A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Skylar]

I'm gonna let the irony of that post just hang in the air like the scent of a burrito fart.

Irony is that you just described the smell of two homosexual men after performing their abnormal idea of sex.

Your post lacks intelligence.

Says the gal that still can't tell us what the hell she means with her own posts. When you can, then you can start to blather about 'intelligence'.

 

[elektra]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

What do you mean 'teach homosexuality'? You mean inform children of an appropriate age that homosexuality *exists*?

If you do not understand what I "mean" you are part of the problem.

From your inability to answer the question, it seems you don't understand what you 'mean' either.

So we share bafflement at the steaming rhetorical pile that was your post.

Liar

 

[Conservative65]

Does that mean that you consider yourself a saint, or that you believe you will be a saint before you die, or that you will become a saint after you die but before judgement, or that you don't expect to go to heaven?

Again, one of the most common concepts I've heard from Christianity is that all people, every last one other than Christ himself, is a sinner. No amount of repentance changes this intrinsic part of humanity. We are to strive to be as close to perfect as we can but will never achieve it in this life.

Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth.

Saying heaven is full of saints makes me wonder if you believe there are a lot of humans on Earth who are free from sin.

You haven't talked to many Christians then. Protestants believe in imputed righteousness, that is, a believer is positionally holy before God, sharing in the impeccable nature of Christ. We Catholics believe in progressive sanctification, that we pursue holiness in this life and that process is brought to completion in Purgatory, where all imperfections are removed in preparation for heaven. No Christian believes that we continue to be practicing sinners after conversion. The Bible says in several ways that we are to crucify the flesh and walk in the newness of our Christian confession; that we are new creations in Christ.

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

 

[Skylar]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

I think Conservative is a fine representative of the conservative religious view point on the matter.

Tell us more about the 'faggots' and 'n*ggers' and Jesus.

You know about the first two but you damn sure don't know a thing about the last one. Pretend all you want.

Says you. The same guy who is taking comfort in the damnation and eternal suffering of the 'faggots'. I'm fine with my relationship with Jesus.

Though I'm eager to have you represent the conservative Christian perspective by telling us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'.

 

[elektra]

I'm gonna let the irony of that post just hang in the air like the scent of a burrito fart.

Irony is that you just described the smell of two homosexual men after performing their abnormal idea of sex.

Your post lacks intelligence.

Says the gal that still can't tell us what the hell she means with her own posts. When you can, then you can start to blather about 'intelligence'.

Liar

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

****** denotes a special contempt for a particular kind of homosexual, the belligerent kind that targets Christian businesses for destruction. It certainly doesn't apply to all gay people, most of whom I believe are decent human beings who don't want anyone baking their wedding cake who doesn't want to. Ultimately I believe God will judge more harshly those who with malice and intent seek to bring harm on their fellow man more than he will what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.. Faggots are bullies who pretend to be victims, as most bullies do. Who don the cloak of persecution as they zealously persecute others, seeking confrontation with the one business who has a religious objection when many more businesses are willing to accommodate their needs. These are despicable people who deserve a particularly despicable title.

They are faggots. I do believe even Jesus would say so. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was quite the name caller when dealing with wicked people.

 

[Conservative65]

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

I think Conservative is a fine representative of the conservative religious view point on the matter.

Tell us more about the 'faggots' and 'n*ggers' and Jesus.

You know about the first two but you damn sure don't know a thing about the last one. Pretend all you want.

Says you. The same guy who is taking comfort in the damnation and eternal suffering of the 'faggots'. I'm fine with my relationship with Jesus.

Though I'm eager to have you represent the conservative Christian perspective by telling us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'.

Then you should listen to His Father's words about homosexuality.

I take comfort in knowing that sinners won't be in heaven. Heaven is perfect and sin isn't. Why would you want sin in heaven? I've explained it more than once. If you can't get it, you should be glad God's word didn't say anything about being a dumbass. You'd never be forgiven.

 

[Conservative65]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

****** denotes a special contempt for a particular kind of homosexual, the belligerent kind that targets Christian businesses for destruction. It certainly doesn't apply to all gay people, most of whom I believe are decent human beings who don't want anyone baking their wedding cake who doesn't want to. Ultimately I believe God will judge more harshly those who with malice and intent seek to bring harm on their fellow man more than he will what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.. Faggots are bullies who pretend to be victims, as most bullies do. Who don the cloak of persecution as they zealously persecute others, seeking confrontation with the one business who has a religious objection when many more businesses are willing to accommodate their needs. These are despicable people who deserve a particularly despicable title.

They are faggots. I do believe even Jesus would say so. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was quite the name caller when dealing with wicked people.

God's word is clear about those who won't inherit His kingdom and the names he uses are very nice. God has a way of telling it like it is and too many simply believe He didn't mean it.

 

[Skylar]

You haven't talked to many Christians then. Protestants believe in imputed righteousness, that is, a believer is positionally holy before God, sharing in the impeccable nature of Christ. We Catholics believe in progressive sanctification, that we pursue holiness in this life and that process is brought to completion in Purgatory, where all imperfections are removed in preparation for heaven. No Christian believes that we continue to be practicing sinners after conversion. The Bible says in several ways that we are to crucify the flesh and walk in the newness of our Christian confession; that we are new creations in Christ.

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

 

[Conservative65]

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

 

[elektra]

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

 

[Skylar]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

****** denotes a special contempt for a particular kind of homosexual, the belligerent kind that targets Christian businesses for destruction. It certainly doesn't apply to all gay people, most of whom I believe are decent human beings who don't want anyone baking their wedding cake who doesn't want to. Ultimately I believe God will judge more harshly those who with malice and intent seek to bring harm on their fellow man more than he will what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.. Faggots are bullies who pretend to be victims, as most bullies do. Who don the cloak of persecution as they zealously persecute others, seeking confrontation with the one business who has a religious objection when many more businesses are willing to accommodate their needs. These are despicable people who deserve a particularly despicable title.

They are faggots. I do believe even Jesus would say so. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was quite the name caller when dealing with wicked people.

God's word is clear about those who won't inherit His kingdom and the names he uses are very nice. God has a way of telling it like it is and too many simply believe He didn't mean it.

It was clear enough to the folks in Pennsylvania in the era of the founders that they executed Gays.....with their law being passages from Leviticus, word for word. In fact, Christianity through out most of its history has executed for sodomy.

Did God change his mind? Or was there a 'clarity' problem that only got solved in the last dozen decades or so?

 

[Skylar]

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

And now you've abandoned your entire argument to toss awkward attempts at insult at me.

So much for your claim that the 'left teaches chidren homosexuality'. Even you have no idea what that means.

 

[Conservative65]

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

Just one of those God warned us about. There are plenty of verses where true believers are warned about the false teachings of people like Skylar. It's clear they will deceive many but those who hold to the truth will be able to recognize them. It's easy to recognize this one.

 

[Skylar]

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

 

[Conservative65]

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

****** denotes a special contempt for a particular kind of homosexual, the belligerent kind that targets Christian businesses for destruction. It certainly doesn't apply to all gay people, most of whom I believe are decent human beings who don't want anyone baking their wedding cake who doesn't want to. Ultimately I believe God will judge more harshly those who with malice and intent seek to bring harm on their fellow man more than he will what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.. Faggots are bullies who pretend to be victims, as most bullies do. Who don the cloak of persecution as they zealously persecute others, seeking confrontation with the one business who has a religious objection when many more businesses are willing to accommodate their needs. These are despicable people who deserve a particularly despicable title.

They are faggots. I do believe even Jesus would say so. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was quite the name caller when dealing with wicked people.

God's word is clear about those who won't inherit His kingdom and the names he uses are very nice. God has a way of telling it like it is and too many simply believe He didn't mean it.

It was clear enough to the folks in Pennsylvania in the era of the founders that they executed Gays.....with their law being passages from Leviticus, word for word. In fact, Christianity through out most of its history has executed for sodomy.

Did God change his mind? Or was there a 'clarity' problem that only got solved in the last dozen decades or so?

That involved PEOPLE not God. On another post, I asked for NT verses. Do you have any?

 

[Skylar]

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

Just one of those God warned us about. There are plenty of verses where true believers are warned about the false teachings of people like Skylar. It's clear they will deceive many but those who hold to the truth will be able to recognize them. It's easy to recognize this one.

If its so 'easy', then why have Christians killed gays for most of their history?

The Puritans killed gays and adulters.

The founders just gays.

Modern Christians neither.

Did....did God change his mind? I mean, if its as easy and clear as you imagine, then wouldn't all Christians everywhere agree? And not just everywhere....but everywhen? If so, why don't they?

 

[Skylar]

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

****** denotes a special contempt for a particular kind of homosexual, the belligerent kind that targets Christian businesses for destruction. It certainly doesn't apply to all gay people, most of whom I believe are decent human beings who don't want anyone baking their wedding cake who doesn't want to. Ultimately I believe God will judge more harshly those who with malice and intent seek to bring harm on their fellow man more than he will what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.. Faggots are bullies who pretend to be victims, as most bullies do. Who don the cloak of persecution as they zealously persecute others, seeking confrontation with the one business who has a religious objection when many more businesses are willing to accommodate their needs. These are despicable people who deserve a particularly despicable title.

They are faggots. I do believe even Jesus would say so. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was quite the name caller when dealing with wicked people.

God's word is clear about those who won't inherit His kingdom and the names he uses are very nice. God has a way of telling it like it is and too many simply believe He didn't mean it.

It was clear enough to the folks in Pennsylvania in the era of the founders that they executed Gays.....with their law being passages from Leviticus, word for word. In fact, Christianity through out most of its history has executed for sodomy.

Did God change his mind? Or was there a 'clarity' problem that only got solved in the last dozen decades or so?

That involved PEOPLE not God. On another post, I asked for NT verses. Do you have any?

You're a person. The 'true believers' are people. If people are involved, then I can't trust what is being said? You seem to be laying the groundwork for the dismissal of pretty much everything you're saying.

Unless you're arguing that almost all Christians through out the history of your faith weren't actually 'true believers', then your argument has some serious problems. Either its not as 'easy' as you imagine. Which means that either the founders and most of the History of your faith got it wrong....or you did.

Either that.... or God changed his mind.

And for a 'true believer', you sure are squemish about what you actually believe. Whenever I ask you a question about your faith, you evade. And you think this makes Christianity look good? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're trying to hide something.

 

[Conservative65]

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT. I've asked for NT verses where it says to kill homos. You have none. However, if you want to continue with the OT view, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Even those two have become metaphors for vice and homosexuality as being deviant. That didn't happen for no reason.

You don't want a clear perspective, you want people to simply bend over and grab their ankles for what you say God's word means. If you wanted a clear perspective, you wouldn't continue to fight a losing argument.

 

[Skylar]

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

You don't want a clear perspective, you want people to simply bend over and grab their ankles for what you say God's word means. If you wanted a clear perspective, you wouldn't continue to fight a losing argument.

I'm asking why your faith is so inconsistent on this issue. And what makes almost the entire history of your faith wrong......and you right.

And you won't touch that with a 10 foot pole, will you?

I mean, think of the odds. That for nearly 2000 years, Christianity got it completely ******* wrong on gays, utterly blundering so completely that they committed acts of murder against gays in God's name.....

......until you came along and understood what God 'really meant'.