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If I were you, I would not embrace "TJ" (Jefferson?) as your spiritual leader too completely without having also seriously studied the numerous saints or sages of Christianity as well. Both cannot be right."Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."--TJ
Whatever that means?It's been my experience that people don't mock God, they mock the invented gods of religion.
If I were you, I would not embrace "TJ" (Jefferson?) as your spiritual leader too completely without having also seriously studied the numerous saints or sages of Christianity as well. Both cannot be right."Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."--TJ
Whatever that means?It's been my experience that people don't mock God, they mock the invented gods of religion.
Are you also suggesting that atheism is not a mocking of that which it cannot know for sure? Or is it just those who claim to have knowledge of a deity (all invented according to you) that are cause for mocking?
man had morals long before he invented religion
So.....exactly how old are you?
Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure….there could be good pagans….or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."--TJ
If I were you, I would not embrace "TJ" (Jefferson?) as your spiritual leader too completely without having also seriously studied the numerous saints or sages of Christianity as well. Both cannot be right.
Whatever that means?It's been my experience that people don't mock God, they mock the invented gods of religion.
Are you also suggesting that atheism is not a mocking of that which it cannot know for sure? Or is it just those who claim to have knowledge of a deity (all invented according to you) that are cause for mocking?
This morn, a poster did this victory chant:
".....you got your ass kicked in New York City, in Virginia, and on 6Nov12. With this kind of nonsense, may well get it kicked again Nov14, as well as Nov16."
Hard for me to recognize how many don't realize that they are witnessing...and assisting....in the death of this great society.
For my lights, Western Civilization began to die when the French Revolution made its aim replacing religion with reason, mindless of the fact that reason, or science, have no moral basis. As such, the French Revolution became the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world.
I would not say that reason has no moral basis since all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law (set by God of course). And our moral conscience is based on that kind of reason. "Reason," the word is too generic to define.
Pure science may have no moral compass, on that I would agree. The French Revolution was a seminal political ideology that propagated far more moral decay than moral or civil advancement, yes, I agree on that as well. When society refuses to acknowledge and reverence its creator, but instead ignore the thought, great perils await and sin flourishes. Intellectual pride has surely propagated this secular humanist attitude and psychology, and we all suffer because of it. I think our nation and present Western civilization is far more rotten out on the inside than can be seen by most on the outside. God is not one to be mocked.
ps - who is pajama boy?
"...all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law..."
If only that were true.
Pajama boy is the effete boy-man pic used by ObamaCare to 'entice' younger folks to sign up.....see him here:
Left Is Getting Desperate Over Pajama Boy - Fox Nation
man had morals long before he invented religion
So.....exactly how old are you?
Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure .there could be good pagans .or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.
mans mind invented religion.
there fore mans mind invented the morals that go along with religion huh?
there is no god.
man invented god and morals.
your just so prejudiced against what others believe that you call their morals unreal.
your just that prejudiced and stupid
mans mind invented religion.
there fore mans mind invented the morals that go along with religion huh?
there is no god.
man invented god and morals.
What are you talking about? Because the claims of Jesus and Muhammad contradict then they both have to be false??? Are you looking for an easy way out of being accountable to God?The only two reasonable positions on God are laissez-faire deism and atheism. A reasonable person can be certain (today especially) that revealed gods and supernatural events are false because they are contradictory, unreasonable and completely lacking in evidence except for hearsay.
Too vague and from the looks of it, not very instructional at all.And it makes sense that things would be set up that way, since it's how God would maintain our free will. This natural universe would serve no other purpose that God couldn't accomplish straight up. We must not know that God exists, and God couldn't set it up to indicate that "It" doesn't exist, because that would be a lie--God must be equivalent with Truth.
I would not say that reason has no moral basis since all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law (set by God of course). And our moral conscience is based on that kind of reason. "Reason," the word is too generic to define.
Pure science may have no moral compass, on that I would agree. The French Revolution was a seminal political ideology that propagated far more moral decay than moral or civil advancement, yes, I agree on that as well. When society refuses to acknowledge and reverence its creator, but instead ignore the thought, great perils await and sin flourishes. Intellectual pride has surely propagated this secular humanist attitude and psychology, and we all suffer because of it. I think our nation and present Western civilization is far more rotten out on the inside than can be seen by most on the outside. God is not one to be mocked.
ps - who is pajama boy?
"...all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law..."
If only that were true.
Pajama boy is the effete boy-man pic used by ObamaCare to 'entice' younger folks to sign up.....see him here:
Left Is Getting Desperate Over Pajama Boy - Fox Nation
mankind grew a larger brain due to their need to communicate with other humans.
Mankind was a co operating species.
that is what it took for mankind to survive the world.
Compassion is one of the emotions the brain was further wired to accomadate.
You want to pretend man is nothing but evil without god.
I don't have to pretend that to cling to ancient mans invented beliefs that he needed to explain the things he didn't understand about life....you do.
You have accepted a belief that is based on OLD outdated information.
that is your right
have at it.
DONT then think you can force the rest of us to do YOUR religions bidding.
the founders didn't like that idea and neither do I
What are you talking about? Because the claims of Jesus and Muhammad contradict then they both have to be false??? Are you looking for an easy way out of being accountable to God?The only two reasonable positions on God are laissez-faire deism and atheism. A reasonable person can be certain (today especially) that revealed gods and supernatural events are false because they are contradictory, unreasonable and completely lacking in evidence except for hearsay.
And it makes sense that things would be set up that way, since it's how God would maintain our free will. This natural universe would serve no other purpose that God couldn't accomplish straight up. We must not know that God exists, and God couldn't set it up to indicate that "It" doesn't exist, because that would be a lie--God must be equivalent with Truth.
Too vague and from the looks of it, not very instructional at all.
Let’s see… you are saying that God purposefully made Himself, more or less, unknown to mankind so mankind could maintain its free will? This makes no sense to me?
It also makes no sense to me that God would not reveal to His creation our purpose for existence?
Or course He has, but the pride of man, more than anything else, rebels against the evidence (the way I see it).
As a father, do you think it wise to let your child grow up completely on its own wits or intuitions or is it much preferred for the father to instruct the child in the ways of the world and what it is to be moral and just and merciful?
The latter of course… our God is no different. It does not impede on free will in the least.
Genesis 3:22
And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil;
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?
The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?
The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.
The health of Western Civilization doesn't center on its scientific efforts...it depends upon the ideology which makes such science possible.
Just sayin'.
man had morals long before he invented religion
So.....exactly how old are you?
Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure .there could be good pagans .or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.
Wow, Western Civilization began to die before we eradicated the plague and smallpox from the earth? Before we split the atom and landed on the Moon?
The greatest threat to modern society is anti-intellectual drivel like this.
Funny, most rightwing nuts only want to return to the Gilded Age or thereabouts.
Now we have one longing for the halcyon days of antediluvian France, so to speak.
"...all of mankind was born with innate natural moral law..."
If only that were true.
Pajama boy is the effete boy-man pic used by ObamaCare to 'entice' younger folks to sign up.....see him here:
Left Is Getting Desperate Over Pajama Boy - Fox Nation
mankind grew a larger brain due to their need to communicate with other humans.
Mankind was a co operating species.
that is what it took for mankind to survive the world.
Compassion is one of the emotions the brain was further wired to accomadate.
You want to pretend man is nothing but evil without god.
I don't have to pretend that to cling to ancient mans invented beliefs that he needed to explain the things he didn't understand about life....you do.
You have accepted a belief that is based on OLD outdated information.
that is your right
have at it.
DONT then think you can force the rest of us to do YOUR religions bidding.
the founders didn't like that idea and neither do I
"mankind grew a larger brain due to their need to communicate with other humans."
This is so very consistent with the rest of your posts.
It is known as Lamarckian evolution...
"A theory of biological evolution holding that species evolve by the inheritance of traits acquired or modified through the use or disuse of body parts."
Lamarckian evolution - definition of Lamarckian evolution by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
The idea was cast aside ages ago.
"Scientific studies have proved this wrong and that's why his theory is no longer accepted."
Why was Lamarck's theory of evolution not accepted
You really should have stayed in school rather than running off to join that commune....
man had morals long before he invented religion
So.....exactly how old are you?
Can a human being be good without reference to God? Sure .there could be good pagans .or bad religious folks. But God is necessary for morality to survive. Take as an example, a sadist who gets satisfaction from murdering children. If there is no God who declares that such an act is wrong, then my arguing such is simply my opinion versus that of the murderer. Without God, good and evil are a matter of taste.
why do US cons make such shitty Christians?
