Zone1 Jesus intended that Christians be politically-active

[JGalt]

Did you see Jesus as being politically active?

To Anyone Who Thinks Jesus Is Not “Political”

"Jesus’ message was after all inescapably political. He denounced rulers, real and self-appointed. He spoke of good news for the poor. He led large groups of people off into the wilderness, a sure sign of revolutionary intent. He announced the imminent destruction of the Jerusalem temple. At the start of a festival celebrating Israel’s liberation, he organized around himself what could only have looked like a royal procession. And he deliberately and dramatically acted out a parable of the temple’s destruction, thus drawing on to himself the anger of the authorities in a way which he could never have done by healing lepers and forgiving prostitutes (though we should not miss the revolutionary note in his offer of forgiveness, whose real offence lay in its bypassing of the temple cult). . . . He died the death of the lestai, the political insurrectionists (Barabbas, and the two crucified with Jesus, were lestai). How could he not have been ‘political’?"

N.T. Wright, “The New Testament and the State”

"Jesus was extremely political in that the people, practices, and ideas He spoke on were deeply connected to the politics of the day. In fact, it was political concerns—both Jewish and Roman—which accomplished His death."

Was Jesus ''Political?'' | BibleRef.com

"Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus. His historical life ended with a political execution. Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority, including chronically defiant slaves and subversives who were attracting a following. In the world of Jesus, a cross was always a Roman cross..."

Jesus and Politics - Bible Odyssey

Jesus and Politics

 

[luiza]

"my kingdom is not of this world" christ

The ultimate Kop -Out .
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But to Gullibles it promotes servitude and fear .

And we then have a" Deep State" upstairs as well as here .
From Cradle to Eternity , as they say .

 

[ding]

To Anyone Who Thinks Jesus Is Not “Political”

"Jesus’ message was after all inescapably political. He denounced rulers, real and self-appointed. He spoke of good news for the poor. He led large groups of people off into the wilderness, a sure sign of revolutionary intent. He announced the imminent destruction of the Jerusalem temple. At the start of a festival celebrating Israel’s liberation, he organized around himself what could only have looked like a royal procession. And he deliberately and dramatically acted out a parable of the temple’s destruction, thus drawing on to himself the anger of the authorities in a way which he could never have done by healing lepers and forgiving prostitutes (though we should not miss the revolutionary note in his offer of forgiveness, whose real offence lay in its bypassing of the temple cult). . . . He died the death of the lestai, the political insurrectionists (Barabbas, and the two crucified with Jesus, were lestai). How could he not have been ‘political’?"

N.T. Wright, “The New Testament and the State”

"Jesus was extremely political in that the people, practices, and ideas He spoke on were deeply connected to the politics of the day. In fact, it was political concerns—both Jewish and Roman—which accomplished His death."

Was Jesus ''Political?'' | BibleRef.com

"Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus. His historical life ended with a political execution. Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority, including chronically defiant slaves and subversives who were attracting a following. In the world of Jesus, a cross was always a Roman cross..."

Jesus and Politics - Bible Odyssey

Jesus and Politics

The key word was "active" in politically active. I'm not seeing it.

 

[lafayette]

Jesus was not political.

To any say He was political, you know not your Lord and Savior.

 

[Arlette]

To Anyone Who Thinks Jesus Is Not “Political”

"Jesus’ message was after all inescapably political. He denounced rulers, real and self-appointed. He spoke of good news for the poor. He led large groups of people off into the wilderness, a sure sign of revolutionary intent. He announced the imminent destruction of the Jerusalem temple. At the start of a festival celebrating Israel’s liberation, he organized around himself what could only have looked like a royal procession. And he deliberately and dramatically acted out a parable of the temple’s destruction, thus drawing on to himself the anger of the authorities in a way which he could never have done by healing lepers and forgiving prostitutes (though we should not miss the revolutionary note in his offer of forgiveness, whose real offence lay in its bypassing of the temple cult). . . . He died the death of the lestai, the political insurrectionists (Barabbas, and the two crucified with Jesus, were lestai). How could he not have been ‘political’?"

N.T. Wright, “The New Testament and the State”

"Jesus was extremely political in that the people, practices, and ideas He spoke on were deeply connected to the politics of the day. In fact, it was political concerns—both Jewish and Roman—which accomplished His death."

Was Jesus ''Political?'' | BibleRef.com

"Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus. His historical life ended with a political execution. Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority, including chronically defiant slaves and subversives who were attracting a following. In the world of Jesus, a cross was always a Roman cross..."

Jesus and Politics - Bible Odyssey

Jesus and Politics

List Chapter and verse that support your position.

 

[BreezeWood]

That's true but a Christian doesn't believe that. They use the Bible as their reference.

over the recorded history of persecution and victimization of the innocent - why do they do so ...

That is merely your opinion, without any proof. Thank you.

Don't eat the forbidden fruit


Stay away from the serpent

what serpent would that be, lafy the one madeup by the desert the christian use for their own protection ...

hashev the jew claims there is a judaism rule where whoever is arrested they should never be heard from again - ergo: arrest all who are not jews so jews can enjoy everything without the need to share - or just murder them as presently the policy of israel. those false commandments so proven and certainly not for them, the jews.

disagree - they do know what their bibles are and deceivingly pretend otherwise for their own selfish purposes.

 

[TruthNotBS]

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." He was not specifically speaking of the coin of the realm, He meant that in other respects as well. If you look at most any piece of money, you will generally see an image: George Washington on the Dollar, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, Lincoln, Jackson, Grant, Franklin, and so on.

Those people were modern-day Caesars, and like Roman times, we render unto the government they represented. In turn, the government's duty is to offer its citizens protection, provide services, make and enforce laws, regulate the economy, represent the people, and preserve good relations with other states, just as good Roman Emperors were tasked to do.

Now in a democracy such as ours, there are other things that belong to "Caesar" or one running for the highest political office: That would be your vote. In other words, it is your God-given duty to "render" that vote to whom you believe best represents your moral values. That would also include things like campaigning for that candidate, encouraging people to vote, making political contributions, making and coordinating communications, forming political committees, volunteering, becoming election officials, and holding events. These are all things Christians should consider as "rendering unto Caesar", in spite of the widely-held belief that Christians should abstain from political involvement.

Remember, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in our American Constitution, even though the Deist Jefferson believed the First Amendment's free exercise and establishment clauses together built "a wall of separation between church and state", and that the government should not favor one religion over the other. There is also nothing in the scriptures that directly condemns being involved in politics. In fact, every Christian should feel it to be their sacred duty to be politically-active and politically-engaged. By doing so, you can can limit the amount of control the government exercises over you, and hold your leaders accountable. And it is inexcusable for any Christian not to exercise their individual rights and defend their religious freedoms. You should never relinquish your ground, thereby leaving control of this earth to those leaders who are seeking ungodly aims.

When all candidates are bad, and not serving the interests of the people, then one could argue that it's your duty not to vote. We don't live in a democracy but in a plutocracy. Rule of the money, not the people. You're naive if you believe we live in a democracy. The deity of the Hebrew Bible and NT is a monarchist. There's no democracy amongst the ancient Israelites or in the kingdom of heaven, according to the biblical text.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." He was not specifically speaking of the coin of the realm, He meant that in other respects as well. If you look at most any piece of money, you will generally see an image: George Washington on the Dollar, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, Lincoln, Jackson, Grant, Franklin, and so on.

Those people were modern-day Caesars, and like Roman times, we render unto the government they represented. In turn, the government's duty is to offer its citizens protection, provide services, make and enforce laws, regulate the economy, represent the people, and preserve good relations with other states, just as good Roman Emperors were tasked to do.

Now in a democracy such as ours, there are other things that belong to "Caesar" or one running for the highest political office: That would be your vote. In other words, it is your God-given duty to "render" that vote to whom you believe best represents your moral values. That would also include things like campaigning for that candidate, encouraging people to vote, making political contributions, making and coordinating communications, forming political committees, volunteering, becoming election officials, and holding events. These are all things Christians should consider as "rendering unto Caesar", in spite of the widely-held belief that Christians should abstain from political involvement.

Remember, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in our American Constitution, even though the Deist Jefferson believed the First Amendment's free exercise and establishment clauses together built "a wall of separation between church and state", and that the government should not favor one religion over the other. There is also nothing in the scriptures that directly condemns being involved in politics. In fact, every Christian should feel it to be their sacred duty to be politically-active and politically-engaged. By doing so, you can can limit the amount of control the government exercises over you, and hold your leaders accountable. And it is inexcusable for any Christian not to exercise their individual rights and defend their religious freedoms. You should never relinquish your ground, thereby leaving control of this earth to those leaders who are seeking ungodly aims.

You overlook the fact that "democracies" are not Biblical. Kingdoms in scripture have kings not elections. As for choosing people just look to the book of Acts where the choice was made by drawing straws not casting votes.

Christians have no need for elections, we are to "come out of" the world and not participate in its worldly earthy affairs.

The US perversion of Christian nationalism that is now running rampant is a deception, not from God.

 

[JGalt]

When all candidates are bad, and not serving the interests of the people, then one could argue that it's your duty not to vote. We don't live in a democracy but in a plutocracy. Rule of the money, not the people. You're naive if you believe we live in a democracy. The deity of the Hebrew Bible and NT is a monarchist. There's no democracy amongst the ancient Israelites or in the kingdom of heaven, according to the biblical text.

Actually Biblical Rome was somewhat democratic, except not for the Jews. Even though the Senate was made up of Rome's elite, and the magistracies were largely controlled by a small number of powerful families, the Roman Republic had a government made up of the Senate and four assemblies.

The only "rendering" the Jews were allowed to Caesar were the taxes they paid and following the Roman laws. But rendering their taxes was what kept Caesar in power, just as rendering votes keep modern-day politicians in power.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Actually Biblical Rome was somewhat democratic, except not for the Jews. Even though the Senate was made up of Rome's elite, and the magistracies were largely controlled by a small number of powerful families, the Roman Republic had a government made up of the Senate and four assemblies.

The only "rendering" the Jews were allowed to Caesar were the taxes they paid and following the Roman laws. But rendering their taxes was what kept Caesar in power, just as rendering votes keep modern-day politicians in power.

Those politicians serve vested interests to the detriment of the American public and the world. This government is also under the control of Zionists, who are willing to sacrifice America for Israhell. It's MIGA, not MAGA:

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[gipper]

Those politicians serve vested interests to the detriment of the American public and the world. This government is also under the control of Zionists, who are willing to sacrifice America for Israhell. It's MIGA, not MAGA:

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Biden’s administration is full of Israel supporting Jews. No doubt K’s will be too, if she wins. Yet somehow many Americans think the two parties are different.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Biden’s administration is full of Israel supporting Jews. No doubt K’s will be too, if she wins. Yet somehow many Americans think the two parties are different.

 

[gipper]

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Imagine some other religion or nationality having such profound presence in our government. If instead of Jews, it were Muslims, or Mexicans, or Blacks etc, I suspect the American people might question it. They would never dare question the overwhelming presence of Jews in government, even though they are a tiny minority.

 

[g5000]

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." He was not specifically speaking of the coin of the realm, He meant that in other respects as well. If you look at most any piece of money, you will generally see an image: George Washington on the Dollar, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, Lincoln, Jackson, Grant, Franklin, and so on.

Those people were modern-day Caesars, and like Roman times, we render unto the government they represented. In turn, the government's duty is to offer its citizens protection, provide services, make and enforce laws, regulate the economy, represent the people, and preserve good relations with other states, just as good Roman Emperors were tasked to do.

Now in a democracy such as ours, there are other things that belong to "Caesar" or one running for the highest political office: That would be your vote. In other words, it is your God-given duty to "render" that vote to whom you believe best represents your moral values. That would also include things like campaigning for that candidate, encouraging people to vote, making political contributions, making and coordinating communications, forming political committees, volunteering, becoming election officials, and holding events. These are all things Christians should consider as "rendering unto Caesar", in spite of the widely-held belief that Christians should abstain from political involvement.

Remember, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in our American Constitution, even though the Deist Jefferson believed the First Amendment's free exercise and establishment clauses together built "a wall of separation between church and state", and that the government should not favor one religion over the other. There is also nothing in the scriptures that directly condemns being involved in politics. In fact, every Christian should feel it to be their sacred duty to be politically-active and politically-engaged. By doing so, you can can limit the amount of control the government exercises over you, and hold your leaders accountable. And it is inexcusable for any Christian not to exercise their individual rights and defend their religious freedoms. You should never relinquish your ground, thereby leaving control of this earth to those leaders who are seeking ungodly aims.

Dumbest, most ignorant post of the week.

You got everything completely ass backwards.

You clearly have not read the bible or any of the writings of our Founders.

 

[g5000]

The separation of church and state is not so much to protect politics from religion as it is to protect religion from politics.

These "Christian Nationalists" are destroying Christianity. They have infected their religion with politics and church attendance is reflecting the slow death of their religion as a result.

Look how the Never Attenders skyrocketed during the Trump era.

The weekly attendees are falling off a cliff.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Imagine some other religion or nationality having such profound presence in our government. If instead of Jews, it were Muslims, or Mexicans, or Blacks etc, I suspect the American people might question it. They would never dare question the overwhelming presence of Jews in government, even though they are a tiny minority.

Because our country and the Western world in general, are under their spell. Too many non-Jews in America worship Jews. They grovel at the feet of Jews, licking their boots. Jews have hoodwinked half the world, to believe that they're the "chosen special people of God". So they have a license to do whatever they want, even commit genocide, it doesn't matter. All of these Zionist Jews have dual allegiances, they are more committed to Israel than to the USA. They will destroy this country to save their Jewish racist, ethno-colonial state.

 

[g5000]

It disgusts me the mental flips and twists these so-called Christians do to excuse their support of a scumbag who violates at least one of the Ten Commandments every single day, and who is completely unrepentant of a life of thievery, adultery, lying, and greed.

 

[TruthNotBS]

It disgusts me the mental flips and twists these so-called Christians do to excuse their support of a scumbag who violates at least one of the Ten Commandments every single day, and who is completely unrepentant of a life of thievery, adultery, lying, and greed.

For the religious right, it all revolves around Israel, abortion, LGBTQ..etc. Social issues. They don't care if Trump is immoral in the areas you mentioned. He's white, he's strong against illegal immigration, especially if it comes from non-white countries, and he's a "strong leader" that Evangelicals yearn for. Their champion and archetype. They want to get rich like him, they want to get rid of the liberals..etc.

 

[Arlette]

To Anyone Who Thinks Jesus Is Not “Political”

"Jesus’ message was after all inescapably political. He denounced rulers, real and self-appointed. He spoke of good news for the poor. He led large groups of people off into the wilderness, a sure sign of revolutionary intent. He announced the imminent destruction of the Jerusalem temple. At the start of a festival celebrating Israel’s liberation, he organized around himself what could only have looked like a royal procession. And he deliberately and dramatically acted out a parable of the temple’s destruction, thus drawing on to himself the anger of the authorities in a way which he could never have done by healing lepers and forgiving prostitutes (though we should not miss the revolutionary note in his offer of forgiveness, whose real offence lay in its bypassing of the temple cult). . . . He died the death of the lestai, the political insurrectionists (Barabbas, and the two crucified with Jesus, were lestai). How could he not have been ‘political’?"

N.T. Wright, “The New Testament and the State”

"Jesus was extremely political in that the people, practices, and ideas He spoke on were deeply connected to the politics of the day. In fact, it was political concerns—both Jewish and Roman—which accomplished His death."

Was Jesus ''Political?'' | BibleRef.com

"Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus. His historical life ended with a political execution. Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority, including chronically defiant slaves and subversives who were attracting a following. In the world of Jesus, a cross was always a Roman cross..."

Jesus and Politics - Bible Odyssey

Jesus and Politics

The God of Abraham was no match for the Romans. God got his ass kicked

 

[g5000]

Jesus intended that Christians be politically-active​

Please point out the verses where Jesus told his followers to get into politics.

Dipshit.

I'm so tired of idiots making claims about Jesus being red or blue or his political beliefs about gay marriage. They just advertise their ignorance about the Bible, as you just did.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caeser's" was Jesus's response to a gotcha question, and it was brilliant. It was a verbal trap about whether or not the Jews should pay taxes. Either a yes or a no would have been used against Jesus by the hypocrites.

It was NOT about being politically active. You clearly have never read the Bible.