas - two heavily pro-Russian regions in Ukraine - from Ukrainian political life was a gross mistake for Russia that would have bad consequences.

But those laughable figures you provide won't change the reality, either. In this war of attrition Russia clearly has an upper hand. Only when (or if) the price of Russian oil will be around 40 dollars, it would have any meaning to discuss that again.

 

[beagle9]

Russia is going broke very quickly....

Food rationing has begun.

The Ruble is worthless....back up to triple digits and beyond in value vx the dollar.

Running out of friends quickly....

If I was Putin....I'd stay away from windows, elevators, and funny tasting food.
Just saying....blame game is coming and Putin is going to take the blame.

Does a nation not have it's own vast array of resources that it can turn and draw from during a time of crisis, even if it was being a player/good world citizen when playing along in the game that was set forth by the WTO ?

Does a nation not have the ability to create it's own currency or give any power it needs to it's own currency from within, and all the while still trading in goods with it's allied nation's while having a currency exchange rate that is applied when it's allies buy or sell goods between them all in what is referred too as allies ????

Does Putin not have allies other than these United States and these NATO nation's that it has dealt with and traded with when out in the world in the past ??

Where does China stand on Putins war, along with other nation's not so cozy with the world that is making them eventually fall in line regardless of their independence as free nation's in the world ??

Does Ukraine have the resources or capacity to sustain it's efforts against a behemoth that is Russia, otherwise for whom still holds the nuclear key's that ultimately could finish the Ukraine government if and when it has had enough of the toying around trying to see how far it all goes as they are trying to clean out what it sees as a hornet's nest in the Ukraine government ?

Does the world know or have it's strategy for peace, otherwise to come forth soon because it already knows the outcome from a world perspective on who wins and who looses in these war's and rumors of war's eventually ???

Many questions remain.

 

[Vrenn]

Russia is going broke very quickly....

Food rationing has begun.

The Ruble is worthless....back up to triple digits and beyond in value vx the dollar.

Running out of friends quickly....

If I was Putin....I'd stay away from windows, elevators, and funny tasting food.
Just saying....blame game is coming and Putin is going to take the blame.

He already does. Notice how far everyone sits away from him at tables?

 

[Vrenn]

I am not covering for anyone. And have always said that the Putin regime conducts silly and incompetent foreign policy. And said repeatedly in the past that taking away Crimea and the Donbas - two heavily pro-Russian regions in Ukraine - from Ukrainian political life was a gross mistake for Russia that would have bad consequences.

But those laughable figures you provide won't change the reality, either. In this war of attrition Russia clearly has an upper hand. Only when (or if) the price of Russian oil will be around 40 dollars, it would have any meaning to discuss that again.

so now you back pedal. My figures are pretty damned close. Do you honestly believe that Putin's Russia is going to tell you the total deaths and crippled soldiers?

 

[Vrenn]

That's a tall order seeing that Russian speaking natives of the old Soviet block and Russia have been in Ukraine long before Zelenskys regime was a glitch on the Russian radar.

Care to have a go at it again ?

I guess we need to allow the Cherokee to take back it's stolen land. How about Japan invading South Korea once again. Or maybe have Bolivia invade it's neighbors. If you justify allowing Putin and his Cronies to try and keep Donbas and other parts that became Ukrainian Lands in 1991 then I guess you will also justify a hell of a lot more invasions by just about everyone. Hell, maybe we should allow Mexico to invade the old New Mexican Territories or allow Canada to invade Washington and Oregon.

 

[ESay]

so now you back pedal. My figures are pretty damned close. Do you honestly believe that Putin's Russia is going to tell you the total deaths and crippled soldiers?

Back pedal in what? If you consider me a Putin supporter, then try again. But I am not going to deny the reality and push some propaganda narratives.

Russia lies about their casualties. Ukraine lies about their casualties. The real figures will become known only after the war ends, and that won't be immediately. Every sane person understands that.

 

[Vrenn]

Does a nation not have it's own vast array of resources that it can turn and draw from during a time of crisis, even if it was being a player/good world citizen when playing along in the game that was set forth by the WTO ?

Does a nation not have the ability to create it's own currency or give any power it needs to it's own currency from within, and all the while still trading in goods with it's allied nation's while having a currency exchange rate that is applied when it's allies buy or sell goods between them all in what is referred too as allies ????

Does Putin not have allies other than these United States and these NATO nation's that it has dealt with and traded with when out in the world in the past ??

Where does China stand on Putins war, along with other nation's not so cozy with the world that is making them eventually fall in line regardless of their independence as free nation's in the world ??

Does Ukraine have the resources or capacity to sustain it's efforts against a behemoth that is Russia, otherwise for whom still holds the nuclear key's that ultimately could finish the Ukraine government if and when it has had enough of the toying around trying to see how far it all goes as they are trying to clean out what it sees as a hornet's nest in the Ukraine government ?

Does the world know or have it's strategy for peace, otherwise to come forth soon because it already knows the outcome from a world perspective on who wins and who looses in these war's and rumors of war's eventually ???

Many questions remain.

Just one question needs to be answered. Russia needs to pack it's toys and go home. Instant peace. The only good thing coming out of this has been that Russia can no longer support Assad and Assad has gathered his 1 Billion plus and fled the Syria. Now let the deals happen like Britain should have done in 1948.

 

[mudwhistle]

Except, he's right. Until the Russian present a plan to remove all assets from all of Ukraine, he has zero incentive to negotiate.

That makes no sense.

Clearly that nonsense was suggested to you by MSNBC or CNN.

Stop listening to idiots.,

 

[mudwhistle]

Just one question needs to be answered. Russia needs to pack it's toys and go home. Instant peace. The only good thing coming out of this has been that Russia can no longer support Assad and Assad has gathered his 1 Billion plus and fled the Syria. Now let the deals happen like Britain should have done in 1948.

Best way to get Russia out of Ukraine is by dropping oil prices so Russia can't afford to wage war anymore.

 

[Vrenn]

That makes no sense.

Clearly that nonsense was suggested to you by MSNBC or CNN.

Stop listening to idiots.,

I am retired Military and that would be the only thing that would bring me to the tables. Otherwise, Ukraine would be dictated to which rewards for the Putin Russian bad actors.

 

[mudwhistle]

I am retired Military and that would be the only thing that would bring me to the tables. Otherwise, Ukraine would be dictated to which rewards for the Putin Russian bad actors.

Being retired military and being an expert on diplomacy or military tactics is two different things.

Seems to me Putin is doing this because the WEF wants him to do it.

People are getting rich off of a long never-ending war.

These types love war.

 

[beagle9]

I guess we need to allow the Cherokee to take back it's stolen land. How about Japan invading South Korea once again. Or maybe have Bolivia invade it's neighbors. If you justify allowing Putin and his Cronies to try and keep Donbas and other parts that became Ukrainian Lands in 1991 then I guess you will also justify a hell of a lot more invasions by just about everyone. Hell, maybe we should allow Mexico to invade the old New Mexican Territories or allow Canada to invade Washington and Oregon.

I am not justifying or saying anything of the sort, but you do bring up a lot of issue's regarding how the leftist have used the very thing's you have spoken about over the year's looking back now, but it's ok when the left does it, but how dare anyone else in the world try it eh ?

 

[Deadstick]

That makes no sense.

Clearly that nonsense was suggested to you by MSNBC or CNN.

Stop listening to idiots.,

That's who idiots listen to other idiots.

 

[Vrenn]

Being retired military and being an expert on diplomacy or military tactics is two different things.

Seems to me Putin is doing this because the WEF wants him to do it.

People are getting rich off of a long never-ending war.

These types love war.

I can only speak for the Military and what keeps the Ukrainian Military motivated is that they are fighting an invading force.

 

[Vrenn]

I am not justifying or saying anything of the sort, but you do bring up a lot of issue's regarding how the leftist have used the very thing's you have spoken about over the year's looking back now, but it's ok when the left does it, but how dare anyone else in the world try it eh ?

You keep trying to make it a left and a right viewpoint. It's neither. The Ukrainians are fighting a dominant invading force and doing a pretty damn good job of it.

 

[Vrenn]

That makes no sense.

Clearly that nonsense was suggested to you by MSNBC or CNN.

Stop listening to idiots.,

One huge problem there, cupcake, I don't listen to MSNBC or CNN at all. I look at it from a military prospective and can see the only solution is for Russia and Putin to grab their toys and go home. Ukraine sees it that was as well.

 

[mudwhistle]

One huge problem there, cupcake, I don't listen to MSNBC or CNN at all. I look at it from a military prospective and can see the only solution is for Russia and Putin to grab their toys and go home. Ukraine sees it that was as well.

Did you just pull that out of your ass, or did your extensive expertise on military tactics tell you that?

The deal with looking at it from a military perspective is you have no clue that this war will never have a winner. That's not the purpose of it.

The Russian people and the people of Ukraine want the war to end, but as long as Putin and Zelensky are both making money fighting it, it's never going to end.

 

[beagle9]

You keep trying to make it a left and a right viewpoint. It's neither. The Ukrainians are fighting a dominant invading force and doing a pretty damn good job of it.

The Ukranians probably would have lost early on without assistance, and Ukraine would have been spared the destruction and the huge amount of lives lost, but Biden went to work quickly to support and shore up the defenses under Zelensky by way of giving him money, weapons, and technology when asked.... NATO joined to help out also, and it did so in an attempt to support Biden who is the president of a member country, and as well to help the Zelensky regime hang in there for as long as it could in hopes to push the Russians back out of Ukraine with it's help.

Am I right ?

If Putin doesn't quit however, then total devastation is almost certain to come to Ukraine out of the situation, because Zelensky won't stop now either.

We should have saw all of it coming, and we should have went directly into diplomacy peace mode by working heavily with both Putin and Zelensky before going into total assisting war mode in that theater.

 

[Vrenn]

Did you just pull that out of your ass, or did your extensive expertise on military tactics tell you that?

The deal with looking at it from a military perspective is you have no clue that this war will never have a winner. That's not the purpose of it.

The Russian people and the people of Ukraine want the war to end, but as long as Putin and Zelensky are both making money fighting it, it's never going to end.

If or when Putin is no longer in control (may happen any time now) Russia is going to have to gather up their toys and go home. Z would agree to that in a heartbeat and give back the russian territory that Ukraine has taken. Putin is bleeding money right now. He's into power and power alone like most Dictators do.

You can stop making excuses for the Bad Actors from Russia on this one.