A Brilliant Analysis of Western Decline...

This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."

Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.



For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.






1. But one of my fav thinkers, Camille Paglia, has an insightful take on the matter...." But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

2. .... pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,"...

a. .... people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too.

[May I interject that that is the exact distinction between the American Revolution, and the French!
America's Founders believed no such thing, and that is the reason we have checks and balances.]




4. Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten.
"Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says,... does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.".... Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

a. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

5. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" ...

6. A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a "revalorization" of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women's studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

a. " Michelle Obama's going on: 'Everybody must have college.' Why? Why? What is the reason why everyone has to go to college? Especially when college is so utterly meaningless right now, it has no core curriculum" and "people end up saddled with huge debts," ......





7. ... iconoclastic women of the 1930s, like Earhart and Katharine Hepburn, remain her ideal feminist role models: independent, brave, enterprising, capable of competing with men without bashing them. But since at least the late 1960s, she says, fellow feminists in the academy stopped sharing her vision of "equal-opportunity feminism" that demands a level playing field without demanding special quotas or protections for women.

a. there was the time she "barely got through the dinner" with a group of women's studies professors at Bennington College, where she had her first teaching job, who insisted that there is no hormonal difference between men and women. "I left before dessert."






8. .... these ideological excesses bear much of the blame for the current cultural decline. She calls out activists like Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf and Susan Faludi for pushing a version of feminism that says gender is nothing more than a social construct, and groups like the National Organization for Women for making abortion the singular women's issue..... and falsely promised that women could "have it all." And by impugning women who chose to forgo careers to stay at home with children, feminists turned off many who might have happily joined their ranks.




9. ... "I want every 14-year-old girl . . . to be told: You better start thinking what do you want in life. If you just want a career and no children you don't have much to worry about. If, however, you are thinking you'd like to have children some day you should start thinking about when do you want to have them. Early or late? To have them early means you are going to make a career sacrifice, but you're going to have more energy and less risks.

10. To save feminism as a political movement from irrelevance, Ms. Paglia says, the women's movement should return to its roots. That means abandoning the "nanny state" mentality that led to politically correct speech codes and college disciplinary committees that have come to replace courts.
The movement can win converts, she says, but it needs to become a big tent, one "open to stay-at-home moms" and "not just the career woman."
The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com




If only men could, once again, be men.....not some ObamaCare incarnation like 'pajama boy.'

Ahh the Queen of Gish Gallop is back!!

The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as "starting 10 fires in 10 minutes."

Gish Gallop - RationalWiki
 
The Decline of the West is the direct result of open borders and other so-called progressive ideas. All barriers of a moral code have been eradicated in lieu of non judgmental drivel, leading directly to the breakdown of the family, rampant sexual freedom and the dilution of cultural norms.

so you want laws about moral codes?

you want laws about SEX????


not very freedomy of you now is it.

BTW you will NEVER be allowed to FORCE your religious morals on the rest of us.

try to grow the hell up and live in reality

First of all, go fuck yourself.

Okay, now that we have dispensed with that, I'm not talking about laws regarding sex, you fucking brain dead monkey, I'm talking about the change in social attitudes, the dumbing down of morality, the pumping up of slutty behavior. I'm talking about the epidemic of families without fathers. I'm talking about the very idea that we have become conditioned to think it's just fine for some selfish women to have children with no intention of a father ever being in the home, like it's just all well and good.

The rest is all about the breakdown of a homogenous society where a large majority found comfort in their common interests, including language, religion, culture.
 
This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."

Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.



For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.






1. But one of my fav thinkers, Camille Paglia, has an insightful take on the matter...." But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

2. .... pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,"...

a. .... people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too.

[May I interject that that is the exact distinction between the American Revolution, and the French!
America's Founders believed no such thing, and that is the reason we have checks and balances.]




4. Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten.
"Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says,... does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.".... Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

a. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

5. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" ...

6. A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a "revalorization" of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women's studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

a. " Michelle Obama's going on: 'Everybody must have college.' Why? Why? What is the reason why everyone has to go to college? Especially when college is so utterly meaningless right now, it has no core curriculum" and "people end up saddled with huge debts," ......





7. ... iconoclastic women of the 1930s, like Earhart and Katharine Hepburn, remain her ideal feminist role models: independent, brave, enterprising, capable of competing with men without bashing them. But since at least the late 1960s, she says, fellow feminists in the academy stopped sharing her vision of "equal-opportunity feminism" that demands a level playing field without demanding special quotas or protections for women.

a. there was the time she "barely got through the dinner" with a group of women's studies professors at Bennington College, where she had her first teaching job, who insisted that there is no hormonal difference between men and women. "I left before dessert."






8. .... these ideological excesses bear much of the blame for the current cultural decline. She calls out activists like Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf and Susan Faludi for pushing a version of feminism that says gender is nothing more than a social construct, and groups like the National Organization for Women for making abortion the singular women's issue..... and falsely promised that women could "have it all." And by impugning women who chose to forgo careers to stay at home with children, feminists turned off many who might have happily joined their ranks.




9. ... "I want every 14-year-old girl . . . to be told: You better start thinking what do you want in life. If you just want a career and no children you don't have much to worry about. If, however, you are thinking you'd like to have children some day you should start thinking about when do you want to have them. Early or late? To have them early means you are going to make a career sacrifice, but you're going to have more energy and less risks.

10. To save feminism as a political movement from irrelevance, Ms. Paglia says, the women's movement should return to its roots. That means abandoning the "nanny state" mentality that led to politically correct speech codes and college disciplinary committees that have come to replace courts.
The movement can win converts, she says, but it needs to become a big tent, one "open to stay-at-home moms" and "not just the career woman."
The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com




If only men could, once again, be men.....not some ObamaCare incarnation like 'pajama boy.'

Ahh the Queen of Gish Gallop is back!!

The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as "starting 10 fires in 10 minutes."

Gish Gallop - RationalWiki




Cast aspersions and then run away.....

...how very Leftist of you.




I notice you failed to provide any examples of lies......


You know what that means.....
You are the inspiration for the slogan, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
 
College a waste of time? Sorry, its one's only shot at the middle class otherwise one ends up working for some lousy place for low wages for too long.



Here's a word you should learn:

en·tre·pre·neur (ntr-pr-nûr, -nr)
n.
A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.
 
Right-wing + Christian is a bad combination:

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Munich (April 12, 1922)

"I am also religious, profoundly religious on the inside, and I believe that Providence weighs human beings. Those who do not pass the trials imposed by Providence, who are broken by them, are not destined by Providence for greater things. It is a natural necessity that only the strong remain after this selection."
-- Adolf Hitler; from Munich Löwenbräukeller (November 8, 1943)
Actually, Hitler and the Nazi's were "Left" wing National Socialists. ... :cool:

lol, wow. not even close: http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf :eusa_hand:





Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you?

He's 'more than close.'

Time for your remediation:



1. Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right. WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



2. Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race... Communism....international socialism.


3. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.



4. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.



Get it?

Both are homicidal totalitarian inceptions.
 
If only men could, once again, be men.....not some ObamaCare incarnation like 'pajama boy.'

The corporate state LOVEs emasculated males.

Note that now women are doing far better than men in climbing the corporate ladder?


Corporations do not want original thinkers, they do not people who question authority, they do not want people who think we can attain a better outcome by debate OR CONFLICT ...

CORPORATIONS WANT OBLIGING TOOLS.




"The corporate state LOVEs emasculated males."


So....why did ObamaCare ads picture pajama boy?



"Pajama Boy’s place in Internet infamy was secured as soon as the insufferable man-child was tweeted out by Organizing for America.
He is the face of a web ad that is the latest effort by the Obama team to leverage the holidays for conversation about Obamacare. “Wear pajamas,” the ad reads. “Drink hot chocolate. Talk about getting health insurance. #GetTalking.”


Pajama Boy, An Insufferable Man-Child - Rich Lowry - POLITICO Magazine
 
Actually, Hitler and the Nazi's were "Left" wing National Socialists. ... :cool:

lol, wow. not even close: http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf :eusa_hand:





Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you?

He's 'more than close.'

Time for your remediation:



1. Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right. WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



2. Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race... Communism....international socialism.


3. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.



4. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.



Get it?

Both are homicidal totalitarian inceptions.

You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)

After this, the party adopted the economic system that Mussolini had implemented in Italy; Fascism:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

"I consider that a Government which means to relieve rapidly peoples from after-war crises should allow free play to private enterprise, should renounce any meddling or restrictive legislation, which may please the Socialist demagogues, but proves, in the end, as experience shows, absolutely ruinous"
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech to International Congress of the Chambers of Commerce (March 18, 1923)
 
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You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)
Both the National Socialists and the Communists murdered the intelligentsia in mass.

It's standard practice of the 'Left' when they assume power. ... :cool:
 
You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)
Both the National Socialists and the Communists murdered the intelligentsia in mass.

It's standard practice of the 'Left' when they assume power. ... :cool:

The left/center or the Nazi party were not the intelligentsia. They were also lowly thugs.
 





Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you?

He's 'more than close.'

Time for your remediation:



1. Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right. WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



2. Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race... Communism....international socialism.


3. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.



4. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.



Get it?

Both are homicidal totalitarian inceptions.

You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)

After this, the party adopted the economic system that Mussolini had implemented in Italy; Fascism:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

"I consider that a Government which means to relieve rapidly peoples from after-war crises should allow free play to private enterprise, should renounce any meddling or restrictive legislation, which may please the Socialist demagogues, but proves, in the end, as experience shows, absolutely ruinous"
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech to International Congress of the Chambers of Commerce (March 18, 1923)






Goebell's and Hitler both verify that Nazis and Communists are the same, and any minor differences you find are differences without distinctions.


Those of you on the Left wish fervently to place a space between yourselves and the Nazis because of the revelations of the Holocaust.

Yet, Stalin exterminated whole groups, and in greater numbers than Hitler.





Stalin had treaties with Hitler and provided strategic materials for the Blitzkrieg....up until Operation Barbarossa.




FDR had extraordinarily good relations with Hitler, and the two shared economic policies....

...and had it not been for the Holocaust, and FDR's infatuation with Stalin, the Left would not have the full court press trying to tie the Right to Hitler.



Did you know that Stalin actually taught the SS how to exterminate and to operate concentration camps?
 
You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)
Both the National Socialists and the Communists murdered the intelligentsia in mass.

It's standard practice of the 'Left' when they assume power. ... :cool:

Absolutely!


Lenin believed in Utopia, a harmony reached only after certain groups of people are killed: the 'War of Classes'.

'Initially, wherever communists come to power, Russia, Cuba, Poland, Nicaragua, China, it doesn't matter- they destroy about 10% of the people. They are not enemies...best intellectuals, best workers, best engineers...doesn't matter. It is to restructure the fabric of society, a form of social engineering."
Vladimir Bukovsky.


"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble."
Lenin
He took power in 1917.
 
Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you?

He's 'more than close.'

Time for your remediation:



1. Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right. WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



2. Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race... Communism....international socialism.


3. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.



4. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika.

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.



Get it?

Both are homicidal totalitarian inceptions.

You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)

After this, the party adopted the economic system that Mussolini had implemented in Italy; Fascism:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

"I consider that a Government which means to relieve rapidly peoples from after-war crises should allow free play to private enterprise, should renounce any meddling or restrictive legislation, which may please the Socialist demagogues, but proves, in the end, as experience shows, absolutely ruinous"
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech to International Congress of the Chambers of Commerce (March 18, 1923)






Goebell's and Hitler both verify that Nazis and Communists are the same, and any minor differences you find are differences without distinctions.


Those of you on the Left wish fervently to place a space between yourselves and the Nazis because of the revelations of the Holocaust.

Yet, Stalin exterminated whole groups, and in greater numbers than Hitler.





Stalin had treaties with Hitler and provided strategic materials for the Blitzkrieg....up until Operation Barbarossa.




FDR had extraordinarily good relations with Hitler, and the two shared economic policies....

...and had it not been for the Holocaust, and FDR's infatuation with Stalin, the Left would not have the full court press trying to tie the Right to Hitler.



Did you know that Stalin actually taught the SS how to exterminate and to operate concentration camps?

Do you have any sources to cite? (Kitty Werthmann doesn't count)
 
You seem to have neglected the part where--once in power--the right wing of the Nazi party killed off the entire left wing (it was called the Night of Long Knives)

After this, the party adopted the economic system that Mussolini had implemented in Italy; Fascism:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

"I consider that a Government which means to relieve rapidly peoples from after-war crises should allow free play to private enterprise, should renounce any meddling or restrictive legislation, which may please the Socialist demagogues, but proves, in the end, as experience shows, absolutely ruinous"
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech to International Congress of the Chambers of Commerce (March 18, 1923)






Goebell's and Hitler both verify that Nazis and Communists are the same, and any minor differences you find are differences without distinctions.


Those of you on the Left wish fervently to place a space between yourselves and the Nazis because of the revelations of the Holocaust.

Yet, Stalin exterminated whole groups, and in greater numbers than Hitler.





Stalin had treaties with Hitler and provided strategic materials for the Blitzkrieg....up until Operation Barbarossa.




FDR had extraordinarily good relations with Hitler, and the two shared economic policies....

...and had it not been for the Holocaust, and FDR's infatuation with Stalin, the Left would not have the full court press trying to tie the Right to Hitler.



Did you know that Stalin actually taught the SS how to exterminate and to operate concentration camps?

Do you have any sources to cite? (Kitty Werthmann doesn't count)



Why.....we both know it won't make a difference to you.


But, yes....


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems."
Europe.view: Telling the Soviet story | The Economist


In it is both documentation....for example, the actual NYTimes article shown, and the treaties between Hitler and Stalin,....and witness testimony.

Well worth an hour and a half of your time:

- The Soviet Story (Docu) - Full Movie / English - LivingScoop
 
The rest is all about the breakdown of a homogenous society where a large majority found comfort in their common interests, including language, religion, culture.


We've never been a homogeneous society, you numbskull.
 

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