A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Montrovant]

I hope they do but I'm smart enough to know they won't.
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No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

 

[Silhouette]

Oops, sounds like a religious debate to me.

This thread is about the SECULAR PROBLEM of psychologically-depriving boys of fathers and girls of mothers...

Discuss.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I hope they do but I'm smart enough to know they won't.
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No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

 

[-S-]

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

No, I just tried to convince you that (outside the realm of insanity) saying both you hope everyone goes to heaven but you're comforted some won't makes absolutely zero since. You claim to be a Christian. A Christian would never feel comforted that some of God's children will in Hell.

My point this entire time was that you're too unintelligent to be debating here, because you don't understand the things you say. You're just an uninformed bigot, and hopefully you'll be taking your prejudiced views to the grave and not spreading the disease to your poor, uninformed children.
(I seriously feel bad for your offspring. Maybe a couple of nice gays should've adopted them).

 

[Conservative65]

No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Too many think that Jesus was just kidding when he said "go and sin no more". They also can't separate the concept of the person and the person's actions. They believe if you say something to a person about what they do being wrong based on your opinion, it means you hate the person. I can't hate someone I don't know but I can hate what God is very clear about being a sin.

 

[-S-]

Too many think that Jesus was just kidding when he said "go and sin no more". They also can't separate the concept of the person and the person's actions. They believe if you say something to a person about what they do being wrong based on your opinion, it means you hate the person. I can't hate someone I don't know but I can hate what God is very clear about being a sin.

Your comprehension level is pathetic, and everyone knows it.

 

[Conservative65]

I hope they do but I'm smart enough to know they won't.
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No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Since heaven is a perfect place and sinning is a sign of imperfection, why would I want imperfect sin in a perfect place? The comfort comes from knowing that while I have to deal and be around their sin on Earth, I won't in heaven. It doesn't mean I want people to do to hell but that I won't have to be around sin in heaven.

 

[Skylar]

Oops, sounds like a religious debate to me.

This thread is about the SECULAR PROBLEM of psychologically-depriving boys of fathers and girls of mothers...

Discuss.

I don't see how a lesbian couple having a child is a 'secular problem'. Or any of your business.

 

[elektra]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

 

[Skylar]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

What do you mean 'teach homosexuality'? You mean inform children of an appropriate age that homosexuality *exists*?

 

[Montrovant]

No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Does that mean that you consider yourself a saint, or that you believe you will be a saint before you die, or that you will become a saint after you die but before judgement, or that you don't expect to go to heaven?

Again, one of the most common concepts I've heard from Christianity is that all people, every last one other than Christ himself, is a sinner. No amount of repentance changes this intrinsic part of humanity. We are to strive to be as close to perfect as we can but will never achieve it in this life.

Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth.

Saying heaven is full of saints makes me wonder if you believe there are a lot of humans on Earth who are free from sin.

 

[Montrovant]

No, you said you 'hope they make it' to Heaven, but you're 'comforted' some won't.

That makes zero sense. Sorry, Old Bigot.

Are you bipolar, or just highly unintelligent?

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Since heaven is a perfect place and sinning is a sign of imperfection, why would I want imperfect sin in a perfect place? The comfort comes from knowing that while I have to deal and be around their sin on Earth, I won't in heaven. It doesn't mean I want people to do to hell but that I won't have to be around sin in heaven.

Again, isn't sin intrinsic to humanity? Do you believe that there are many people who live their lives free of sin?

 

[Syriusly]

Yes it matters. And gay couples don't really love kids in the first place or they wouldn't put kids in a situation where they are deprived of both gender roles. Real parents have a love for their children that's sacrificial, that puts their needs first. Gays selfishly attempt to create the illusion of a family no matter who it hurts. They are intrinsically self centered and hedonistic.

You act as if a woman and man having a kid automatically makes them good, 'sacrificial' parents. Science, statistics, and I myself from knowing unfortunate children growing up can assure you that you're wrong. You're getting high off sniffing your own rank dogma. Next time, spare yourself the embarrassment and do a 5 second google search to fact check your ridiculous claims.

Thanks for playing. You can leave now.

A mother and father create the ideal home. Anything else falls short of that ideal. The failure of some parents to meet that ideal doesn't invalidate it. Depriving a child of a mother or a father is wrong no matter how it's done.

A mother and a father might create an ideal home.

If the mother and father were ideal parents.

A mother and father create the ideal home. Anything else falls short of that ideal. The failure of some parents to meet that ideal doesn't invalidate it. Depriving a child of a mother or a father is wrong no matter how it's done.

If the state were to take a child away from a drug using, abusive mother and father, and a loving, responsible lesbian couple were to adopt it, I don't think the child would be 'deprived' of anything. You're just the kind of person that judges a group of people by it's whole instead of on the merit of individuals. This country is based on the merits of individuals, not on the stereotypes of groups. One day, I hope God allows you to see this, "Saint Michael".

Because a gay or lesbian couple are less than ideal, they should be considered only if there were no real parents left in the world. Fat chance. Children would fare better being raised feral by wolves than by sodomites.

What an asshole.

'less than ideal'- you mean like this couple that adopted a boy when he was 3 years old- and then when he told them he was gay- at 17- rejected him and tried to 'unadopt him'? Yeah- those parents were less than ideal.

Case Study 2 Family Rejects Gay Adopted Son Families Like Ours - 1-877-230-3055

Maybe if my fellow heterosexuals would stop treating their children as disposable- and actually stopped abandoning them there would be no need for other parents- heterosexuals or homosexual- to step up and take care of the children that they have abandoned.

The United States has a sordid history of attempting to decide who would be less than ideal parents- which resulted in the less than voluntary sterilization of many Americans- because other Americans thought that they could not be good parents.

Is that what you propose to prevent gay and lesbian couples from having children?

 

[Syriusly]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

 

[Syriusly]

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Too many think that Jesus was just kidding when he said "go and sin no more". They also can't separate the concept of the person and the person's actions. They believe if you say something to a person about what they do being wrong based on your opinion, it means you hate the person. I can't hate someone I don't know but I can hate what God is very clear about being a sin.

Too many think that Jesus didn't mean them when he said "Treat others as you would have them treat you" and "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

 

[Syriusly]

Oops, sounds like a religious debate to me.

This thread is about the SECULAR PROBLEM of psychologically-depriving boys of fathers and girls of mothers...

Discuss.

Okay- what do you propose to do to prevent the millions of children in America from being raised by a single parent?

 

[Conservative65]

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Does that mean that you consider yourself a saint, or that you believe you will be a saint before you die, or that you will become a saint after you die but before judgement, or that you don't expect to go to heaven?

Again, one of the most common concepts I've heard from Christianity is that all people, every last one other than Christ himself, is a sinner. No amount of repentance changes this intrinsic part of humanity. We are to strive to be as close to perfect as we can but will never achieve it in this life.

Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth.

Saying heaven is full of saints makes me wonder if you believe there are a lot of humans on Earth who are free from sin.

Never said I was a saint. What I will say is that I don't look at God's word then say He really didn't mean that.

Never said I didn't sin. Difference between me and those who try to alter God's word to make it out as if He meant something other than what He said is that I, although I fail due to being human, make an effort to live by God's word. Those that want to alter it to suit their personal choice don't. They live by the mindset that if they're a "good" person God wouldn't punish them eternally despite His word saying otherwise. That's the difference you get based on your last statement of "Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth" with one change. It's not a a may not get into heaven without repentance, it's a won't get in. God's word is clear just like God's word is clear about all falling short of His glory. There are those who fall short, because they are human, yet repent and try to live a way God would have them live and those who live like there's no hell.

 

[Conservative65]

I hope everyone makes it but I'm smart enough to know some will make choices in life that means they won't. I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven.

You can't fathom my high level of intelligence. If you even finished high school, the best you could do is a 2 year of State college. They let anyone in.

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Since heaven is a perfect place and sinning is a sign of imperfection, why would I want imperfect sin in a perfect place? The comfort comes from knowing that while I have to deal and be around their sin on Earth, I won't in heaven. It doesn't mean I want people to do to hell but that I won't have to be around sin in heaven.

Again, isn't sin intrinsic to humanity? Do you believe that there are many people who live their lives free of sin?

No one lives their life free from sin. That's why Jesus did what He did. Some make an honest effort to do so and others live thinking that if they are "good" people using their definition of good, they won't end up in hell despite God saying their choices will produce that result. It's not God's wish that any perish. God doesn't send people to hell. People's choices produce that result then they want to blame God for it.

There was a bumper sticker I saw several years ago that said "If you live like there's no hell, you better be right".

 

[Silhouette]

Oops, sounds like a religious debate to me.

This thread is about the SECULAR PROBLEM of psychologically-depriving boys of fathers and girls of mothers...

Discuss.

Okay- what do you propose to do to prevent the millions of children in America from being raised by a single parent?

Well to take your model, we should allow single parents, polygamists and incest duos/groups to redact the word "marriage" so that every child has married parent(s). Right? Or do you hate some children?

 

[Montrovant]

I shouldn't get involved in this silly sidetrack, but I can't help it.

It was my understand that according to Christianity, we are all sinners. Wouldn't that mean that everyone in heaven, minus Christ himself, is a sinner? I thought the point was to accept Christ as your savior and do your best to live sin free, but that we all will fail to do so; sinning is inherent in the human condition.

Sure we are. Some do their best to turn away and others think continuing to sin despite what Christ said about "go and sin no more" don't. They try to convince people being a "good person" or that because Christ said he loved all people, it means they can continue to sin and it will be OK.

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Since heaven is a perfect place and sinning is a sign of imperfection, why would I want imperfect sin in a perfect place? The comfort comes from knowing that while I have to deal and be around their sin on Earth, I won't in heaven. It doesn't mean I want people to do to hell but that I won't have to be around sin in heaven.

Again, isn't sin intrinsic to humanity? Do you believe that there are many people who live their lives free of sin?

No one lives their life free from sin. That's why Jesus did what He did. Some make an honest effort to do so and others live thinking that if they are "good" people using their definition of good, they won't end up in hell despite God saying their choices will produce that result. It's not God's wish that any perish. God doesn't send people to hell. People's choices produce that result then they want to blame God for it.

There was a bumper sticker I saw several years ago that said "If you live like there's no hell, you better be right".

Would it be fair to say that your statement would be more accurate if it said, "I'm comforted in knowing unrepentant sinners won't be in heaven."?